Kwame's Hearing

[pffft]

Can you be a little more specific?

[Buy American]

The prosecutor in thug KK's case has a witness against him...any ideas as to who it may be?

[MrNittany]

One "positive" [[I live in Cincinnati) ....... Gilbert's playing "carpetbagger" and will be the primary owner of a Cincinnati Casino should Ohio voters pass Issue 3 [[legalizing Casino gambling at 4-predetermined statewide locations) on Tuesday.

Crappy timing for him as his name is now known alongside Kilpatrick's [[yes, Kwame is rather notorious even down here).

[xphillipjrx]

They "loaned" the money to KK because they wanted him to quickly get out of Dodge. I don't know what his salary was as mayor, but they probably figured the cash would give him 6-9 months of living expenses after the resignation. What they didn't count on was KK moving to a gated community and buying two Escalades.

Makes me wonder what kind of sales targets KK had to meet to keep making money as a Compuware salesman.

[Ravine]

Trotwood:
I will try to comply with your request. I have the Q&A recorded. For the sake of fairness, I will revisit the section where the statements were made, and return with quotes. I absolutely must be 100% non-libelous, here, so give me a day or so.

[Ravine]

I must beg to differ. This does indeed concern the city that he owes a million dollars to. This should have been declared an asset, or at least declared.

Carlita, are you listening, honey? He just declared those YOUR assets. Take the kids & run!

I understand what you're saying and, certainly, you've got a point, there.
I guess the thing I'm reacting to is the way the local TV news shows whipped out this story in their 6-times-nightly "Breaking News Alert!!" fashion, and seemed to insinuate that there was something positively diabolical about the entire matter.
For sure, it doesn't match too well with Kwame's "I can only afford to pay back Detroit at a rate of $1.37, bi-monthly," but that would be a Bone Of Contention between the city & Kwame. The fact that those guys decided to loan Kwame the money is the part over which I'm expressing a lack of concern.

[Bobl]

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More than $1M moved through Kilpatricks' bank accounts

[d.mcc]

The prosecutor in thug KK's case has a witness against him...any ideas as to who it may be?

In which case? [[Wow, how sad is it to say that?)

[Buy American]

His restitution case.

[trotwood]

Trotwood:
I will try to comply with your request. I have the Q&A recorded. For the sake of fairness, I will revisit the section where the statements were made, and return with quotes. I absolutely must be 100% non-libelous, here, so give me a day or so.

Okay Ravine.
Please,if you can,post them before Tuesday

[Ravine]

That is my intention.
Before I go to the trouble of typing out the replies-- which I painstakingly transcribed from my recording-- I'm hoping to find a link to a vid-clip of the Q&A, itself, so you can see & hear for yourself.
The interesting thing is that nobody running for anything seems willing to flat-out assert that we should be pursuing everything pursuable as re: Kilpatrick. I hate to say it-- and I do mean that I hate to say it-- but I get the feeling that he still has a lot of folks, around here, afraid of him.

[Gannon]

Yeah, that machine was built by McNamara, it was only run for a short while by the Junior Thug Wannabee from Detroit...and obviously from Bing's appointments and hirings, it is still apparently running the show here.


They are not afraid of Kwhyme, but perhaps the REST of the political power machine.


Of course, now that Bing knows he can screw up majorly and STILL get a cool quarter million golden parachute and gifts beyond measure...you just KNOW he's going to start running down that same path.

[trotwood]

No doubt KK still has a cloud of fear hanging over a lot of folks. I also think he still has many friends/cohorts down at the CAYB.

[gazhekwe]

Didn't KK provide some kind of affidavit why he could only pay a couple of dollars a month because he has all these expenses? One of the expenses he included was his rent. He said he was paying it at that time and he said how much it was. Now he doesn't know how much or who is paying? One of these two statements must not be true, and both were sworn statements.

