ObamaCare

**oladub** · August-11-10, 03:06 PM

mjs wrote: "Largest puppet of big money? Obama! Follow the money. Corporate money cascades to him more than any politician ever."

mjs, What are you talking about? Given his rank as Senator, no one can stand up to Chris Dodd [[D-Conn.) as the ultimate corporatist shill in Congress. Everything this guy touches lines the pockets of the rich. He is sort of the Goldman-Sachs version of the Good Fairy. Connecticut based insurance companies did very well in Obamacare.

Also, we have to give the President credit where credit is due. With regards to "President Obama's pledge to retain more hi-tech jobs in the U.S., a federal agency run by a hand-picked Obama appointee has launched a $36 million program to train workers, including 3,000 specialists in IT and related functions" Would President Clinton have done the same?

U.S. To Train 3,000 ... IT Workers You can't say that President Obama hasn't stood up for workers. Maybe the new trainees will help restrain the cost of Obamacare.

**oladub** · August-11-10, 03:35 PM

rb, U.S. Move to Cover Fannie, Freddie Losses Stirs Controversy
A better title would be "Obama's move...
Obama is no Scrooge to be sure especially with his banking friends. Just imagine while everyone else is going into debt buying things for the kiddies, celebrating, and having holiday fun, the President is attending to his duties in the lonely empty Whitehouse when suddenly the Ghost of Christmas Past, who looked a lot like Monica, reminded the President of the unloved Wall Street bankers whose stockings had been empty since the Bailout. This Act wasn't to be confused with Executive Order 13523 in which the President had already given a half day off on Christmas Eve for overworked and underpaid federal employees while he struggled on by himself.

edited to ad, What part of the Obamacare flow chart was wrong? We must be getting something for a trillion dollars. Send in your corrections.

more,more, more, more

**Detroitej72** · August-11-10, 08:38 PM

Originally Posted by oladub

You can't say that President Obama hasn't stood up for workers. Maybe the new trainees will help restrain the cost of Obamacare.

The question cons are too scared to answer: What is this Obamacare bill they rant and cry about? I have found no bill from the house or senate that is titled "Obamacare", yet they frequently keep coming back to it.

Is it possible that cons have manufactured a word and use it to promote fear in the general public?

**rb336** · August-11-10, 03:14 PM

Originally Posted by Papasito

While Democrats blame Republicans and Republicans blame Democrats, anyone with half a brain should accept the fact they both are to blame.

oh absolutely. they both play for the same corporate masters

**Papasito** · August-12-10, 10:11 AM

The company who services my employer's health plan raised the rates to my employer 67%, so today everyone had to sign forms that our employer officially has terminated health care coverage under the group plan. We can get $225.00 tax free from from our employer per month to acquire our own healthcare coverage if we provide proof of purchase.

Thank you, Obamacare.

**rb336** · August-12-10, 10:37 AM

Originally Posted by Papasito

The company who services my employer's health plan raised the rates to my employer 67%, so today everyone had to sign forms that our employer officially has terminated health care coverage under the group plan. We can get $225.00 tax free from from our employer per month to acquire our own healthcare coverage if we provide proof of purchase.

Thank you, Obamacare.

your health insurance company's increase had, now get this, NOTHING to do with the legislation

**Papasito** · August-12-10, 12:52 PM

Today my employer terminated health care benefits for all employees. The group provider raised it's rates by 67%, so they simply cancelled them for everyone. However, they will give employees $225.00 per month of tax free money to buy thier own 'health care', providing proof of purchase.

Wow, the legislation sure is helping people get Health Care!
Now I've seen the proof with my own eyes!

**rb336** · August-12-10, 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by Papasito

Wow, the legislation sure is helping people get Health Care!
Now I've seen the proof with my own eyes!

at do you expect from legislation designed - rep and dem - except reps insisted on a lot of crap that got put in and then didn't vote for it - by people in BIg Insurance's pockets? Signed into law by a center-right corporatist president. and yes, he IS center-right. not a progressive bone in his body

**maxx** · August-12-10, 01:46 PM

Papasito: 2 massive bailout bills. One under a RHINO [[bush), the other under a far left winger [[obama).

maxx: That's a laugh. If Obama had been a far left-winger, he would have given Congress a healthcare bill with a public option.

