Suburban Crimes

DetroitDad · October-14-09, 11:37 PM

Originally Posted by Stosh

Downtown is the Green Zone. Think analogous to Baghdad. That's just insane to compare any of that to Downtown. Highland Park is not a suburb, by your definition. And Inkster's crime rate in comparison to what? The Green Zone?
Inkster wins, 5246.9 to 9467.

Here's Inkster's crime rate:

http://inkster.areaconnect.com/crime1.htm

And Detroit's
http://detroit.areaconnect.com/crime1.htm

Young Stosh, so preoccupied with being right 100% of the time. You end up being wrong 100% of the time, though for different reasons.

I like you Stosh, but you have as much to overcome as a young Sean_of_Detroit.

Stosh · October-14-09, 11:42 PM

Originally Posted by DetroitDad

Young Stosh, so preoccupied with being right 100% of the time. You end up being wrong 100% of the time, though for different reasons.

I like you Stosh, but you have as much to overcome as a young Sean_of_Detroit.

Statistics don't lie. Seems as if you can't see the forest for the trees.
Comparing me to Sean_of_Detroit? You should talk.

DetroitDad · October-15-09, 12:22 AM

More importantly, I think it's interesting that our suburbanites have to compare themselves to Detroit [[including posting a news article in this thread) in order to gauge how bad they aren't. You would think they/we would be comparing ourselves to the best, and trying to figure out why we are all so far from the top, with no man, woman, or child left behind [[divided we fall).

**reddog289** · October-15-09, 12:52 AM

If anything thanks Stosh for the link to that stats site.I myself agree with the fact that Inkster has areas with above averages of crime, Yet that does not deter me from living next to it. Alot of suburban type crime I recall are cases of of bizzare killings. Things as the husband who killed his wife and put her in the freezer, or the beheading death commited by those teens from Westland.
A reason the oldest girl and her husbands remainder of their stuff is in my basement, Is due to suburban crime. Their storage area was broken into in their apt. The lock wasn't harmed Yet they cut through the fencing.
My suburb comes up red as compared to her green. This is a major problem facing this whole area. Things are not as green out in the burbs as some would have you to belive.

**iheartthed** · October-15-09, 07:23 AM

Originally Posted by Stosh

Please name a bad neighborhood in a suburb of Detroit, with statistics showing a greater crime rate. And Pontiac is not a suburb of Detroit. You can just as easily plot crime by zip code.

I'm not sure of the exact stats, but I am sure that crime in places like Royal Oak Twp, River Rouge, Ecorse, etc. are on par with some of Detroit's rougher neighborhoods.

But I think the point that DetroitDad is trying to make is that whenever a crime occurs on any square foot of Detroit's 139 square miles, it is then attributed to all 139 square miles... Which is silly at best. Yet, it's what people in that area have been doing for decades. You are as likely to be caught up in a gang shoot out while standing in Sherwood Forest in Detroit as you are while standing in a Farmington Hills subdivision.

This way of describing crime in the city is the only way I can rationalize why Detroit has a perception of being "more dangerous" than other cities with similar crime issues -- other major cities tend to describe their cities in more microscopic terms than does the Detroit area. I guess it's a legacy from the days when suburban politicians were voted into office based on which could portray the city in the most unflattering light.

**MizMotown** · October-15-09, 07:55 AM

For those that think this thread is pointless all the power to you. It's not at all about building up Detroit. It's balancing the fact that crime happens everywhere. Detroit happens to have alot of it's crime in the streets. How many crimes are committed in the burbs that are behind closed doors and offices????

**MizMotown** · October-15-09, 07:58 AM

Here's a better question to all of those who have the answers to everything. WHY is crime so high in Detroit. WHY? and I hope it's not because 'black' people live there! That seems to be some of the mentality of some posters!

**MizMotown** · October-15-09, 08:03 AM

I posted this under suburban crimes, but maybe it's time to figure this all out. Let's get to the root of the problem.

anybody? anybody?

