Dissident Shawn Fain Elected UAW President

[Jimaz]

Southern governors tell autoworkers that voting for a union will put their jobs in jeopardy [[yahoo.com)

Yeah, well, if the southern states had ever really cared about workers' jobs there never would have been The Great Migration in the first place.

They already failed that test long ago.

[Richard]

Yeah, well, if the southern states had ever really cared about workers' jobs there never would have been The Great Migration in the first place.

They already failed that test long ago.

How’s that working out for Y’all now,you went from The highest paid workers in the country to the highest poverty rate,with all the major rust belt cities left in ruins.

The union did not force Henry Ford to offer the $5 wage that set off the great migration,correct ?

At that time 95% was agricultural,and then somebody invented these things called machines that replaced workers,Kinda like they are doing now,every month 1000 s of union jobs are lost,but it’s the south’s fault because they just will not get into lockstep.

Sense 2018 128.7 million people moved from the north to the south,they did not move to pick cotton or join the union.

Like locusts,swarming in and consuming cities then when they are left in ruins they move on to the next one.

“Attention would-be war workers! Stay away from Detroit unless you have definite promise of a job in this city. If you expect a good-paying job in one of the big auto plants at this time, you’re doomed to disappointment and hardship.” For the next two years there were always over 100,000 unemployed Detroiters, most of them autoworkers, with the official total reaching 250,000 in August 1952. At one point in 1952, 10 percent of all the unemployment in the nation was concentrated in Detroit. Moreover, you were counted as “employed” if you worked as little as one hour per week. Underemployment was a chronic problem that remained invisible in official unemployment statistics. Again, this was all after those lucrative 1950 contracts were signed. The wages and benefits written into those agreements gave a misleading impression of how autoworkers actually lived.

https://themetropole.blog/2020/01/30...-postwar-boom/

So there actually never a time in Detroit where the union promises were held up.

[Jimaz]

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Bite me, Dick.

[Jimaz]

This Election Could Upend the Auto Industry

Volkswagen workers in Tennessee could win a union at a non-union car company for the first time in decades. This week, they vote on joining the UAW. If they win, it'll change the course of history and set the American labor movement on a new path.

• UAW.org

[Henry Whalley]

bite me, dick.

lol

[Henry Whalley]

The NLRB is counting VW ballots in Chattanooga with results expected around 11 p.m. on Saturday. We already know where Governor Bill Lee stands, and tomorrow we'll know what Tennessee's peons have to say for themselves in the master-slave dialectic.

Masters, Slaves & Meanings | Issue 86 | Philosophy Now

[Jimaz]

This Is The Biggest Win For Workers In Decades

Over 4,000 Volkswagen workers in Tennessee just joined the UAW. They’re the first American workers to win a union at a non-union car company in decades. This historic victory will change the auto industry, and the future of American labor.

• UAW

[313WX]

Say what you will about Shawn Fain's personality and methods [[which are petty things to nitpick), but he's accomplishing a lot more than any other UAW leader in the past 50 years to bolster the union and deserves credit for it.

[313WX]

Yeah, well, if the southern states had ever really cared about workers' jobs there never would have been The Great Migration in the first place.

They already failed that test long ago.

The Reverse Great Migration [[1970 -Present)

These are the fastest growing metro areas in the country

1. Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington, Texas – +152,598

2. Houston-Pasadena-The Woodlands, Texas – +139,789

3. Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Roswell, Ga – +68,585

4. Orlando-Kissimmee-Sanford, Fla – +54,916

5. Tampa-St. Petersburg-Clearwater, Fla – +51,622


6. Charlotte-Concord-Gastonia, NC-SC – +50,458

7. Austin-Round Rock-San Marcos, TX – +50,105

8. Phoenix-Mesa-Chandler, Ariz. – +49,240

9. San Antonio-New Braunfels, Texas – +48,071

10. Miami-Fort Lauderdale-West Palm Beach, Fla. – +43,387

[Cincinnati_Kid]

This is a huge win for Shawn Fain and the UAW.

[Cincinnati_Kid]

How’s that working out for Y’all now,you went from The highest paid workers in the country to the highest poverty rate,with all the major rust belt cities left in ruins.

The union did not force Henry Ford to offer the $5 wage that set off the great migration,correct ?

At that time 95% was agricultural,and then somebody invented these things called machines that replaced workers,Kinda like they are doing now,every month 1000 s of union jobs are lost,but it’s the south’s fault because they just will not get into lockstep.

