Lochmoor Used Cars on Mack

**dc313** · October-12-09, 02:30 PM

Has closed its doors for good. They tried to make it work after losing there Chrysler/Jeep franchise by selling Vespa scooters and used cars without any luck. Rumor on the street is that a developer has bought the property and they plan on putting up a McDonalds, again just a rumor, but it would be a good spot for a fastfood resturant. I'll never understand why Chrysler didn't close Meade Dodge instead, there new car numbers are very poor compared to Lochmoor.

**EMG** · October-12-09, 02:56 PM

GOOD. They got what they deserved. They screwed me over many, many times, so they don't get one bit of sympathy from me. [[And as far as I'm concerned "Pointe" Dodge, which I assume has now been renamed Meade, wasn't any better).

Lochmoor and Pointe have a great deal to do with the fact that I now own a Honda.

**Detroitej72** · October-12-09, 07:11 PM

Originally Posted by EMG

GOOD. They got what they deserved. They screwed me over many, many times, so they don't get one bit of sympathy from me. [[And as far as I'm concerned "Pointe" Dodge, which I assume has now been renamed Meade, wasn't any better).

Lochmoor and Pointe have a great deal to do with the fact that I now own a Honda.

So, let me review this. You hate Detroit and Michigan, happily live in the Southwest because its more "Republican friendly", and drive foreign cars. I bet your quite the life of the party.

BTW, I had nothing but good luck buying cars from both Pointe Dodge and Lochmoor Chrysler, maybe your attitude played a part in how you were treated?

**Roq** · October-12-09, 07:18 PM

Originally Posted by Detroitej72

So, let me review this. You hate Detroit and Michigan, happily live in the Southwest because its more "Republican friendly", and drive foreign cars. I bet your quite the life of the party.

Can you imagine this..."guy"* at a party? Oy vey!

*guy being a euphemism for a well known hygiene product.

**1KielsonDrive** · October-13-09, 12:14 AM

Originally Posted by Roq

Can you imagine this..."guy"* at a party? Oy vey!

*guy being a euphemism for a well known hygiene product.

I'll second that oy vey!

**stonechipped** · October-20-09, 07:10 AM

Originally Posted by EMG

GOOD. They got what they deserved. They screwed me over many, many times, so they don't get one bit of sympathy from me. [[And as far as I'm concerned "Pointe" Dodge, which I assume has now been renamed Meade, wasn't any better).

Lochmoor and Pointe have a great deal to do with the fact that I now own a Honda.

Yep me too after all the pain and suffering owning "American Cars" we are now the proud owner of a 2009 Honda Accord Coupe. Not to happy with our lady that sold it to us from Jeffrey Honda though...still bought it there because of their service department reputation.

**1KielsonDrive** · October-12-09, 07:05 PM

Is this the domestic vs foreign car debate, starting all over again? I can feel and relate to your anger, EMG.

**313WX** · October-12-09, 08:48 PM

Al Long on 8 Mile and Schoenherr will likely be the next to go.

Once these dealers lose their big names, they're pretty much worthless anyway.

**EastsideAl** · October-12-09, 11:02 PM

Lochmoor were real jerks to me, and they "wall-jobbed" my dad's car more than once. I agree... can't really be sorry they're gone.

**stonechipped** · October-20-09, 07:20 AM

what is a wall job?

**EastsideAl** · October-20-09, 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by stonechipped

what is a wall job?

Where they park your car against a wall somewhere, tell you they've done the maintenance work you asked for, charge you for it, and give you the car back without having done a damn thing.

**EMG** · October-22-09, 06:58 AM

Originally Posted by EastsideAl

Where they park your car against a wall somewhere, tell you they've done the maintenance work you asked for, charge you for it, and give you the car back without having done a damn thing.

Ah! So there's a name for it! How well I could relate to that!

**Meddle** · October-12-09, 11:57 PM

Weren't those Chrysler/Plymouth and Dodge dealerships owned by the same people?

I went over there one day way long back ago to check on a used car they had in the paper. Whenever I asked for a price, all they quoted me was the monthly payments. I repeatedly asked for a FULL price and even told them I wanted a cash price, not payments. They flat out refused to even discuss it. It was clear to me at that point that they were selling finance packages and not cars.

I never went back.

**dc313** · October-13-09, 07:05 AM

Originally Posted by Meddle

Weren't those Chrysler/Plymouth and Dodge dealerships owned by the same people?

I went over there one day way long back ago to check on a used car they had in the paper. Whenever I asked for a price, all they quoted me was the monthly payments. I repeatedly asked for a FULL price and even told them I wanted a cash price, not payments. They flat out refused to even discuss it. It was clear to me at that point that they were selling finance packages and not cars.

I never went back.

Different owners. All Meade ever wanted to do was sell financing. The other dealers on Mack never considered them competition because of there poor bussiness practices. The people that they put into cars couldn't get financed thru normal channels. They didn't have many options.

**stonechipped** · October-20-09, 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by Meddle

Weren't those Chrysler/Plymouth and Dodge dealerships owned by the same people?

I went over there one day way long back ago to check on a used car they had in the paper. Whenever I asked for a price, all they quoted me was the monthly payments. I repeatedly asked for a FULL price and even told them I wanted a cash price, not payments. They flat out refused to even discuss it. It was clear to me at that point that they were selling finance packages and not cars.

I never went back.

The two dealerships were owned by two different people

**1KielsonDrive** · October-13-09, 12:23 AM

My father bought a Plymouth Volare from Thompson Chrysler Plymouth in Southgate in the mid 70's. I believe the Volare was one of the all-time worst cars ever built by anyone. This car was so bad it came home for a couple of days at a time, then went back for weeks at a time. My father raised so much heck with them they gave us a semi-permanent loaner. We just kept the loaner and would call back every few months. At one point they lost my father's car for weeks. It was fine with us. I think it took a year or more to resolve that they were keeping the Volare and we were keeping the loaner or something similar. .