**detmsp** · October-15-09, 08:33 AM

like most of society's ills, you can trace most of it to education. If kids in Detroit were all getting good educations and staying in school they'd be occupied most of the day and not causing trouble. And after they graduate they'd have the tools to get a decent job, which would mean they'd have enough money where they wouldn't need to resort to crime to get by. And if their parents had also had received a good education and landed a decent job, they might even have the resources to go to college.

Stosh · October-15-09, 08:35 AM

But I think the point that DetroitDad is trying to make is that whenever a crime occurs on any square foot of Detroit's 139 square miles, it is then attributed to all 139 square miles... Which is silly at best. Yet, it's what people in that area have been doing for decades. You are as likely to be caught up in a gang shoot out while standing in Sherwood Forest in Detroit as you are while standing in a Farmington Hills subdivision.

They have their own security service which they pay for. And they also report suspicious activity. Among other things. Anyone knows that there's pockets of decent neighborhoods here and there, problem is, they are becoming threatened as well. I agree about the gang shootout theory. Not likely there. But that's not the issue.

You can't throw the rest of Detroit under the bus and expect the perception to change. Concentrating efforts in Downtown [[AKA the Green Zone) and where council members live is counterproductive to the safety of the rest of Detroit. Ask if someone living by Dexter, or Chene feels that warm fuzzy feeling of safety as these "nice" neighborhoods do. Until everyone is safe, no one is.

ziggyselbin · October-15-09, 10:14 AM

No matter how any of you try you will not be able to mitigate or rationalize the crime problem in Detroit. There is absolutely no comparing crime anywhere in Michigan to that of Detroit. Crime is far, far worse in Detroit than anywhere else in the state.There is no arguing the point. The manifistaions are and continue to be loss of businesses[[ some 15,000) and a continuing exodus from the city.

I would be delighted if law enforcement in Detroit went after suburban criminals in the city_ The suburban cops sure aint afraid to go after Detroit criminals.

But as for the crime, it is far worse in Detroit and the evidence easily shows that.

**iheartthed** · October-15-09, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by Stosh

They have their own security service which they pay for. And they also report suspicious activity. Among other things. Anyone knows that there's pockets of decent neighborhoods here and there, problem is, they are becoming threatened as well. I agree about the gang shootout theory. Not likely there. But that's not the issue.

You can't throw the rest of Detroit under the bus and expect the perception to change. Concentrating efforts in Downtown [[AKA the Green Zone) and where council members live is counterproductive to the safety of the rest of Detroit. Ask if someone living by Dexter, or Chene feels that warm fuzzy feeling of safety as these "nice" neighborhoods do. Until everyone is safe, no one is.

I never said throw the rest of Detroit under the bus. What I did say is that it's silly to refer to the entire city as if it is a single, unvarying monolithic entity.

Let's say you are the chief of police and your objective was to reduce the violent crime rate in the city of Detroit. You wouldn't put an equal amount of crime fighting resources into Sherwood Forest as you would Linwood and Davison just because they are within the same city. So why do you characterize the entire city as if a person living in Sherwood Forest would have the same quality of life experience as someone living near Linwood and Davison?

**artds** · October-15-09, 10:40 AM

All this suburban 'crime' and people still feel 100x safer in the suburbs than in Detroit.

It must just be their perception. Yes, that's it.

crawford · October-15-09, 11:21 AM

Farmington Hills is MUCH safer than Sherwood Forest. No comparison whatsoever. They have fairly regular stickups, home invasions, violent assults and other felonies in that part of NW Detroit. Yes, it's safer than the ghetto, but Sherwood Forest is much more dangerous than average suburbs.

You can look it up on the Detroit crime map website.

But what would most worry me about living in Sherwood Forest is not the crime rate. It's the police response, or lack thereof.

If something happens to you in Farmington Hills, the police will be there within a few minutes, and will investigate your case.

