Detroit: One of America’s Climate Boomtowns?

[Henry Whalley]

America’s Climate Boomtowns Are Waiting
Rising temperatures could push millions of people north.
By Abrahm Lustgarten

America’s Climate Boomtowns Are Waiting - The Atlantic

[Jimaz]

My destination was the working-class city of Ypsilanti,...

"working class"? Ypsilanti? Does that seem odd or is it just me? Okay, they're not Ann Arbor but still.

I've heard there is a surprisingly large proportion of Floridians who have close ties to SE Michigan. I imagine when sea level rises, erasing their coastline, their future immigration will be a major portion of the overall population shift.

[401don]

Glad I won't be around when it happens. The economy will be a bigger disaster than the climate.

[One Shot]

Nobody in their right mind would come here.

[313WX]

Don't hold your breath hoping for Climate Change to revive the Detroit area.

Even if there was a mass migration back to the Midwest / Great Lakes region, there are so many other desirable places with far less baggage than SE Michigan for people to consider.

There are good reasons why the folks someone mentioned earlier in places like Florida are now ex-pats, and I'm willing to bet rising temps alone won't fix the fundamental issues with the region that drove them to become ex-pats in the first place.

[Jimaz]

I must have got off on the wrong floor. I was looking for DetroitYES!

[Henry Whalley]

I must have got off on the wrong floor. I was looking for DetroitYES!

You may not be in your right mind.

[Canadian Visitor]

I don't think Climate alone will drive Detroit's or the 'rust belt's fortunes, though in due course, if things go as they seem likely to, they surely will be a contributing factor, but that may not begin in earnest for several years yet, or even a decade or more, and will likely begin as a slow process, picking up after key disasters, droughts or killer heatwaves. This is not something that will be material between now and 2030.

With that said, I do think those above with an extremely negative outlook on Detroit's future are wrong.

Go back in time for a moment and look at New York City circa 1985. Crime was much higher than today, subways covered in grafitti, 'Hell's Kitchen' strewn w/porn cinemas and peep galleries and open drug dealing.

Today, crime is down substantially, grafitti has been reduced 95% and Hell's Kitchen is now considered a family-friendly tourist area. It wasn't a miracle, it was a few investments, private and public and changed the narrative, with it, NYC's image and fortunes.

In Detroit, the single biggest symbol to outsiders, of the City's struggles was Michigan Central Depot. Restoration there is well underway, and is a narrative changer. So is Gordie Howe bridge, so is the current Mayor, so some new signature waterfront parks. Yes, the City and State still face many struggles. But regional cooperation on transit, among other things seems to have turned a corner; the overall economy is solid and Windsor, across the border is booming. A boom that given an interdependent supply chain for automotive and other manufacturing on both sides of the border is sure to have some spin-off benefits for Detroit.

There's some distance yet to go to get things where they need to be, rebuilding is a long process, and there will surely be some setbacks and disappointments along the way.

But I see no reason to believe that Detroit will not resume population growth in a material way, within the decade, and will not see further renewal, reduced crime, and greater opportunity. If a few key items can be addressed, this will accelerate. [[Credible transit is one key, and mitigating the near-downtown expressways is another).

When these and other items have shown progress, Detroit will do better, irrespective of the climate, but will surely benefit that much moreso when the latter becomes a more pressing issue.

[mwilbert]

It's probably directionally correct, in that the Great Lakes area is probably going to become more of a migration destination in the future. But the timeframe we are talking about could be quite long, many decades anyway, and there's no guarantee that existing cities will be the main beneficiaries.

On the other hand, at least it could be a tailwind for cities like Detroit rather than a headwind; it's clearly better for Michigan's cities to be in a state with a growing population than a state with a shrinking or stagnant population.

[Henry Whalley]

...many decades anyway...

Agreed, but smarter residents will migrate sooner while real estate values are high. But dumber ones will remain in prayerful denial until underwater or engulfed in flames.

[stasu1213]

Boomtowns usually have there developments completed in timely manners. Developments in Detroit many times taken much longer or get delayed for 5 to 10 years. Detroit can't even fill up its empty storefronts of newly developments in Brush Park. A roller skating rink is going to open on Woodward and State in a storefront where a store such as Adidas would be a good fit in. Too many factions in this city that will stop Detroit from becoming a boomtown.

[Canadian Visitor]

Boomtowns usually have there developments completed in timely manners. Developments in Detroit many times taken much longer or get delayed for 5 to 10 years. Detroit can't even fill up its empty storefronts of newly developments in Brush Park. A roller skating rink is going to open on Woodward and State in a storefront where a store such as Adidas would be a good fit in. Too many factions in this city that will stop Detroit from becoming a boomtown.

I'm not the rainbows and unicorns type; Detroit is not yet a 'boom town' but that's not what this thread is about, its about its potential to become one again.

I think you're too negative. Which is the opposite of rainbows and unicorns and brings the risk of the self-fulfilling prophecy. Someone so sure that they can't that they won't.

Toronto has been in overdrive for awhile now.

But let me note for you that we had a previous real estate collapse in 1989; a then under construction office tower, that only had its elevator core climb a few storeys about ground when the collapse happened, ended up stopped and was a 'stump' for two decades.

Likewise, Toronto's waterfront, currently in the midst of an enormous redevelopment was the subject of a slew of different reports and plans over the decades before anything moved forward.

There are two notions that equally dangerous to success:

"Everyone else/ Everywhere else" does it better. [[ we can't succeed/compete)

and

"We're the best, woot!" [[a recipe for sitting on your laurels and waiting for others to pass you by)

Detroit can succeed, Detroit will succeed; the manner and timing is up to those of you live and work and hold office there. Make it happen.

