GOP's candidate for Michigan's Secretary of State is Karamo of Oak Park?

[Henry Whalley]

What does all this nonsense have to do with the GOP SOS candidate of Oak Park?

Karamo is a floater in the shit flood.

[southen]

Richard was the guy back in the day who would read the National Inquirer and think it was true. Now he does the same thing with flimsy conservative media sources. Satanists now? I would love to see the diagrams you undoubtedly have hanging in your garage linking all the crazy together.

[Bong-Man]

Karamo is a floater in the shit flood.

If the 'shit flood' is your definition of yet another member of the christian taliban, I agree with you. The 'live like us' crowd that likes to ban books & words, that invoke invisible spirits from above and below, and somehow completely forgot about the importance of the separation of church & state they were supposed to have in their mental back pocket from 5th, 8th, 10th grade and beyond. These people aren't any different than the morons of the past who couldn't make you go to their church on Sunday, but damn if we'll let you buy anything to drink while we're attending. It's like the recent case of the 'praying football coach'. I'm waiting to see their reaction when a Muslim coach brings out their blanket and gets on 'two knees' towards mecca before and after the game.

Moral questions aren't necessarily legal ones. They insist an 'invisible man' is the 3rd party in the abortion debate. There are only two, the mother and the state. Neither is perfect, but the Mother wins in every instance. They don't see it that way, but I don't have any plans to live forever, and I didn't see Malibu Jesus in my toast this morning.

[Henry Whalley]

[QUOTE=Bong-Man;626685... the recent case of the 'praying football coach'.[/QUOTE]

Bong, my guess is that SCOTUS intends to allow only Christian prayers.

P.S. I think all politicians are like turds that float to the top of the bowl. I just hold my nose and vote for the ones who believe in the peaceful transition of power, and the rest of the Constitution.

[Richard]

^ that’s the jist of it,it does not matter who they are personally,it’s the policies they support that effect people.

The praying coach is an example of how people twist things around to fit a narrative.

The only thing that was decided was the coach had a right to pray on his own time.

Because that is what he was doing,he was not forcing the whole stadium to watch him pray or pray with him.

[Zacha341]

I'm not in favor of a Theocracy, or Shariah, or Secular governance.

Having said that I'm noting increasing intolerance of public Christianity [symbols and activities therein] in broad-strokes. Some will not be happy until every cross is removed / knocked off every monument from every graveyard. Hah!

Bong, my guess is that SCOTUS intends to allow only Christian prayers.

[Gistok]

^ Or with the new right leaning Supreme Court... investing in public nativity set Stocks might be a wise investment.

And then there'll likely be an increase in Born Again Christian Cruises... with the Last Supper buffets... and "Gunning for God"... where you you write your sins on clay pigeons, and blast them off the ship [with shotguns] using shells filled with all the Lords forgiveness.... BAM!

[Henry Whalley]

Having said that I'm noting increasing intolerance of public Christianity...

Seriously?

[Richard]

^ Or with the new right leaning Supreme Court... investing in public nativity set Stocks might be a wise investment.

And then there'll likely be an increase in Born Again Christian Cruises... with the Last Supper buffets... and "Gunning for God"... where you you write your sins on clay pigeons, and blast them off the ship [with shotguns] using shells filled with all the Lords forgiveness.... BAM!

Where do you get Right Leaning Supreme Court from ?

Their job is to interpret and support and protect the constitution as written.

Thats the oath they take,just because you cannot change it at will or do not agree with it,does not mean that it is useless.

The constitution allows equal protections for everybody,you cannot add something that only applies to or benefits one group.

When did it become a right wing thing for somebody to be able to pray to their god on their own time?

Or are you saying those in the left do not pray,only right wingers do?

You can not pick and choose,you cannot guarantee one group a right that another group is physically incapable of in order to have that right in the first place.

The constitution does not distinguish between,man,woman,black white or purple everybody is equal under it,or supposed to be anyways.