**oladub** · August-12-10, 02:11 PM

One insurance company wrote a letter to explain it's increased insurance rates this year, ""MVP Health Care's proposed rates for 2011 reflect the continued increase in the cost of health care, as well as state surcharges and assessments on health insurance premiums, and the benefit expansions required by Federal and state health insurance reform laws."
-Business Owner Eyes Possible 43% Insurance Rate Hike

Federal health insurance reform laws = OBAMACARE

**Papasito** · August-12-10, 02:15 PM

Do you really think we're better off as a nation by preventing 30 million of our fellow citizens from seeing a doctor?

Today my employer terminated Health Care for 205 employees.

**maxx** · August-12-10, 06:06 PM

Papasito: Obama signed up and chose to run for President, claimed he was the best guy to fix it, and has no reason to blame his administration's shortcomings on his predecessor knowing good and well what he decided of his own free will to walk into.

What a load of Republican crapola! Neocons spend 30 years piecing together legislation that started with the S & L scandal in the early '80s and ended with the subprime crisis, and then you expect the economy to be turned around in less than 2 years. I bet you say that the good economy of the 1990s was a result of Reagan's policies ten years earlier.

RE: Blue Cross
http://www.prescriptionforchange.org..._plans_am.html

**1KielsonDrive** · August-14-10, 01:31 PM

I love ObamaCare. It doesn't take effect until I'm well past the age to put it to use. In the meantime, I'm bareback - one accident or diagnosis from bankruptcy and life or death. ObamaCare requires people to buy insurance from the very companies ripping them off in the first place. Kind of like saying to the guy who's mugging you, "I'll pay you the last hundred bucks I have to my name that's in my pocket right now, if you'll promise not to rob me". You give it all up to the robber, and then he stabs you. Insurance companies will have unlimited access to my personal health information. The insurance companies are lobbying congress as we speak to weaken, if not, reject the parts of ObamaCare they don't like. Which aren't too many. I never figured out how you could negotiate something, say a purchase, by offering one hundred and fifty per cent of the asking price.

**Zacha341** · August-21-10, 08:19 AM

LOL! I hear you. And to think this benevolent "program" was promoted and touted to protect you from the big, bad insurance companies... proving more care, to many more, for less, without pre-existing conditions getting in the way...?

Originally Posted by 1KielsonDrive

I love ObamaCare. It doesn't take effect until I'm well past the age to put it to use. In the meantime, I'm bareback - one accident or diagnosis from bankruptcy and life or death. ObamaCare requires people to buy insurance from the very companies ripping them off in the first place. Kind of like saying to the guy who's mugging you, "I'll pay you the last hundred bucks I have to my name that's in my pocket right now, if you'll promise not to rob me". You give it all up to the robber, and then he stabs you. Insurance companies will have unlimited access to my personal health information. The insurance companies are lobbying congress as we speak to weaken, if not, reject the parts of ObamaCare they don't like. Which aren't too many. I never figured out how you could negotiate something, say a purchase, by offering one hundred and fifty per cent of the asking price.

**oladub** · August-21-10, 09:17 AM

An FDA advisory committee voted recently to revoke the use of Avastin for treating advanced breast cancer. This is not a final FDA ruling. Studies had shown that the drug provided an extra month to 2.9 months of progression free survival. The FDA is something we have and is not new to Obama care but the question arises; Should the doctor and patient make the decision about treatment or government bureaucrats? It costs $9,000/month to take Avastin. For the FDA to make a ruling agaist Avastin would save a huge amount of money for insurance companies and increasingly government when Obamacare kicks in.

A British advisory panel which advises the British government on which drugs to purchase has similarly ruled against Avastin because it isn't cost effective relative to the extension of life it provides. Given that line of thinking though, elders are a lost cause.

http://blogs.wsj.com/health/2010/07/...stin-decision/
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/06/health/06avastin.html

Medicare is also curtailing the use of Avastin for the treatment of macular degeneration because of a bureaucratic gliche although it will still provide money for another drug which is more expensive.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/02/bu...02avastin.html

**Zacha341** · August-21-10, 09:31 AM

Yep, let the bean-counting accounting games begin. They certainly are not coming to an end.

Originally Posted by oladub

An FDA advisory committee voted recently to revoke the use of Avastin for treating advanced breast cancer. This is not a final FDA ruling. Studies had shown that the drug provided an extra month to 2.9 months of progression free survival. The FDA is something we have and is not new to Obama care but the question arises; Should the doctor and patient make the decision about treatment or government bureaucrats? It costs $9,000/month to take Avastin. For the FDA to make a ruling agaist Avastin would save a huge amount of money for insurance companies and increasingly government when Obamacare kicks in.

