Can Greektown be saved?

[canuck]

Those videos I've seen of that Kensington district are pretty shocking. Detroit never had a skid row that was anything like that.

Yeah, Kensington is as hellish as it gets, and the saddest thing is how normal it has become. Zombieland as a new normal.

[ABetterDetroit]

Gross exaggeration, blindness, and false equivalence. Hitler's victims [Jews, Catholics, Queers, Constitutionalists, Romany, Marxists, Mongoloids, Modernists, the Disabled, etc.] weren't gang-bangers, weren't terrorizing entire cities and making them unlivable for all decent residents.

You certainly can see the difference?

Your looking at the end result. I said “the first step”. How do you think Germany arrived at the Holocaust? Just woke up one day and decided to commit genocide by the millions? Blaming, Hate, Extreme Prejudice, a total lack of Justice. ‘Corralling people’ and then justifying they were subhuman.

No, we don’t need to condone people committing crimes with guns anywhere to fix Greek town. A stupid idea like that is just Dicks usual thought to paint with a broad brush. You can bet his ‘corral’ of hate and crime would be inflicted on a community of color and not be in Rochester.

Zero tolerance of felons carrying illegal firearms with mandatory sentencing would help Greek town and all of the city. Repeat offenders are a good chunk of the problem. Chief White has said it directly. Criminology data backs it up.

[Richard]

Nothing like using a narrative as a solution lol

Just declare it a gun free zone,or better yet a violence free zone,that will stop the bad guys.

That exactly how STRESS operated zero tolerance,the war on drugs,zero tolerance your choice of actions is exactly what you are accusing others of,Stevie Wonder can see that,to bad you cannot.

You do not notice how everytime you go out of your way to take pot shots at me all you accomplish is showing how ignorant you really are,nobody can really not have that much of a clue without actually trying really hard.

Detroit City Council members on Tuesday postponed a vote on a resolution to establish gun-free zones in certain high-traffic parts of the city.

At a meeting in April, Waters proposed gun-free zones in areas that include the Detroit riverfront, Greektown, Hart Plaza, Spirit of Detroit Plaza and Campus Martius. Shootings have occurred in the downtown area in recent weekends as the weather warms toward summer and more people head outside.

I don't believe the correct response to the violence that we have had in our city is to deny basic liberties to the residents, and specifically the idea of making Greektown into a gun-free zone is not going to help make anyone safer and it is an infringement of people's basic rights," said Boman,

[masterblaster]

Those videos I've seen of that Kensington district are pretty shocking. Detroit never had a skid row that was anything like that.

Detroit's Skid Row was demolished in the 1960's for nothingness. It was on Michigan Avenue between 1st and 3rd Streets, photos below:

https://digital.library.wayne.edu/item/wayne:vmc4646

https://digital.library.wayne.edu/item/wayne:vmc4647

https://digital.library.wayne.edu/item/wayne:vmc4647_1

https://digital.library.wayne.edu/item/wayne:vmc4647_5

[Richard]

^ broken and busted out windows of The Las Angles and Trunks

Those buildings still there?

[Gistok]

^ broken and busted out windows of The Las Angles and Trunks

Those buildings still there?

Nope, mostly parking and parking structure on Michigan Ave between 1st and 3rd Ave...

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3318.../data=!3m1!1e3

[K-slice]

This is some insightful conversation on how crime has traditionally been prevented city-wide. You can see this happening on a larger muti-city scale in the Pacific Northwest where entire cities like Portland have become havens for drugs and crime due to lax policies. There are videos of newly arrived residents telling the cameras they were given free bus tickets to these cities where their habits are officially condoned.

So should Detroit have a lawless area for drugs and other crime to exist in order to save the rest of the city?

[ABetterDetroit]

This is some insightful conversation on how crime has traditionally been prevented city-wide. You can see this happening on a larger muti-city scale in the Pacific Northwest where entire cities like Portland have become havens for drugs and crime due to lax policies. There are videos of newly arrived residents telling the cameras they were given free bus tickets to these cities where their habits are officially condoned.

So should Detroit have a lawless area for drugs and other crime to exist in order to save the rest of the city?

Like make it well known to everyone that’s arrested with an illegal gun in Michigan that everyone can carry in Florida without a permit? Put it on billboards that so many people are printing down there and have glocks handy in the car next to them that it is practically impossible to check criminal records? I think you could be on to something here K-slice…

[Rocket]

where entire cities like Portland have become havens for drugs and crime due to lax policies. There are videos of newly arrived residents telling the cameras they were given free bus tickets to these cities where their habits are officially condoned.

So should Detroit have a lawless area for drugs and other crime to exist in order to save the rest of the city?

Why not the other way around? Buy our criminals bus tickets to Cleveland, Chicago, St Louis, Baltimore, Philly etc?

Might get even more takers if they can get tickets to someplace that's also warm, like New Orleans, Batton Rouge, Memphis, Mobile AL, Tulsa, Atlanta, Nashville.

[Richard]

This is some insightful conversation on how crime has traditionally been prevented city-wide. You can see this happening on a larger muti-city scale in the Pacific Northwest where entire cities like Portland have become havens for drugs and crime due to lax policies. There are videos of newly arrived residents telling the cameras they were given free bus tickets to these cities where their habits are officially condoned.

So should Detroit have a lawless area for drugs and other crime to exist in order to save the rest of the city?

Places like Portland and Seattle have actually had population increases because they pay a monthly check for homeless plus other benefits.

Orlando at one time studied the concept of creating a red light district from scratch on the city boundary,it would have been where all the topless bars,clubs etc would have been located in one spot,it did not end up getting approved.

It’s about containment and allocating resources,but when you look at the crime mapping of Detroit it seems to be everywhere but not heavy in one spot more so then others.

And it is a large city with a lot of ground to cover,it looks like a case of if you pull resources from one spot to another,you end up just shuffling crime around the city and not really dealing with it.

You cannot arrest your way out of it,it would be like playing whack-a-mole,if guess if one can find the answer the rest of the world would be all ears.

When you look at NYC it was genifcation that changed the crime rates,if Detroit could bring in 100,000 more non crime motivated people the crime rate per 1000 would drop.