The constitution sets the base then gives the individual states the right to be self regulated and tweak their individual state constitutions because they are closer to the people.

Thats what really pisses people off,the constitution is the one thing that will always prevent this country from evolving into a socialist dictatorship,and that is exactly why it was written as it was.

They spend more time trying to destroy it then they do actually trying to learn it.

It was amended with the voting rights act,they did not say African Americans deserve the right to vote,they said because African Americans are U.S. citizens they are also protected under the constitution that says everybody is to be treated equal.

Because at that time some states [[Dem) were denying those rights under the self rule clause,so it had to be clarified because it also involved federal elections.

[Zacha341]

YES, here we've the assumption that all Christians are right-winged. How are themed cruises a condemnation to anyone not interested?

Right! Yes, there's mocking and scorning - rarely done to Muslims of course, interestingly. And while what you described can be associated with some Christians or doctrinally [such as being 'Born Again' as fabric of orthodoxy, ethos, etc.] do we gain any legitimate dialogue with mocking as a starting point? Especially considering that ideology, doctrine and orthodoxy is not EXCLUSIVE to Christians. Let it also be noted there's a hard move of the left in education [bringing forth their orthodoxy], especially at the college level.

Hang on folks! Hah! It's gonna be a bumpy ride as too often people become who they were initially going after - in the interest of correction.

^ Or with the new right leaning Supreme Court... investing in public nativity set Stocks might be a wise investment.

And then there'll likely be an increase in Born Again Christian Cruises... with the Last Supper buffets... and "Gunning for God"... where you you write your sins on clay pigeons, and blast them off the ship [with shotguns] using shells filled with all the Lords forgiveness.... BAM!

[Richard]

^ the irony in that is people go into debt for the privilege of being indoctrinated instead of being educated,then demand everybody else pay for it.

Thats the capitalism part because in other countries they just simply arrest you,indoctrinate you then release you,for free.

Nothing new though,there has been a collage in California that teaches marxist values along with the education and has been sense the 60s.

[Zacha341]

It would not happen that everyone would notice the increase, or even care.

Seriously?

Having said that I'm noting increasing intolerance of public Christianity...

[Zacha341]

The proof is in-the-pudding as they say! In that enrollment [withstanding the COVID shut-downs drop] is down in some four-year colleges. And the 'studies' departments are seeing some fall off as well.

Two-year colleges are doing much better. Along with skills-trade schools.

...Nothing new though, there has been a collage in California that teaches marxist values along with the education and has been since the 60s.

[Gistok]

YES, here we've the assumption that all Christians are right-winged. How are themed cruises a condemnation to anyone not interested in attending?

Not all Christians are right wing... and the cruise was from an episode of The Big Bang Theory, where Sheldon's mother talked about her Born Again Christian cruise...

[Zacha341]

^ Gee, thanks. I may now go forward with my day happily redeemed......

[Gistok]

Where do you get Right Leaning Supreme Court from ?

Now that is funny...

[Jimaz]

Now that is funny...

Maybe he meant that it's not just leaning anymore because it has toppled all the way over.

[jcole]

If only they could topple Clarence right over the edge.

Maybe he meant that it's not just leaning anymore because it has toppled all the way over.

[southen]

The constitution does not distinguish between,man,woman,black white or purple everybody is equal under it,or supposed to be anyways.

Thats what really pisses people off,the constitution is the one thing that will always prevent this country from evolving into a socialist dictatorship,and that is exactly why it was written as it was.

You've said this bullshit to yourself enough times that you actually think its true now. The constitution 100% did distinguish between race and color. Valuing a black person as 3/5ths the value of a white one is distinguishing between the two. Not enshrining a woman's right to vote is distinguishing between the two. That is why amendments have been made. How you can simultaneously act like it is some infallible document and the only thing keeping us from slipping into "communism" while also admitting that it has had to be amended to make sure everyone was treated equally is beyond me. It is meant to be amended and updated with the times. The right however treats it like the ten commandments and the word of gods versus slave owning white men who catered the document to their benefit.