If something happens to you in Sherwood Forest, you are likely to receive no police response, or one that is delayed by perhaps hours. And there will be no investigation unless we're talking major newsworthy homicide or something similarly horrific.

Stosh · October-15-09, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by iheartthed

I never said throw the rest of Detroit under the bus. What I did say is that it's silly to refer to the entire city as if it is a single, unvarying monolithic entity.

Let's say you are the chief of police and your objective was to reduce the violent crime rate in the city of Detroit. You wouldn't put an equal amount of crime fighting resources into Sherwood Forest as you would Linwood and Davison just because they are within the same city. So why do you characterize the entire city as if a person living in Sherwood Forest would have the same quality of life experience as someone living near Linwood and Davison?

Well we all know that it's not a monolithic entity. I never said that. But the resources of the COD DPD are not allocated equally. Significant resources are expended to keep Downtown safe. Resources are pulled off the neighborhood streets to direct traffic at events, among a larger police presence there. Is that an equal allotment of resources? No.

You know that there's neighborhoods that rarely see a patrol car. Yet you can't turn around and not bump into one downtown.

**milesdriven** · October-15-09, 11:30 AM

I take crime stats with a grain of salt in Detroit because most people don't report small crimes because they know they are just wasting their time.

**iheartthed** · October-15-09, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by Stosh

Well we all know that it's not a monolithic entity. I never said that. But the resources of the COD DPD are not allocated equally. Significant resources are expended to keep Downtown safe. Resources are pulled off the neighborhood streets to direct traffic at events, among a larger police presence there. Is that an equal allotment of resources? No.

You know that there's neighborhoods that rarely see a patrol car. Yet you can't turn around and not bump into one downtown.

You know it's not a monolithic entity, but you don't speak that way. That's why people from Forbes and Time magazine keep writing these stupid articles painting the city as a bombed out, uninhabitable hell hole. Because you all who live in and around Detroit keep using this type of language, and outsiders don't understand the nuances of the situation enough to translate it.

**MizMotown** · October-15-09, 11:42 AM

But as for the crime, it is far worse in Detroit and the evidence easily shows that.

I dont' think anybody's arguing that? lol

Stosh · October-15-09, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by iheartthed

You know it's not a monolithic entity, but you don't speak that way. That's why people from Forbes and Time magazine keep writing these stupid articles painting the city as a bombed out, uninhabitable hell hole. Because you all who live in and around Detroit keep using this type of language, and outsiders don't understand the nuances of the situation enough to translate it.

Look. Crime statistics don't get cut into neighborhoods. I think that, overall, Detroit's got pockets of niceness. Downtown, Woodbridge, EEV and PalmerWoods / Sherwood Forest among others comes to mind. Take those neighborhoods and add up the square miles. Then subtract from what the total area is. Then tell me how this is not a problem. Outsiders don't play into it. People that live here and work here see this every single day.

They are reporting what is there. Tell them to go report the nice stuff. show them what to look at. Nicely kept areas seem to have drug problems too, from what I've seen on the street. Lots of people hanging into stopped cars. What's up with that?

**Kevgoblue** · October-15-09, 12:11 PM

The original article was referencing drug trafficing.

Detroit has plenty of crime of its own, but much of it is imported. Where do major quantities of drugs come from? Not the city. Where do the people who import major quantities of drugs reside? Not in the city. Where do lots of people who purchase these drugs reside? Not in the city.
Detroit is a "safe zone" for many suburban residents to engage in their desired form of entertainment. Whether that be the casinos, ballparks, all nite raves, strip clubs or drug usage.

Stosh · October-15-09, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by Kevgoblue

The original article was referencing drug trafficing.

Detroit has plenty of crime of its own, but much of it is imported. Where do major quantities of drugs come from? Not the city. Where do the people who import major quantities of drugs reside? Not in the city. Where do lots of people who purchase these drugs reside? Not in the city.
Detroit is a "safe zone" for many suburban residents to engage in their desired form of entertainment. Whether that be the casinos, ballparks, all nite raves, strip clubs or drug usage.

