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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    How’s that working out for Y’all now,you went from The highest paid workers in the country to the highest poverty rate,with all the major rust belt cities left in ruins.

    The union did not force Henry Ford to offer the $5 wage that set off the great migration,correct ?

    At that time 95% was agricultural,and then somebody invented these things called machines that replaced workers,Kinda like they are doing now,every month 1000 s of union jobs are lost,but it’s the south’s fault because they just will not get into lockstep.

    Sense 2018 128.7 million people moved from the north to the south,they did not move to pick cotton or join the union.

    Like locusts,swarming in and consuming cities then when they are left in ruins they move on to the next one.

    “Attention would-be war workers! Stay away from Detroit unless you have definite promise of a job in this city. If you expect a good-paying job in one of the big auto plants at this time, you’re doomed to disappointment and hardship.” For the next two years there were always over 100,000 unemployed Detroiters, most of them autoworkers, with the official total reaching 250,000 in August 1952. At one point in 1952, 10 percent of all the unemployment in the nation was concentrated in Detroit. Moreover, you were counted as “employed” if you worked as little as one hour per week. Underemployment was a chronic problem that remained invisible in official unemployment statistics. Again, this was all after those lucrative 1950 contracts were signed. The wages and benefits written into those agreements gave a misleading impression of how autoworkers actually lived.

    https://themetropole.blog/2020/01/30...-postwar-boom/

    So there actually never a time in Detroit where the union promises were held up.

    Richard, you just can't accept the fact that this is the beginning of the end of corporate greed in the Auto Industry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cincinnati_Kid View Post
    Richard, you just can't accept the fact that this is the beginning of the end of corporate greed in the Auto Industry.
    How was it corporate greed ? They were already paying a higher wage than the local average with benefits.

    It’s called capitalism,do you give people more money then they ask for?

    Look at what is happening in Cuba as they are collapsing under your line of thinking,their average monthly salary is now $13 and all of their subsidies under communism is now being cut in half.

    Can you feed your family on 1 pound of rice a week?

    Look at the history of the auto manufacturers in Detroit ,read the link I posted.

    You will see what you call corporate greed when the same exact thing happens in Tennessee that happened in Detroit.

    The manufacturers move production to Mexico.

    The purpose of a corporation is to make money for its shareholders,as the unions have discovered,if it cannot do that it no longer will exist,or the jobs they provided.

    Look around ,it’s pretty clear.

    What do you think is going to happen now ?

    If an auto worker in Detroit can make the same salary in the south as in Detroit at 1/2 the COL where are they going to live?

    I have a friend in Alabama that works in a non union auto supplier shop,he has a new house on 5 acres,drives new cars,his wife stays at home raising the kids and has plenty left over for the toys.

    He is living the American dream,how exactly is he able to do that based on corporate greed ?

    So what’s going to happen now - wages across the board in a given region are going to increase,which is also going to raise the costs of everything else,so at the end of the day it will become the same as what happened in Detroit - a zero sum game.

    So they are going to end up needing to make more in the future in order to keep up with the vicious cycle,the same exact cycle that destroyed Detroit and the region there.

    I do not know enough about unions to be anti-union so I base it on cause and effect. And when it is staring you right in the face it is hard to ignore.

    Supply and demand dictates prevailing wages,when you artificially dictate wages you get what is happening,corporations look to cut labor costs with automation,so then you have less workers having to pay more taxes to make up for all the ones no longer working.

    The Mc Donald’s by me used to have 4 at the counter taking orders,now there is one,that one makes more but the others that were replaced by the kiosks do not have a job anymore.

    As a society what is better 1 in 4 working at a higher wage while having to support the other 3 ,so how exactly are they making more money when the tax increase just makes them to do twice the amount of work for the same wage.

    That’s the irony with the people running about yelling evil corporations,nobody is actually forcing you to work for them.

    Do not like them,do not work for them,it’s not that complicated.
    Last edited by Richard; April-20-24 at 11:50 AM.

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