Detroit/ Michigan November 8th 2022 Election Results/ News...

[Henry Whalley]

I think many Detroiter's will have some second-thoughts as policies roll out over the next few years.

I'm not sure what you mean, but your point about low-resolution thing is well-taken. It occurs to me though that parents of school children who are chronically absent aren't going to be paying attention to policy roll outs.

[Zacha341]

Yep. Most problems with students stem from what's going on [or doesn't] in the home [or wherever they may be 'staying']. Living situations are often very unstable. The most attentive of parents are struggling against a culture that side-tracks students from the learning process.

The long-lock downs had an impact as well on some, as the still developing brain of students were awash in online gaming, and social-media content [including porn] dimming their ability to concentrate - focus on education, or remain consistent to in-person learning [attendance].

This isn't a schooling issue, this is a parenting [or complete lack thereof] issue.

[Zacha341]

Here are examples: The same parents tuned out re. attendance may become suddenly very WOKE [pardon the pun] if some of the gender/ trans ideologies are authoritatively applied to their K8-12 children as in other states.

Or, for example here in Michigan, Detroit, we currently have quite lenient vehicle emission controls policies. Let's see how Detroiter's respond/ cope when told their older car cannot be driven [registrations renewed] unless passing hard emission tests?

An oxygen sensor can kick an engine light on if cat convertor is even a bit off. Some cars have multiple cats - costing well over the value of a used car to replace. Umm, who drives used cars the most?

How do many children get to schools in the city?

Let me stop now! Hah. Don't want to give Lansing any more ideas of control. Controls [handling] that inevitably impact the poor most!

I'm not sure what you mean, but your point about low-resolution thing is well-taken. It occurs to me though, that parents of school children who are chronically absent aren't going to be paying attention to policy roll outs.

[Henry Whalley]

Most problems with students stem from what's going on [or doesn't] in the home...

Agreed, but neither Washington, nor Lansing, nor counties, nor municipalities, nor universities, nor think tanks, nor NGOs, nor the U.N., etc., can fix homelife. Indeed, life itself is what governments can't fix. I've said it before, but large problems are called "social problems" for the simple reason that they can't be solved. Sad but true IMHO.

[Richard]

That’s the truth,Osceola county in next to Orlando tried a program where if a student missed 3 un-excused school days in 60 days they would arrest the parents,they arrested a few in order to set an example but the experiment did not last long.

Do not pay child support and you can be put in jail for not supporting your children as a measure of forced compliance.

Everything else that surrounds supporting and being responsible for your children holds the parent responsible legally or criminally,can you withhold public benefits if one has a chronically absent child from school?

But even at that if the child does not want to be there and causes constant disruptions for everybody else as a result,maybe it is better that they are not there.

It takes a community but are there really any communities in that sense left anymore?

Some cities used to have truancy officers that used to track them down but do not know if that is still around.I am sure it is something they can throw millions of dollars at in order to have studies in order to figure it out with no results.

[Cincinnati_Kid]

Orange Julius is a drag on GOP candidates. I can't wait till Satan drags him down to hell.

^^This..

[Richard]

Good thing everything is just going swimmingly now,shows what the country can achieve when it makes good policy decisions.

Look at the silver lining,it’s only costing the average family an extra $400 per month to not have to deal with oranges,people get so caught up with oranges they forget what happens when onions get close to their eyes like what is happening now.

[Henry Whalley]

^^This..

I can only wish <<

[Zacha341]

I agree. A government authoritarian enough to ENFORCE how parents manage their children's attendance is more dangerous than absenteeism.

The interest and pursuit of Education is a value like others. Can't be mandated unless you submit to a surveillance state and all that attends. But it IS influenced, prioritized and affirmed, or not, by the general culture. We have clearly other priorities beyond even core education now.

You have college students reading/ writing well below average. Math proficiency? STEM areas are now having their technical requirements deemphasized for equity. Other nations are surpassing us on many levels [especially technology]. How will we compete?