A British advisory panel which advises the British government on which drugs to purchase has similarly ruled against Avastin because it isn't cost effective relative to the extension of life it provides. Given that line of thinking though, elders are a lost cause.

http://blogs.wsj.com/health/2010/07/...stin-decision/
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/06/health/06avastin.html

Medicare is also curtailing the use of Avastin for the treatment of macular degeneration because of a bureaucratic gliche although it will still provide money for another drug which is more expensive.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/02/bu...02avastin.html

**Papasito** · August-21-10, 08:55 AM

Heres the clowns who are supposed to run our Health Care :
Our Federal Government

Hundreds of millions in Katrina funds remain unspent

Five years after Hurricane Katrina destroyed more than 200,000 Louisiana homes, the state program established to help families rebuild still hasn’t paid out more than three-quarters of a billion dollars..

he unallocated Road Home funds have sat around for so long that they’ve outlived the state agency that initially ran the program. Road Home is on its second parent after the Community Development Office’s Disaster Recovery Unit assumed oversight when the Louisiana Recovery Authority — which oversaw rebuilding from the hurricanes — went out of business at the end of June, as planned by legislators in the wake of the storms. “We’re sitting on almost $800 million in homeowner money that’s not been expended. Is that right?” state Rep. Neil Abramson, a Democrat from New Orleans, disbelievingly asked at a meeting Tuesday night of the Legislature’s Hurricane Recovery Committee, which was packed with angry residents.
“They don’t have no staff,” said one of them, Malcolm Russell. “You call, you can’t get nobody. You can’t get the right answers.”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38788131/ns/us_news-life

HAHA
Cant wait till some of you actually have to try to get "health care"
What a disaster waiting to happen

They can't even help families from a hurricane that happened five years ago,
yet you want to trust them with your well being

**Papasito** · August-21-10, 08:59 AM

Papasito: Obama signed up and chose to run for President, claimed he was the best guy to fix it, and has no reason to blame his administration's shortcomings on his predecessor knowing good and well what he decided of his own free will to walk into.

Maxx: What a load of Republican crapola!

So I take it when someone takes a job and knows what he has to do beforehand, and then fails miserably, then it's everyone else's fault but theirs? No wonder we have no leaders in government anymore.

**Zacha341** · August-21-10, 09:12 AM

I hear that. Bigger government usually renders a smaller [[and less personally defined) you: buried in bureaucracy no less cumbersome than the existing 'big-insurance' matrix. Bigger in point of fact.

However, for now, criticism MUST be ascribed as right wing or republican inspired, and therefore dismissible and false, bigoted, extreme and most of all CONTAINABLE.

That which can be 'contained' is always easier to control... in theory... in terms of ascribing certain concerns and opinion as being "what they do", "how they think...a" "what those conservatives believe" etc. etc...

This containment as such changing, as it would have to eventually. Bi-partisan concern is mounting...

More and more dems and others are realizing the problems and even the mainstream media is beginning to respond.... and report.

Originally Posted by Papasito

Papasito: Obama signed up and chose to run for President, claimed he was the best guy to fix it, and has no reason to blame his administration's shortcomings on his predecessor knowing good and well what he decided of his own free will to walk into.

Maxx: What a load of Republican crapola!

So I take it when someone takes a job and knows what he has to do beforehand, and then fails miserably, then it's everyone else's fault but theirs? No wonder we have no leaders in government anymore.

**Wingnatic** · August-21-10, 09:27 AM

The healthcare has needed fixing for so long now that George W . made it a campaign promise for both his elections which leads me to believe that alot of people both Dems and Republicans alike had this high on their list of issue's . Now with something trying to be done to fix it , that same people are bitching , whats that all about ? Do people like increasing healthcare premiums , while the coverage decreases ?

**johnsmith** · September-30-10, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by Wingnatic

The healthcare has needed fixing for so long now that George W . made it a campaign promise for both his elections which leads me to believe that alot of people both Dems and Republicans alike had this high on their list of issue's . Now with something trying to be done to fix it , that same people are bitching , whats that all about ? Do people like increasing healthcare premiums , while the coverage decreases ?

If you weren't listening to what he was saying back then, George W's approach was going to be vastly different than what the turd of a bill Democrats passed.

**maxx** · September-30-10, 10:31 AM

Originally Posted by johnsmith

If you weren't listening to what he was saying back then, George W's approach was going to be vastly different than what the turd of a bill Democrats passed.

So the Republicans had six years when they were totally in charge. Why didn't they pass it if they really intended to do it?

mjs: Now, Dems have the Congress and the White House. Still, no reinstatement of Glass-Steagal despite a Republican [[McCain) pushing for it.