[Ravine]

This post is a follow-up to my earlier post:

"Yeah, that's what he said, and during tonight's Q&A on WADL-TV 38, a couple of candidates removed themselves from my "maybe" list by vomiting up that wholly unacceptable "he's been punished, let's leave him alone and move on" horseshit."

I'm going to present this post in six segments. The Q&A featured six candidates for Detroit's City Council. I will summarize, in a couple of spots, but where you see quotation marks it is, indeed, a quote, and I will double, triple, and quadruple-check my work to ascertain that I have presented the remarks exactly as they were spoken. [[There was a spot where Spivey slurred over a word; I will indicate that spot within the quote.) Italics are used to indicate words which were spoken with emphasis. I will present the responses in the order in which they were spoken.

The question was:
"Should he be allowed to ride quietly off to Texas, or should the city aggressively pursue an investigation against him and collect what they're owed?

Dearing:
"Mr. Finley, I humbly request that the media would stop goin' after Mayor Kilpatrick. I believe the man has paid his fair share, uh, due to society, and I believe that should be a private matter for him and his family to deal with."

Jones:
Councilwoman Jones referred, briefly, to the fact that she had served on the council during the period in which all of this scandal had erupted, and concluded by saying:
"...I'm ready to move on; the city has a lot of problems that we need to deal with, and so I'm ready to move on."

Johnson:
"Y'know, the media has never been favorable to successful young black men. Whatever mistakes they have made, whatever poor decisions they have incur, whatever failed difficulty factors and things they could have done better, that's somethin' that he have to deal with with his God. I think that once he paid his dues, and paid his time, and done his time, I think that we should let him alone. For surely, be careful how you judge, because you too will be judged with the same measure."

Watson:
Councilwoman Watson did not give a direct answer to the question. She first stated that she, alone, voted against the settlement, and followed that statement with a somewhat rambling commentary in which she stated that she thought the city should be moving in an effort to get that money back; she included some pointed remarks toward the Free Press and Mike Stefani.

Cross:
"If the City of Detroit, and the media would press them to do so, to go after the substantial amount of monies that are owed to the City of Detroit, back taxes, unpaid fees, all across the board, we could probably settle our budget deficit right now if we had a plan to go after that. What's more important, that we go after that million dollars which is only a fraction of what's owed, or do we put a full-time effort into collecting money that's owed to the City of Detroit? And the media need to be pressing that, that's far more important than goin' after former mayor Kilpatrick."

Spivey:
"Brother Johnson made it very [[sounded like: 'pointedly') clear, uh, former mayor Kilpatrick did his time for the crime he committed. I wanna be elected a City Councilperson. Kym Worthy is the Wayne County Prosecutor. I'll let her do her job; on Tuesday, let me begin my job."

[Ravine]

I was annoyed, even further, by hearing stuff like Councilwoman Brenda Jones using the ear-bruising term, "has took," and Raphael Johnson-- who, of course, could not make it through this session without the standard token invocation of "the honorable Elijah Muhammad"-- making the absurd & ignorant statement, "most of us didn't have mothers or fathers in our home."

I'll tellya what, though: If you're not willing to vote for anyone who doesn't answer the second half of that Kwame-Kwestion, above, with an emphatic, unconditional "yes," you probably will not be able to use all nine of the votes to which you are entitled.

David Cross & Andre Spivey seemed like worthy candidates. The other four didn't even do a good job of presenting themselves [[unless I give Dearing bonus points for his overstatedly zealous self-promotion.) Much less, did they seem like people who should be allowed to represent, or continue to represent, the citizens of this city.

Although, in a disturbing, and nauseating, sort of way, maybe they already really do represent a lot of those citizens.

Think of it as the "Monica Conyers Effect & Affect."

[BillyBBrew]

Thank you Ravine. Watching video and audio streams is sometimes difficult for me and I appreciate you taking the time to put it in writing for us. I was glad to see than none of my "for sure" candidates were up there, only one of my "maybe's" that in the last few weeks has turned to a "no" anyhow. People who are voting, please remember, you do NOT have to vote for 9 candidates so only vote for those you are confident of, even if it is less than 9.