Sense 2018 128.7 million people moved from the north to the south,they did not move to pick cotton or join the union.

Like locusts,swarming in and consuming cities then when they are left in ruins they move on to the next one.

“Attention would-be war workers! Stay away from Detroit unless you have definite promise of a job in this city. If you expect a good-paying job in one of the big auto plants at this time, you’re doomed to disappointment and hardship.” For the next two years there were always over 100,000 unemployed Detroiters, most of them autoworkers, with the official total reaching 250,000 in August 1952. At one point in 1952, 10 percent of all the unemployment in the nation was concentrated in Detroit. Moreover, you were counted as “employed” if you worked as little as one hour per week. Underemployment was a chronic problem that remained invisible in official unemployment statistics. Again, this was all after those lucrative 1950 contracts were signed. The wages and benefits written into those agreements gave a misleading impression of how autoworkers actually lived.

https://themetropole.blog/2020/01/30...-postwar-boom/

So there actually never a time in Detroit where the union promises were held up.

Richard, you just can't accept the fact that this is the beginning of the end of corporate greed in the Auto Industry.

[jcole]

And a lot of that is due to the advent of air conditioning in schools and industry.

The Reverse Great Migration [[1970 -Present)

These are the fastest growing metro areas in the country

1. Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington, Texas – +152,598

2. Houston-Pasadena-The Woodlands, Texas – +139,789

3. Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Roswell, Ga – +68,585

4. Orlando-Kissimmee-Sanford, Fla – +54,916

5. Tampa-St. Petersburg-Clearwater, Fla – +51,622


6. Charlotte-Concord-Gastonia, NC-SC – +50,458

7. Austin-Round Rock-San Marcos, TX – +50,105

8. Phoenix-Mesa-Chandler, Ariz. – +49,240

9. San Antonio-New Braunfels, Texas – +48,071

10. Miami-Fort Lauderdale-West Palm Beach, Fla. – +43,387

[13606Cedargrove]

Agreed jcole, and don't forget the widespread adoption of A/C in vehicles. Hot places were undesirable before A/C.

[Richard]

Richard, you just can't accept the fact that this is the beginning of the end of corporate greed in the Auto Industry.

How was it corporate greed ? They were already paying a higher wage than the local average with benefits.

It’s called capitalism,do you give people more money then they ask for?

Look at what is happening in Cuba as they are collapsing under your line of thinking,their average monthly salary is now $13 and all of their subsidies under communism is now being cut in half.

Can you feed your family on 1 pound of rice a week?

Look at the history of the auto manufacturers in Detroit ,read the link I posted.

You will see what you call corporate greed when the same exact thing happens in Tennessee that happened in Detroit.

The manufacturers move production to Mexico.

The purpose of a corporation is to make money for its shareholders,as the unions have discovered,if it cannot do that it no longer will exist,or the jobs they provided.

Look around ,it’s pretty clear.

What do you think is going to happen now ?

If an auto worker in Detroit can make the same salary in the south as in Detroit at 1/2 the COL where are they going to live?

I have a friend in Alabama that works in a non union auto supplier shop,he has a new house on 5 acres,drives new cars,his wife stays at home raising the kids and has plenty left over for the toys.

He is living the American dream,how exactly is he able to do that based on corporate greed ?

So what’s going to happen now - wages across the board in a given region are going to increase,which is also going to raise the costs of everything else,so at the end of the day it will become the same as what happened in Detroit - a zero sum game.

So they are going to end up needing to make more in the future in order to keep up with the vicious cycle,the same exact cycle that destroyed Detroit and the region there.

I do not know enough about unions to be anti-union so I base it on cause and effect. And when it is staring you right in the face it is hard to ignore.

Supply and demand dictates prevailing wages,when you artificially dictate wages you get what is happening,corporations look to cut labor costs with automation,so then you have less workers having to pay more taxes to make up for all the ones no longer working.

The Mc Donald’s by me used to have 4 at the counter taking orders,now there is one,that one makes more but the others that were replaced by the kiosks do not have a job anymore.

As a society what is better 1 in 4 working at a higher wage while having to support the other 3 ,so how exactly are they making more money when the tax increase just makes them to do twice the amount of work for the same wage.

That’s the irony with the people running about yelling evil corporations,nobody is actually forcing you to work for them.

Do not like them,do not work for them,it’s not that complicated.

[Henry Whalley]

This is a huge win for Shawn Fain and the UAW.