That's nice that one Republican wanted it. Ever hear of the filibuster? It's become automatic since Republicans lost the presidential election. Watch "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington". On second thought, don't since filibusters don't operate that way any more although some people think they should. Let's make the Republicans stand up in front of the cameras and show how they are wasting the time of the Congress by doing nothing constructive.

**mjs** · September-30-10, 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by maxx

So the Republicans had six years when they were totally in charge. Why didn't they pass it if they really intended to do it?

That's nice that one Republican wanted it. Ever hear of the filibuster? It's become automatic since Republicans lost the presidential election. Watch "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington". On second thought, don't since filibusters don't operate that way any more although some people think they should. Let's make the Republicans stand up in front of the cameras and show how they are wasting the time of the Congress by doing nothing constructive.

Ok, lets play your game and pretend the only republican supporter was its author.

Its is nice isn't it. 59 Dems and the 1 Republican. This may be hard for thsoe that do democrat math, but 59 + 1 = 60. Ever hear of how many votes it takes to break a filibuster? 60!!!! Must have passed already.

Lets do it! Lets make the republicans stand before the cameras and filibuster. I'm 100% for it. All a Democrat has to do is introduce just one single bill to the floor that they claim can not get passed because the republicans will filbuster it.

**maxx** · September-30-10, 12:04 PM

Originally Posted by mjs

Ok, lets play your game and pretend the only republican supporter was its author.

Its is nice isn't it. 59 Dems and the 1 Republican. This may be hard for thsoe that do democrat math, but 59 + 1 = 60. Ever hear of how many votes it takes to break a filibuster? 60!!!! Must have passed already.

Lets do it! Lets make the republicans stand before the cameras and filibuster. I'm 100% for it. All a Democrat has to do is introduce just one single bill to the floor that they claim can not get passed because the republicans will filbuster it.

I'm willing to admit that there are a lot of so-called Dems who have been elected from the south and who are not being required by their consituents to do much to improve their lives. OTOH, the entire Republican party has appeared to be uninhinged and just dancing to the tune of the big money that funds their campaigns. And some of their candidates are little better than snake oil salesmen.

**Papasito** · September-30-10, 07:54 AM

The Promises:

The Obama-Biden plan provides affordable, accessible health care for all Americans, builds on the existing health care system, and uses existing providers, doctors, and plans. .... Under the plan, if you like your current health insurance, nothing changes, except your costs will go down by as much as $2,500 per year

http://change.gov/agenda/health_care_agenda/
http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/issue...reFullPlan.pdf

With the strokes of 22 pens, President Obama signed his landmark health care overhaul — the most expansive social legislation enacted in decades — into law on Tuesday, saying it enshrines “the core principle that everybody should have some basic security when it comes to their health care.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/24/he.../24health.html

It means an end to the worst insurance company abuses, new rules that treat everyone fairly, and more choices and affordable health insurance for millions ...

http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/benefitsofreform

The Reality:

McDonald's [[MCD) has warned federal officials that it may terminate health care benefits for 30,000 workers, according to The Wall Street Journal.

The concern of the huge fast food chain and other employers of low-paid workers is that they will be overwhelmed by the costs of new regulations.

See full article from DailyFinance: http://www.dailyfinance.com/story/mcdonalds-health-coverage/19655050/?icid=sphere_copyright

http://www.dailyfinance.com/story/mc...rage/19655050/

Nortel Networks Corp., the insolvent maker of telecommunications equipment, sought a judge’s permission to cut off medical and disability benefits to more than 4,000 former U.S. employees.

http://www.businessweek.com/news/201...in-august.html

Small companies begin terminating health care benefits in Massachusetts

As many expected, some businesses in Massachusetts actually have accountants – or maybe just calculators – and have figured out it will be less expensive and more stable for their business plans to drop health care benefits for employees and pay the fine.

http://radioviceonline.com/small-com...massachusetts/

Millions of American workers could discover that they no longer have employer-provided health insurance as ObamaCare is phased in. That's because employers are quickly discovering that it may be cheaper to pay fines to the government than to insure workers.

AT&T, Caterpillar, John Deere and Verizon have all made internal calculations, according the House Energy and Commerce Committee, to determine how much could be saved by a) dropping their employer-provided insurance, b) paying a fine of $2,000 per employee, and c) leaving their employees with the option of buying highly-subsidized insurance in the newly created health-insurance exchange

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...943319816.html

THANKS, BUDDY!