[401don]

Boomtowns usually have there developments completed in timely manners. Developments in Detroit many times taken much longer or get delayed for 5 to 10 years. Detroit can't even fill up its empty storefronts of newly developments in Brush Park. A roller skating rink is going to open on Woodward and State in a storefront where a store such as Adidas would be a good fit in. Too many factions in this city that will stop Detroit from becoming a boomtown.

You always seem to confuse what would be "nice to have" vs. what the market dictates. You have to be living under a rock to not know how and why brick and mortar retail is struggling, so you suggest replacing a failed Under Armour store with an Adidas?

[Zacha341]

That's helped stave off the migrant-crisis-crush. So far!

Nobody in their right mind would come here.

[stasu1213]

I'm not the rainbows and unicorns type; Detroit is not yet a 'boom town' but that's not what this thread is about, its about its potential to become one again.

I think you're too negative. Which is the opposite of rainbows and unicorns and brings the risk of the self-fulfilling prophecy. Someone so sure that they can't that they won't.

Toronto has been in overdrive for awhile now.

But let me note for you that we had a previous real estate collapse in 1989; a then under construction office tower, that only had its elevator core climb a few storeys about ground when the collapse happened, ended up stopped and was a 'stump' for two decades.

Likewise, Toronto's waterfront, currently in the midst of an enormous redevelopment was the subject of a slew of different reports and plans over the decades before anything moved forward.

There are two notions that equally dangerous to success:

"Everyone else/ Everywhere else" does it better. [[ we can't succeed/compete)

and

"We're the best, woot!" [[a recipe for sitting on your laurels and waiting for others to pass you by)

Detroit can succeed, Detroit will succeed; the manner and timing is up to those of you live and work and hold office there. Make it happen.

Yes Detroit has great potential to become one especially with all of the vacate land it possess. I think that Michigan could be an attractive state in the future to attract people as well as businesses. The State as well as Detroit is the only places that have a foreign northern country to the south of it. Detroit has the potential to be an international city and not just a blue collar town

[stasu1213]

You always seem to confuse what would be "nice to have" vs. what the market dictates. You have to be living under a rock to not know how and why brick and mortar retail is struggling, so you suggest replacing a failed Under Armour store with an Adidas?

You think that using that space for one pop up shop after another is better. Adidas is a more popular brand than Under Armour.

[Richard]

Agreed, but smarter residents will migrate sooner while real estate values are high. But dumber ones will remain in prayerful denial until underwater or engulfed in flames.

So you are saying it was the smart ones that left the north to warmer climates due to the impending ice age that we were warned about in the 70s ?

People adapt and there are more people effected by the weather because there are more people,and more people living In places where they did not live before.

There has always been fires,hurricanes,tornadoes,floods,massive snowstorms,unless there is some kind of massive economical collapse that forces people to congregate in a small footprint,like alot of European countries,I would not put all of my chips in the small pail hoping that climate change saves you.

How long has it been since the bankruptcy when people were saying Detroit would never come back as a city and the discussion was about creating it in a smaller footprint?

Other city’s have been where Detroit was for decades before they came back,comparatively Detroit is moving along at a good pace.

[Henry Whalley]

So you are saying...

TLDR

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[Richard]

• LEAP is an opportunity for us to dig deep in the Gulf Coast, a region that will greatly benefit from increased adaptation action and is home to close to 10 percent of the ASAP membership.
  
  
• https://adaptationprofessionals.org/...tion-practice/

You need to think about what you are posting because there is a certain irony when an organization posts an article like that says climate change is going to force people to move up north,and you repeat it by saying floods,fires and rising waters are going to force them to move.

While that same organization is in those exact same places,fundraising and telling people how to adapt locally.

You do not think if their goal was to get people to move they would not be making money while telling people how to adapt where they are without having to move?

Maybe thats your problem,everything is TLDR to you so you never are able to figure out when you are being played.

I had some UK friends,they were top in their cancer research in the world,they were brought to the U.S. by an internationally known cancer research organization under a 4 year contract.

They finished their research goals in under 6 months,the remainder of their contract they were paid $250k a year to stay home and the world lost 4 of the most brilliant minds in cancer research for over 3 years.

Until you understand that as a rule these organizations are about generating revenue and only provide enough actual progress to show when it comes time for the next around of funding,you will know to take it all with a grain of salt.

Do you know how many millions Al Gore made on the lecture circuit telling everybody about the upcoming ice age?

By now Detroit was supposed to be frozen 365,how is that working out?

[Richard]

Too Long. Didn't Read.


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The average IQ of people typing TLDR in Internet forums is about 64.

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pretty much sums it up

[Henry Whalley]

...pretty much sums it up

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[Rocket]

Remember how we were told that sea levels were going to rise by 20 feet and New York was going to be under water?

The ex VP that told us that then used the money he made to buy an ocean front mansion on the Florida coast.

You're being lied to.

Liars are doing what they do so that they can get rich collecting government subsidies.

It's an old gag.

The economy is a FAR bigger issue, as is water scarcity.

For every 1% increased unemployment [[U6, not the false U2 number the media quotes), deaths rise something like 40,000 per year.

And water scarcity is an even bigger worry. And the Great Lakes has a pretty big chunk of the world's surface fresh water. If anything would drive people to move here, it would be that.

[Henry Whalley]

...fresh water.

Agreed, fresh water and temperate climate in the near-term.

[401don]

You think that using that space for one pop up shop after another is better. Adidas is a more popular brand than Under Armour.

Thanks for confirming my post. Pop up shops are better than empty. If there was demand they would be filled with permanent shops. Get it?