Campus shooting at Michigan State University

[Danny]

This is unbelievable A lone gunman walked into MSU's Berkey Hall and MSU Union Hall and open fire on anyone. Three people are dead 5 are injured.

Here is the source.

https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/...-shooter-dead/

[Jimaz]

And already we're hearing the always-asked yet never-answered "What was the motive?"

You'd think the answer would be as newsworthy as the question, even after the coverage faded away.

Why is that?

[Scottathew]

And already we're hearing the always-asked yet never-answered "What was the motive?"

Just another mentally ill person with access to a gun. It's the same story over and over again.

Guns are supposed to make us safer, yet here in the US where we've got more of them, we find ourselves near the top of the charts for gun violence deaths. It's almost as if the whole "more guns = more safe" thing is a complete and total lie...

The NRA will have its national convention in Indianapolis in April. Of course, that event will be conducted inside of a gun-free zone... because they know better...

[Rocket]

Just another mentally ill person with access to a gun.
It's almost as if the whole "more guns = more safe" thing is a complete and total lie...

No, guns aren't necessarily meant to make us safer, they're meant to keep us from tyranny, which is WAY more lethal than the occasional group shooting. Think tens or hundreds of millions dead.

A more likely reason for violence [of all types] is women being paid to have children they can't raise, combined with a closing of all the mental institutions.

[401don]

No, guns aren't necessarily meant to make us safer, they're meant to keep us from tyranny, which is WAY more lethal than the occasional group shooting. Think tens or hundreds of millions dead.

A more likely reason for violence [of all types] is women being paid to have children they can't raise, combined with a closing of all the mental institutions.

Keep mourning your thousands of murdered friends & family while you wait for your gov't to attack you.

[Gistok]

No, guns aren't necessarily meant to make us safer, they're meant to keep us from tyranny, which is WAY more lethal than the occasional group shooting. Think tens or hundreds of millions dead.

A more likely reason for violence [of all types] is women being paid to have children they can't raise, combined with a closing of all the mental institutions.

Well we can thank former governor John Engler for the closing of all the mental institutions in Michigan. Something about saving money I believe... penny wise, pound foolish...

'Tens or Hundreds of millions dead'? I must have missed that movie?

[Richard]

It was not a movie,it was a war where they rolled through countries where they rounded millions up and either slaughtered them into pits or loaded them up on box cars.

If one follows the international news,every day a place of worship is bombed where 100s die,entire classrooms of children are kidnapped,etc,we live in a violent society and with in this country 350m people,there is going to be a percentage of violent people.

Even when there was mental institutions available there was still violence,you cannot change human nature and you cannot strip everybody naked and pull all of their teeth out and cut their hands off because if they are going to commit violence they are going to find a way.

If there was an answer they would have figured it out 1000s of years ago.

When there is breaking news that does not contain all of the facts people have a tendency to look for solutions and who and what to blame.

The reality is the person to blame is the person that committed the act,the only thing after the fact is trying to understand the motivation behind it and what were the events leading up to it and it does not matter what preventive measures you implement,once they are motivated,they are going to find a way.Each person is an individual that thinks in their own frame of mind,group think or group solutions are not going to work.

Recently a teenage girl committed suicide after being beaten to the point of blacking out by other classmates in school,the school did not even bother to tell her parents even while the beating was being streamed live on social media.

Did not even make the national news,but let it involve a gun and within seconds it is international news.

Like I posted before,there is a distinct pattern in schools that have shootings and out of control violence verses ones that do not but people want to turn a blind eye to that because it fits their narrative even at the cost of innocent lives.

[Rocket]

Well we can thank former governor John Engler for the closing of all the mental institutions in Michigan. Something about saving money I believe... penny wise, pound foolish...

'Tens or Hundreds of millions dead'? I must have missed that movie?

Apparently.

When the left gets absolute power, the end is always horrific in nature.

I take it you've never heard of Stalin, Mao, Poi Pot, etc?

It has been estimated that about 110 million people, foreign and domestic, killed by leftist democide from 1900 to 1987.

Guns protect us from the left, and the genocides they have to enact to try to enforce their idiotic and unworkable social and economic ideas.

[southen]

I guess Rocket's idiotic sentiment is a step in the right direction since he didn't immediately claim this was a false flag to harm conservatives this time.

[Baselinepunk]

"No, guns aren't necessarily meant to make us safer, they're meant to keep us from tyranny, which is WAY more lethal than the occasional group shooting."

FLMAO! If you fear tyranny, like your paranoid statement reflects you are, then possessing a gun will make you feel safer. PWNED!

So which is it? Tyranny or evil, leftist, commubasstards a' comin' to pilfer your house and family? Any other "Others" out there ya wanna call out? Woke [[the Right's new dog whistle for "Thug")? Huh?! Ya got "Birth of a Nation" on perma roll morning, noon and night?

My dood -- we've tried it your way for a while now. Assault weapons ban lifted = more deaths. More guns on the hands of Americans = more deaths. Less gun control = more deaths. It's truly reflective of your character and extremally sad, that you prefer to these deaths as "the occasional group shooting". While we are at it, let's talk about the DB on your side of the aisle that recently refused to disarm in the presence of an MRI machine and then dying getting shot with their own gun. Yeah, that's YOUR guy upholding his "rights".

I know you won't be, but you should be absolutely f-ing ashamed of yourself for having said that. Consider yourself lucky that you've never have had to deal with "the phone call".

[Rocket]

Less gun control = more deaths.

You have that Exactly backwards.

The cities in the States that have the strictest gun laws also have the highest murder rate. Think NYC and Chicago. This would be considered a light weekend in Chicago.