**reddog289** · October-13-09, 12:35 AM

While using Google Map to look at the area where the fires happened the other night, I saw Lochmoor and Meade{Pointe}Dodge for the first time. I often wonder myself how former dealers like that would make it by only selling used cars and offering service. Guess I know now.

**stonechipped** · October-20-09, 06:03 AM

Originally Posted by 1KielsonDrive

My father bought a Plymouth Volare from Thompson Chrysler Plymouth in Southgate in the mid 70's. I believe the Volare was one of the all-time worst cars ever built by anyone. This car was so bad it came home for a couple of days at a time, then went back for weeks at a time. My father raised so much heck with them they gave us a semi-permanent loaner. We just kept the loaner and would call back every few months. At one point they lost my father's car for weeks. It was fine with us. I think it took a year or more to resolve that they were keeping the Volare and we were keeping the loaner or something similar. .

I sold Volares in 1977 they were so bad we had to move them around a bush to hide the bad side at Lochmoor

**luckycar** · October-13-09, 05:48 AM

Many of these dealers that have had to switch to used cars and service are closing.There are new vehicles,service and warranty work,used cars retail,used cars wholesale,bump and paint that all were bringing in income to a new car store.That's alot of overhead.Take away two or three of these and the money can only out for so long before the owner shuts it down.Most of them made out very well in the 90s-00s,only feel for the laid off workers and their families.

**1KielsonDrive** · October-13-09, 12:30 PM

Regardless of how you may feel about dealerships, domestic vs foreign autos, etc, the downside is the jobs lost to the employees of the closed businesses. We're nowhere near the end of this depression. We can only hope that alternative businesses open and thrive and can provide employment to those who've lost their jobs to the meltdown of the auto industry.

**Diehard** · October-13-09, 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by 1KielsonDrive

Regardless of how you may feel about dealerships, domestic vs foreign autos, etc, the downside is the jobs lost to the employees of the closed businesses. We're nowhere near the end of this depression. We can only hope that alternative businesses open and thrive and can provide employment to those who've lost their jobs to the meltdown of the auto industry.

Yeah, I can't believe people are actually cheering when a business fails. Another empty lot is nothing to celebrate.

**EMG** · October-13-09, 02:41 PM

If and when the lot is someday occupied by a new business which provides a quality product as well as treating its service customers with respect, it will earn repeat business and thrive. THAT will be something to celebrate.

Places that provide the sort of treatment received by me and a few others above DESERVE to go out of business - that is what "free enterprise" is all about.

What is REALLY going to put this country in danger [[and truly is ALREADY contributing to its downfall) is this ongoing liberal entitlement attitude that just because someone fails, others should feel obligated to bail them out "just because."

crawford · October-13-09, 11:13 PM

Originally Posted by EMG

What is REALLY going to put this country in danger [[and truly is ALREADY contributing to its downfall) is this ongoing liberal entitlement attitude that just because someone fails, others should feel obligated to bail them out "just because."

Agreed 100%.

And I'm sure you also agree that your net recipient state of Arizona owes net donor states like Michigan many billions, and will happily pay higher taxes to make up for this Socialist inequity, right?

You also agree to go without water in AZ, since you're stealing it from Colorado and Mexico, right?

And you agree that the housing implosion that has devastated your state much worse than anywhere else in the country is purely Arizonans fault, and you will not accept any further federal mortgage deductions, tax credits, or other housing industry supports?

One you agree to all these terms, I think we can take you halfway seriously. Until then, you're a bad joke howling from the parched desert moonscape.

**Gistok** · October-20-09, 11:16 AM

Originally Posted by crawford

Agreed 100%.

And I'm sure you also agree that your net recipient state of Arizona owes net donor states like Michigan many billions, and will happily pay higher taxes to make up for this Socialist inequity, right?

You also agree to go without water in AZ, since you're stealing it from Colorado and Mexico, right?

And you agree that the housing implosion that has devastated your state much worse than anywhere else in the country is purely Arizonans fault, and you will not accept any further federal mortgage deductions, tax credits, or other housing industry supports?

One you agree to all these terms, I think we can take you halfway seriously. Until then, you're a bad joke howling from the parched desert moonscape.

No Crawford... you've got it all wrong!!! We've still got the 3rd richest county in the country [[Oakland)... REMEMBER???

So we don't need Arizona's money.... but I'm not sure what some discussion about water rights in the southwest has anything remotely to do with this thread...

**EastsideAl** · October-20-09, 02:11 PM

Originally Posted by EMG

What is REALLY going to put this country in danger [[and truly is ALREADY contributing to its downfall) is this ongoing liberal entitlement attitude that just because someone fails, others should feel obligated to bail them out "just because."

I know I should just let this go, especially because it's not really Detroit related or related to the main topic of this thread, but I'm always thrown for a loop when I see this kind of statement. How is giving away money to corporations and failing big businesses a "liberal" entitlement scheme? Last I looked, the Republicans were the main pushers behind corporate welfare of all sorts. We just came out of an administration that spent 8 years increasing the federal deficit to record levels, with much of that spending going to favored businesses. Indeed, the big multi-jillion dollar bailout of failing Wall St. firms was begun under the Bush administration, and was done to save companies that had gorged themselves after being highly favored and enabled by the Republican administration.

It's not that I disagree with you about giving away the money, its that I think you've falsely ascribed who it is that's primarily responsible for doing the giving.