[Zacha341]

The "leave him alone" stuff is standard "justification" martyr-making rhetoric from those who just don't get it. He agreed to a plea deal which set forth an agreed upon amount of financial restitution in lieu of jail time ala probation. Why is this so complicated to understand!? When he says he can ONLY pay $6.00 of the agreed upon amount, he is just being arrogant and above the law. His "high profile" life style makes the $6.00 amount seem even less reasonable than if he were living more modestly.

Yeah, that's what he said, and during tonight's Q&A on WADL-TV 38, a couple of candidates removed themselves from my "maybe" list by vomiting up that wholly unacceptable "he's been punished, let's leave him alone and move on" horseshit.

[Retroit]

Excellent transcription and commentary, Ravine!

It angers me when I hear people say that a criminal has "paid back society" just because they've served time in jail. I say: a person has not paid back society until they have reimbursed the taxpayers for all the costs associated with their capture, trial and incarceration and paid back all that they stole [[or in Kwame's case, all the money that had to be paid out because he wrongly terminated the police officers).

[Zacha341]

$1.37 bi monthy? Is he saying he can't afford that either? This is starting so seem surreal...

I understand what you're saying and, certainly, you've got a point, there.
I guess the thing I'm reacting to is the way the local TV news shows whipped out this story in their 6-times-nightly "Breaking News Alert!!" fashion, and seemed to insinuate that there was something positively diabolical about the entire matter.
For sure, it doesn't match too well with Kwame's "I can only afford to pay back Detroit at a rate of $1.37, bi-monthly," but that would be a Bone Of Contention between the city & Kwame. The fact that those guys decided to loan Kwame the money is the part over which I'm expressing a lack of concern.

[Zacha341]

Yikes! Then we will not even get the $6.00 a month.... would Kar want to do that to the D?

I doubt that thug Kwamster has anything on Roger Penske or any of the others.But now is the time for Mr.Karmanos to step up and stand behind his statement that KK joins the ranks of the unemployed if there was any more trouble from him.

[Zacha341]

"What they didn't count on was KK moving to a gated community and buying two Escalades."

Interesting point. Yes, KK's ego and lack of remorse [[he still feels he was mistreated and railroaded) prevents him from living a modest lifestyle. Thus, he is still living like he is making looonnnng money. Hah! And all money runs out, eventually. Well, he is a consistent in his thinking.... but in "reality" he cannot control and run things as he did with the city... in any event we who remain here are left to ourselves to ponder how things got to this point.......

They "loaned" the money to KK because they wanted him to quickly get out of Dodge. I don't know what his salary was as mayor, but they probably figured the cash would give him 6-9 months of living expenses after the resignation. What they didn't count on was KK moving to a gated community and buying two Escalades.

Makes me wonder what kind of sales targets KK had to meet to keep making money as a Compuware salesman.

[Zacha341]

Yeah but he's a long way from home and they "don't get down like that" in Dallas... and he cannot bully that situation beyond his gated community, office, some stores where he shops and some other misc. peeps that may be "smiling" in his face.... more I am sure are not smiling too much, bowing or genuflecting when he enters a room.

No doubt KK still has a cloud of fear hanging over a lot of folks. I also think he still has many friends/cohorts down at the CAYB.

[Zacha341]

Spivey has his own problems and perhaps some of his constituents [[the peeps) from the club he part owns [[Berts) may also think KK is getting a raw deal... not surprisingly.

This post is a follow-up to my earlier post:

"Yeah, that's what he said, and during tonight's Q&A on WADL-TV 38, a couple of candidates removed themselves from my "maybe" list by vomiting up that wholly unacceptable "he's been punished, let's leave him alone and move on" horseshit."