Happy Days Are Here Again - Wikipedia

But my guess is that SCOTUS will act quickly to abort worker rights in order to prevent the rise of a new middle class.

Supreme Court's Starbucks’ case could impact union-busting efforts [[usatoday.com)

[Richard]

when the 1958 recession devastated Detroit’s autoworkers and their neighborhoods. Over a quarter of a million Detroiters, mostly autoworkers and those whose jobs were supported by their income, were out of work in early 1958, and unemployment remained at least that high, and often worse, for well over a year. MESC Director Max Horton remarked that if he were one of the long-term unemployed autoworkers, he “would start seeking a job in some other line of work.”
But regardless of that advice, many autoworkers ended up having no choice. The auto industry in the 1950’s was a boom-and-bust industry, and every good phase for workers—1950, 1953, 1955—was followed by a tough stretch that wiped out whatever precarious toehold they had established.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/histo...try-180972139/


What is middle class? A term invented by politicians to scare people saying they can have an dream that they will never have by working for somebody,always has been.

In the 1970s there was 180,000 millionaires in the U.S. in 2024 there are 24.5 million millionaires.

There is more opportunity to become “rich” then there ever was,even a school teacher can go on Only Fans and make $500k a year.

Autoworkers were never considered middle class in the first place.

What the socialists are trying to do is make flipping hamburgers a no skilled job that pays $250k a year,bringing nothing to the table while complaining about greedy corporations,how about learning a skill or trade or be a doctor and actually bring something to the table and establish worth instead expecting a salary based on what one thinks they deserve.

One would think that those who live in a city that has been historically subject to the ups and downs of the automobile industry and the devastation that happens during every downturn would understand the basics.

Did the unions save Detroit? They do not actually produce jobs and like the guy said they did not build that,they are no different than the greedy corporations,taking advantage of the people they represent for their own personal gain.

What is preventing a union from starting a company and running it like they demand of others ?

Maybe they figured out that it is not profitable and they are not that stupid.

They can lead by example,put up billions and risk it all just like every other business,but if one has no skin in the game it is easy to place demands on others,what do they have to lose when everybody loses their jobs ?

They still get paid.

The federal government set the 40 hour work week,the federal government set the guidelines for workplace safety,the federal government set workers comp,so exactly what is the role of the unions?

Other then being the mob and telling companies to pay X amount of dollars or risk being shut down ,just like it is in any third world dictatorship country.

[Henry Whalley]

...more than any other UAW leader in the past 50 years to bolster the union and deserves credit for it.

More than any since the assassination of Walter Reuther.

[Henry Whalley]

...workers comp

Too stupid to read [TSTR] as usual.

P.S. Unions are banned in dictatorships.

[mwilbert]

More than any since the assassination of Walter Reuther.

There can be little disagreement that he's been effective. As presumably everyone knows, the UAW has attempted to organize that plant multiple times in the past, and aside from the fact that there's a generally more pro-union vibe in the country than there has been since probably the 60s, the fact is that he's greatly increased the credibility of the UAW and made a pro-union vote much more appealing.

Of course it's one thing to win the vote, and another thing to get a contract and still another to make workers better off. But winning the vote comes first, and they've done that.

[Richard]

The UAW's focus on the South, backed by $40 million in spending,

To gain 4300 members,I wonder what the rate of return is on that ?

If it was such a great thing since sliced cheese why would somebody need spend $40 million to convince people to join ?

Just as many corruption charges under the current watch as the past in 2024 - so who is cleaning up the unions outside of the feds catching them at the cost of millions in taxpayer dollars,I think they should be looking at the unions for prosecution reimbursement costs no different then they charge anybody else.

https://news.lrionline.com/sticky-fi...nduct-in-2024/

[Henry Whalley]

[TSTR] as usual.

[Jimaz]

Duck, You Suckers: The Liberation

The Parasitic Saboteurs in Power must and will fall, inevitably.

"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."

— John F. Kennedy

[Henry Whalley]

[QUOTE=Jimaz;642007"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."[/QUOTE]

Noam Chomsky - The Crimes of U.S. Presidents
https://youtu.be/5BXtgq0Nhsc

[Jimaz]

UAW President Shawn Fain live from Detroit, MI 4/23/24

• Store.UAW.org
• UAW.org

35:29: "It's time we have to fight this battle as a global working class."

— Shawn Fain

[Henry Whalley]

"It's time we have to fight this battle as a global working class."

Shawn Fain