I also love how they tried to keep us from a socialist dictatorship. Man here I was thinking they were trying to get away from a monarchy where they lacked representation. Who knew that they would be writing this document to combat Bernie Sanders a couple hundred years later. Maybe they were godlike...

[southen]

Right! Yes, there's mocking and scorning - rarely done to Muslims of course, interestingly.

You can't possibly be serious. Ever see what the right says about Ilhan Omar? Ever read the comment section of a story that mentions Dearborn? I've said this before. Put a few Islamic judges on the Supreme Court and see how the country reacts when THEIR religious views are guiding the court. If Christians focused on their own beliefs instead of trying to mold the entire country to their's you might see less pushback. If that religion was built on blatant hypocrisy in this country you wouldn't see anyone say a word, but everything is a war on Christmas, a war on Christianity. For a group that often accuses they left side of the spectrum as having a "victim mentality" they sure do claim to be persecuted constantly.

[Richard]

^ Omar was recently booed and told to go home while appearing in front of a large crowd of fellow Somalis,maybe not a good example to use as it was not a gathering of right wingers.

Immigrants as a whole have a better finger on the pulse of what they escaped from,verses what some feel is an desirable way of life,they are a little bit more harder to pull the wool over their eyes.

[Richard]

Richard was the guy back in the day who would read the National Inquirer and think it was true. Now he does the same thing with flimsy conservative media sources. Satanists now? I would love to see the diagrams you undoubtedly have hanging in your garage linking all the crazy together.

This is an example of how people make things up in their mind and use that in order to compile a completely false narrative.

Start with,I have never even read the National Inquirer because everybody already knew it was the equivalent of the Babylon Bee of today,so didn’t waste time.

If you said Spy verses Spy or Mad magazine and ran from their you might have had some basis.

I cannot have anything hanging on the walls of the garage,because I do not have a garage in this house and the other one is so packed with cars and other crap you cannot even see the walls let alone get in there to hang anything on them.

If you are looking for crazy,look in the mirror,let me guess,you should have a right to that house because it sits empty and housing is a right.

[Zacha341]

Yep. Many immigrants, migrants, et al also tend to be more conservative, yet not of the GOP 'type' brand [which we're told is the embodiment of ALL conservatism - of course untrue]. This a factor not fully considered re. unquestioning dem support. Similar to some faith-affirming Christians, many Muslims for example, are not in support of having their children exposed to sexual topics and presentations at young ages or indoctrinated to some of the extreme woke teachings found in some of our suburban public schools.

They have the heads-up, invested advantage; some already opting for private religious schooling [Madras etc]. So they're not as vocal [yet] as parents captive to public education at higher percentages. It'll be interesting indeed, locally, to see who they privately vote for re. the new MI, SOS candidate.

Immigrants as a whole have a better finger on the pulse of what they escaped from, verses what some feel is a desirable way of life, they are a little bit more harder to pull the wool over their eyes.

[Zacha341]

Very serious. I'm fully aware of the prejudice/ racism Muslims face having worked of Dearborn - within that community many years.

However, and concurrently, many of the platforms and ideologies of the far left are NOT endorsed by Muslims mainstream. Especially re. their family values. Sure, for political power, some from many 'groups' may and are making 'woke' noises and proclamations as Omar does. That's populous and affirmed. Yet we now have push back against her - not just the right-winged.

Again, not just a few Muslim's share some of same cultural values some active Christian do. And they are NOT nearly as criticized or 'check-boxed' for holding those same views and values because they're yet considered an oppressed 'group' and spared from such. Thus the silence.

In any event they'll not be cowered down re. their faith. As some are recent immigrants 'name-calling' is light stuff! And too much criticism will not be tolerated, from those advancing such upon them, or otherwise.