I'm going to present this post in six segments. The Q&A featured six candidates for Detroit's City Council. I will summarize, in a couple of spots, but where you see quotation marks it is, indeed, a quote, and I will double, triple, and quadruple-check my work to ascertain that I have presented the remarks exactly as they were spoken. [[There was a spot where Spivey slurred over a word; I will indicate that spot within the quote.) Italics are used to indicate words which were spoken with emphasis. I will present the responses in the order in which they were spoken.

The question was:
"Should he be allowed to ride quietly off to Texas, or should the city aggressively pursue an investigation against him and collect what they're owed?

Dearing:
"Mr. Finley, I humbly request that the media would stop goin' after Mayor Kilpatrick. I believe the man has paid his fair share, uh, due to society, and I believe that should be a private matter for him and his family to deal with."

Jones:
Councilwoman Jones referred, briefly, to the fact that she had served on the council during the period in which all of this scandal had erupted, and concluded by saying:
"...I'm ready to move on; the city has a lot of problems that we need to deal with, and so I'm ready to move on."

Johnson:
"Y'know, the media has never been favorable to successful young black men. Whatever mistakes they have made, whatever poor decisions they have incur, whatever failed difficulty factors and things they could have done better, that's somethin' that he have to deal with with his God. I think that once he paid his dues, and paid his time, and done his time, I think that we should let him alone. For surely, be careful how you judge, because you too will be judged with the same measure."

Watson:
Councilwoman Watson did not give a direct answer to the question. She first stated that she, alone, voted against the settlement, and followed that statement with a somewhat rambling commentary in which she stated that she thought the city should be moving in an effort to get that money back; she included some pointed remarks toward the Free Press and Mike Stefani.

Cross:
"If the City of Detroit, and the media would press them to do so, to go after the substantial amount of monies that are owed to the City of Detroit, back taxes, unpaid fees, all across the board, we could probably settle our budget deficit right now if we had a plan to go after that. What's more important, that we go after that million dollars which is only a fraction of what's owed, or do we put a full-time effort into collecting money that's owed to the City of Detroit? And the media need to be pressing that, that's far more important than goin' after former mayor Kilpatrick."

Spivey:
"Brother Johnson made it very [[sounded like: 'pointedly') clear, uh, former mayor Kilpatrick did his time for the crime he committed. I wanna be elected a City Councilperson. Kym Worthy is the Wayne County Prosecutor. I'll let her do her job; on Tuesday, let me begin my job."

[trotwood]

I was annoyed, even further, by hearing stuff like Councilwoman Brenda Jones using the ear-bruising term, "has took," and Raphael Johnson-- who, of course, could not make it through this session without the standard token invocation of "the honorable Elijah Muhammad"-- making the absurd & ignorant statement, "most of us didn't have mothers or fathers in our home."

I'll tellya what, though: If you're not willing to vote for anyone who doesn't answer the second half of that Kwame-Kwestion, above, with an emphatic, unconditional "yes," you probably will not be able to use all nine of the votes to which you are entitled.

David Cross & Andre Spivey seemed like worthy candidates. The other four didn't even do a good job of presenting themselves [[unless I give Dearing bonus points for his overstatedly zealous self-promotion.) Much less, did they seem like people who should be allowed to represent, or continue to represent, the citizens of this city.

Although, in a disturbing, and nauseating, sort of way, maybe they already really do represent a lot of those citizens.

Think of it as the "Monica Conyers Effect & Affect."

Thanks Ravine!
I almost could've guessed all who said what they said about KK. The only person I'm surprised about is Mrs.Watson. I watch the council sessions quite often. Watson's favorite song to sing is "they owe the city of Detroit that money". She seemed not to care who had[[in her view)'robbed' Detroit of it's funds. If she thinks it's been taken she's the first to sound the battle cry to recover the money.She's pounded her fists on the council table for months about going to get the money the state owes the city. I wonder why in the world she wouldn't think KK should pay the city back too?
Well thanks again!