Yeppers. so shut it down. Drive them back to where they came from. Then the suburbs will arrest their asses. Not like in Detroit, where it's an acceptable activity. And yes, the major drug traffic players live in the suburbs NOW. They aren't stupid. Which is why they are where they are. The ones that sell on the street and the residents of the neighborhoods that play "don't snitch" are the ones that are the dumb ones.

**iheartthed** · October-15-09, 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by Stosh

Look. Crime statistics don't get cut into neighborhoods. I think that, overall, Detroit's got pockets of niceness. Downtown, Woodbridge, EEV and PalmerWoods / Sherwood Forest among others comes to mind. Take those neighborhoods and add up the square miles. Then subtract from what the total area is. Then tell me how this is not a problem. Outsiders don't play into it. People that live here and work here see this every single day.

They are reporting what is there. Tell them to go report the nice stuff. show them what to look at. Nicely kept areas seem to have drug problems too, from what I've seen on the street. Lots of people hanging into stopped cars. What's up with that?

I am challenging the way you use the name "Detroit". That was the purpose of the o/p starting this thread about "suburban crimes". This has nothing to do with whether there actually is crime in Detroit. We know that there is crime in Detroit. There have been major crime rings in Detroit for at least a century. We know that.

What good does it do to paint the entire city with a broad brush about crime statistics that don't reflect the situation of the entire city? Is it just to allow you to be intellectually lazy when discussing the city? Is it so that your jokes transition to the punchline more easily? What is it? What is your purpose?

There is crime in Detroit. We know that because there is crime in Brightmoor, and Brightmoor is in Detroit. There is crime in Wayne County. We know that because there is crime in Detroit and Detroit is in Wayne County. There is crime in Michigan. We know that because there is crime in Wayne County which is in Michigan.

If I were to start saying that there is crime in Michigan, you all would jump down my throat about how crime the crime is mainly in Detroit.

Stosh · October-15-09, 12:55 PM

One might ask what your purpose is as well. Defending a failed system does you no good. Of course there's crime in the suburbs. There's crime everywhere. But the bottom line is, who is taking steps to combat this?

**iheartthed** · October-15-09, 01:03 PM

Originally Posted by Stosh

One might ask what your purpose is as well. Defending a failed system does you no good. Of course there's crime in the suburbs. There's crime everywhere. But the bottom line is, who is taking steps to combat this?

My point is here: .

This is you down here: O+<

Nobody is defending a failed system. Nobody is denying that there is crime in Detroit. Nobody is denying that the Detroit Public School system is screwed up. Nobody is denying that taxes in Detroit are higher than they are in the suburbs. Nobody is denying that.

Stosh · October-15-09, 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by iheartthed

My point is here: .

This is you down here: O+<

Nobody is defending a failed system. Nobody is denying that there is crime in Detroit. Nobody is denying that the Detroit Public School system is screwed up. Nobody is denying that taxes in Detroit are higher than they are in the suburbs. Nobody is denying that.

I find it funny that someone that claims to have a point is by far and away posting the most pointless logic imaginable.

I found this quote:

#21 October 12th, 2009, 10:11 PM
iheartthed Join Date: Mar 2009
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I, for one, left the Detroit area after graduating from Michigan and I had a blast! Unfortunately, the longer I stay away from there, the more I doubt that I'll ever return. But leaving isn't for everyone, so if your heart is in Detroit then stay.
When I'm speaking to someone who is debating whether to stay or leave, I remind the person that if they leave and don't like it then they can always go back. My advice to you is the opposite: you can always leave if you end up no longer liking Detroit.
My heart is with Detroit. But after living elsewhere I have gotten accustomed to a lifestyle that I probably won't be able to live in Detroit while I'm still young.

It's always nice to get my advice from someone that doesn't live here. At least the Time folks are living here.