Agreed, but neither Washington, nor Lansing, nor counties, nor municipalities, nor universities, nor think tanks, nor NGOs, nor the U.N., etc., can fix homelife. Indeed, life itself is what governments can't fix. I've said it before, but large problems are called "social problems" for the simple reason that they can't be solved. Sad but true IMHO.

[Rocket]

Agreed, but neither Washington, nor Lansing, nor counties, nor municipalities, nor universities, nor think tanks, nor NGOs, nor the U.N., etc., can fix homelife. Indeed, life itself is what governments can't fix. I've said it before, but large problems are called "social problems" for the simple reason that they can't be solved. Sad but true IMHO.

I disagree.

Leftist policies intentionally caused this crisis. Yes it would take a couple generations to correct, but the sooner we start, the less suffering we will need to endure.

Much of this started with Johnson's Great Society. Schemes meant to keep blacks poor and voting Democrat plunged the percent of black children born to married parents from 76% to just 24%.

The statistics Pres Obama listed for us outline the disastrous results of all that.

The result are truly tragic.

[Richard]

I agree. A government authoritarian enough to ENFORCE how parents manage their children's attendance is more dangerous than absenteeism.

The interest and pursuit of Education is a value like others. Can't be mandated unless you submit a surveillance state and all that attends. But it IS influenced, prioritized and affirmed, or not, by the general culture. We have clearly other priorities beyond even core education now.

You have college students reading/ writing below average. Math proficiency? STEM areas are now having their technical requirements deemphasized for equity. Other nations are surpassing us on many levels [especially technology]. How will we compete?

it is easy to compete,just import the educated like we have been doing,they even expect a lower wage as a bonus.

[Henry Whalley]

Johnson's Great Society initiative was an abject failure. But isn't it over? IIRC Clinton killed it in his first term.

[Zacha341]

Got it. Fewer jobs for existing citizens. And the expanding government will crank out welfare and a bit more EBT until........

it is easy to compete, just import the educated like we have been doing, they even expect a lower wage as a bonus.

[Richard]

Got it. Fewer jobs for existing citizens. And the expanding government will crank out welfare and bit more EBT until........

We have spent 22 trillion on the war on poverty and never even lowered the level of poverty.

We will get what we desire,you will either be rich or dirt poor just like it is in every other 3rd world country,politicians do not care,they have a shelf life,the people do not care because they keep supporting the politicians that make the screwed up policies that make them look good during their shelf life where they personally take in millions.

You do not make money off of the rich,you make money off of the poor,the more poor you have the more programs you can implement to help the poor that are run by friends and family.

Its never really been about helping the poor,it’s about using the poor as pawns for profit and looking good in the process.

In cities like Detroit there is a hell of a lot more money to be made while keeping people below the poverty line then there is by bringing them up above it,that’s why a majority of cities are in a similar situation.

But yay our polices are working so good that’s why we keep supporting the same old,because it keeps us from getting bored while dodging bullets and high crime,while people are perplexed as to why nothing ever changes.

Besides they are not really poor,the dealers made billions selling heroin and crack in the inner cities and not the suburbs,that’s alot of cash floating around.

As a for instance.

The speaker of the house has represented a district that includes Oakland that has an 18% poverty level and every other ill Detroit has,she has been in that position sense 1987 and has been unable to change anything,what does it tell you that when one of the most powerful person in the county cannot even make changes in their own district in over 25 years of being in a position to do exactly that but has not,but her wealth has increase by 120 million in the same time frame.

There is a direct correlation between a politicians rise to wealth as the district’s that they represent increases in poverty rates.

Thats why when you get a politician that wants to change that,they go into full attack mode against them and creates enemies out of them in the public eye.

They do not like people messing with the system,it hits them in their pocketbook of self interest.

[Zacha341]

^ And let's not forget corporate welfare where the appointed and elite carve off their loot from the top!

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