The push-back against secular orthodoxy reflects its heavy-handed prosthelytizing in progress, therein. Ironically similar to the 'religions' it claims to free us of. I am not inclined to a theocratic, shariah, or secular authoritarian governance. We already know how that works out.

You can't possibly be serious. Ever see what the right says about Ilhan Omar? Ever read the comment section of a story that mentions Dearborn? I've said this before. Put a few Islamic judges on the Supreme Court and see how the country reacts when THEIR religious views are guiding the court. If Christians focused on their own beliefs instead of trying to mold the entire country to their's you might see less pushback. If that religion was built on blatant hypocrisy in this country you wouldn't see anyone say a word, but everything is a war on Christmas, a war on Christianity. For a group that often accuses they left side of the spectrum as having a "victim mentality" they sure do claim to be persecuted constantly.

[Richard]

You see what has been happening across the world,Shi Lanka collapse when CC kicked in,no nitrogen to grow the crops,no food people starve and revolt.

The Netherlands accelerated their CC agenda and the farmers are in revolt because it was to much to fast and they are having to lose their farms to the government,Netherlands was the 2nd largest food production in the world behind the U.S.

The trucker strike in Canada and in the U.S. and now where in Cali 70,000 truckers jobs are at risk.

Revolting and protests in France based on the same thing.

What is happening is a disconnect between politicians and the ruling class who base their momentum on ideology and the working class who base their momentum on Nationalism and religion.

The ruling class and politicians kids do not go to public schools,shop at Wal mart,have to protect themselves from crime,pay for their own gas so they are completely isolated and disconnected from the realities facing the average citizen.

That is why Tru do had zero problems calling truckers hero’s one day and Nazis the next it’s because he does not even have a clue as to what their plight actually is,nor did he care.

You see it here and like I posted across the globe the automatic reaction is to look for the enemy,they are right wingers,Nazis,religious freaks,Trump supporters,nationalists or any other word that they can come up with as an excuse.

Those taking their clues from their so called leaders and spreading ideology over reality,you do not realize that you are digging your own hole?

You are the ones that will and do pay the price,people are forgetting who all of those politicians actually work for and represent,you are not a tool for them to spread their agendas and ideologies so stop being one.

The ones pushing discourse based on a dream of a socialist/marxist/commy dream,look at history,if that actually became a reality,you are already dead,there is no trophy that comes with that accomplishment only a grave.

When Stalin took power 1938-39 he rounded up 1 million,all the heads in the communist party,all of the law makers,all the priests,all the top people in education,all of the highly educated they were all rounded up and systematically tortured and shot in the head,the wife’s of the ones closest to Stalin all they had to do is point a finger at you and say you were an enemy of the state and you were shot on the spot.

It is the only way they can have that power,you help them get into power and you are the first one to go,your loyalty does not deflect lead.

There is no rainbow at the end of that tunnel.

It does not matter who we are,Democrat,Republican,independent,the rest do not matter,but we all reach for that pump,go to the grocery store,go to work,send our kids to school,we are all in that same boat together and we all rise and sink at the same level,why allow those with alternative agendas to pit us against each other? That’s what they want,they do not give a crap about you or I ,all they are out for is power and the ability to disconnect themselves from the reality’s that we face every day.

In Detroit specifically,remember 4 years ago all of those politicians that were in front of the cameras everyday screaming about how they are looking out for your best interests?

Where are they now ? When was the last time you heard anything from them ? They did what they wanted to do,set in motion the ability to find an enemy for you so they could save you from them,and then rode off into the sunset.

How is that working out for you now?

The redistricting put Talib in control over the majority of the city of Detroit,she is your representative,when was the last time you heard from her ?

Is she in front of that cameras like before looking out for her people that she represents and saying,hey we need to do something about these gas prices,food costs,inflation or even a pothole?

No she got what she wanted from you and pissed off,quiet as a church mouse out the back door.

Do you know when you will hear from her again? When it comes time to vote and then she will be your best friend again.