Apparently this shooter was mid 40's? And had no known connection to Wayne State?

I wonder if he was on meds?

They released his name already.

[Jimaz]

... When the left gets absolute power, the end is always horrific in nature....

Could you put me in touch with these folks? Thanks.

They seem like they're trying not to be found. That's suspicious.

[Henry Whalley]

They seem like they're trying not to be found. That's suspicious.

My thoughts exactly. It's spooky how low-profile. Like a fart in the middle of a seance.

[Jimaz]

And already we're hearing the always-asked yet never-answered "What was the motive?"

You'd think the answer would be as newsworthy as the question, even after the coverage faded away.

Why is that?

This answers a lot:
Nearly All Mass Shooters Since 1966 Have Had 4 Things in Common

... A new Department of Justice-funded study of all mass shootings — killings of four or more people in a public place — since 1966 found that the shooters typically have an experience with childhood trauma, a personal crisis or specific grievance, and a “script” or examples that validate their feelings or provide a roadmap. And then there’s the fourth thing: access to a firearm....

• The Violence Project {Check out their database.}

[Baselinepunk]

"You have that Exactly backwards.

The cities in the States that have the strictest gun laws also have the highest murder rate. Think NYC and Chicago. This would be considered a light weekend in Chicago.

Apparently this shooter was mid 40's? And had no known connection to Wayne State?

I wonder if he was on meds?

They released his name already."

And this is all you have to say? Nothing but the same ole Republican talking points that have been peddled for close to . . . forever.

Blame mental illness when the Johnny Engler is responsible for putting those with needs in the streets. Sure, let's go there with the "mental illness" talking point: it's a shame that the Republicans who need mental care only find it in the clutches of firearms. Those who claim their little pea shooters keeps them safe from "tyranny" are just Cosplayers who forget that when it comes down to it, your weapons cache will never stand up against the might of the US military. You are completely delusional if you think you could even hang against the local police force, let alone the SWAT team, US National Guard, Military and Special Forces.

Next will be the "if there was only a teacher, good guy, toddler armed with a gun they would have been able to stop this carnage" talking point.

"And had no known connection to Wayne State?" Wow, dood! He had no connection to MSU -- WSU was never mentioned.

[Richard]

This answers a lot:
Nearly All Mass Shooters Since 1966 Have Had 4 Things in Common

• The Violence Project {Check out their database.}

Looks like the taxpayers spent a lot of money to be able to state the obvious.

Experts also say that over 90% of families are dysfunctional so by their reasoning 90 out of 100 people are potential school shooters?

[Baselinepunk]

"Experts also say that over 90% of families are dysfunctional so by their reasoning 90 out of 100 people are potential school shooters?"


As usual, the logical fallacy bot has entered the chat . . .

[Richard]

^ nice of you to announce your entry,now do you have anything of actual substance to contribute?

Seems like whenever you and another one decides to pop in the only goal is to disrupt,proud of yourself?

[Baselinepunk]

"^ nice of you to announce your entry,now do you have anything of actual substance to contribute?

Seems like whenever you and another one decides to pop in the only goal is to disrupt,proud of yourself?"

That was a totally lame retort -- so 20th Century! You really stink at this Internet stuff.

Here, I'll fix it for you: ^ nice of you to announce my [Richard] entry, please continue to make your very substantive contributions to this thread.

"Seems like whenever you and another one decides to pop in the only goal is to provide very effective counterpoints to my many current and past failed arguments, proud of yourself?"

Why yes, yes I am!

PWNED!

FLMAO!

[Danny]

The father of the suspect gunman who went on the shooting spree in MSU Campus shot himself because his mother died. Killing innocent people is his way of blaming God for his mother's death. When he was planning attacks and planning to die. He wants to take lots of innocent people with him.

Folks please understand we can't blame God for our miseries. For we had sinned and came short of the God's Glory. We depend of the false hope of the world that we slowly stop talking to Jesus. It time of all of mankind to start talking to Jesus and cast our sins to Him.


Our hearts and prayers goes out the victim's families who lost their children in our American Educational Institutions.

[royce]

Mental illness versus guns: which issue is easier to solve? And yes Governor Engler and many other republican governors dismantled state run mental institutions to save money. Also, if there has been an increase in mass shootings since the assault weapons ban was lifted, then it would appear that it's easier to reinstate the ban than bringing back state-run mental institutions, at least in the foreseeable future. Oh, and the fallacy that having guns will keep us safe from "tyranny" is shortsighted. As someone said earlier, the fact that the police, swat team, national guard, and U.S. military have far more firepower than any one American citizen, why bother owning an assault weapon? The fact that there are so many Americans who are okay with "collateral damage" just as long as they can own assault weapons is just sad. Well, that's my two cents.

[ABetterDetroit]

Tax semi-automatic weapons significantly at production and import. Tax ammunition. Raise the funds necessary for law enforcement and mental health to pay for these never ending very expensive tragedies.

[Henry Whalley]

Tax semi-automatic weapons significantly at production and import. Tax ammunition. Raise the funds necessary for law enforcement and mental health to pay for these never ending very expensive tragedies.

Good idea. It's been said [by Willard Van Orman Quine?] that the lottery is a tax on stupidity. Likewise, gun fetishism ought to be a tax on stupidity and penis envy.

[Rock N Rye]

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s...ables/table-20

Why the obsession with assault rifles when all types of rifles are used in less than 3% of murders. There was also no assault rifle in Oxford or MSU.

[401don]

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s...ables/table-20

Why the obsession with assault rifles when all types of rifles are used in less than 3% of murders. There was also no assault rifle in Oxford or MSU.

Maybe because absolutely nobody needs to own one.