Will You USE Blended Ethanol Gas in Your Car? Will it help?

[EASTSIDER BALDUCK]

This is just flat out wrong. It takes more than 2 gallons of petroleum to make a gallon of gasoline. So if you're right that it takes slightly more than a gallon of petroleum to make ethanol, then it uses HALF the amount of petroleum, not more.

Petrol yield is 70% from Texas Sweet.

[Rocket]

This is just flat out wrong. It takes more than 2 gallons of petroleum to make a gallon of gasoline. So if you're right that it takes slightly more than a gallon of petroleum to make ethanol, then it uses HALF the amount of petroleum, not more.

They use the rest of the gallon of petroleum to make other things.

Think Diesel, Jet Fuel, Asphalt, Plastics, some of the clothes you may be wearing, etc.

Using more than a gallon of diesel for instance to make a gallon of ethanol is insane. And that's before you factor in that ethanol is less dense, meaning we actually increase our use of petroleum by perhaps 15% in doing it.

Also we further strip the land of the necessary minerals that are supposed to be in our food, and we waste horrific amounts of water irrigating crops used for ethanol, while many places are having water shortages.

Destructive insanity, whose only purpose is to get votes for politicians in Iowa's early primary.

[Honky Tonk]

They use the rest of the gallon of petroleum to make other things.

Think Diesel, Jet Fuel, Asphalt, Plastics, some of the clothes you may be wearing, etc.

Using more than a gallon of diesel for instance to make a gallon of ethanol is insane. And that's before you factor in that ethanol is less dense, meaning we actually increase our use of petroleum by perhaps 15% in doing it.

Also we further strip the land of the necessary minerals that are supposed to be in our food, and we waste horrific amounts of water irrigating crops used for ethanol, while many places are having water shortages.

Destructive insanity, whose only purpose is to get votes for politicians in Iowa's early primary.

Plus, as posted earlier, your mileage will go down using an Ethanol blend. So, you're getting fewer mpg, filling up more frequently, and the environmental impact problems increase.

[Richard]

It’s a hedge though is it not?

Most probably do not remember the gas shortages in the 70s,and if you notice it gains support when gas prices are high.

It’s that card you pull when others think they have you over a barrel and allows the output to increase while using less petroleum,it’s basically stretching a gallon into 1.5 gallons,across the broader scope of a country it translates into billions of gallons and offsets the economic impact that high fuel costs brings.

One could take it off the table completely,but the next time the cost of fuel increases we end up with little choice but to reach deep.

[canuck]

It’s a hedge though is it not?

Most probably do not remember the gas shortages in the 70s,and if you notice it gains support when gas prices are high.

It’s that card you pull when others think they have you over a barrel and allows the output to increase while using less petroleum,it’s basically stretching a gallon into 1.5 gallons,across the broader scope of a country it translates into billions of gallons and offsets the economic impact that high fuel costs brings.

One could take it off the table completely,but the next time the cost of fuel increases we end up with little choice but to reach deep.

Don’t reach deep, just wide. Do like in Alberta where it takes a gallon to produce two gallons of petroleum. Don’t even look at how much water you use to steam it out of the tar sands.

[Richard]

Don’t reach deep, just wide. Do like in Alberta where it takes a gallon to produce two gallons of petroleum. Don’t even look at how much water you use to steam it out of the tar sands.

But yet push EVs with zero consideration as to the environmental damage it is doing.

When you use steam,you heat up water into steam,when the steam cools down it turns back into water.

In 2019 alone Google used 2.9 billion gallons of water for 3 data centers,California has 248 data centers alone,50 in Michigan.

I will let you do the math on water usage required for green energy development that is stacked on top of those data centers.

There are countries where every person and household is dependent strictly on the use of cisterns and the collection of rain fall,but when you become a nation of consumers,that’s all you do is consume resources.

[Honky Tonk]

If anyone feels like some reading, look up black lake China. I like the article by the BBC. It'll give you some insight into what happens with all this green tech we're now using.

[jcole]

It's the sludge left after rare earth mining, which mines minerals used in all tech, not just green tech. What does that have to do with ethanol? What's more disturbing is that it's ruining the areas regular water supply.

If anyone feels like some reading, look up black lake China. I like the article by the BBC. It'll give you some insight into what happens with all this green tech we're now using.

[Zacha341]

Well gas prices are heading back up, UP [$3.89 at the gas station on Woodward and Forest yesterday evening]!

Good times at the pump. Thankfully our cars don't take the high octane gas and one is a small compact car!

When possible we gas-up in Dearborn which tends to be about 40 cent lower. We'll see how that goes today.

[Honky Tonk]

Well gas prices are heading back up, UP [$3.89 at the gas station on Woodward and Forest yesterday evening]!

Good times at the pump. Thankfully our cars don't take the high octane gas and one is a small compact car!

When possible we gas-up in Dearborn which tends to be about 40 cent lower. We'll see how that goes today.

MI Ave. & Greenfield was at $3.28 a few days ago. The Total on MI Ave., just East of Greenfield, was at $3.29. 8 Mile, East of Telegraph, had 2 stations, one a BP, at $3.14 Saturday.
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[Zacha341]

^ I'm nearly on E heading to that Greenfield/ Michigan station shortly.

Prices are probably near 4 dollars in say Troy or Rochester. Or that downtown Detroit station at Jefferson and the 75 exit!

Closer to the refineries is lower [heading downriver such as Dearborn]!

[Jimaz]

detroitgasprices.com shows $2.45 at Meijer, 1005 E 13 Mile Rd & Milton Ave. 24 hours ago but that almost seems too good to be true.

[Richard]

You guys are lucky ours is at $3.69 and tops out at $4.38 premium,the strange part is Diesel is $3.79 where it is usually $1 more than regular gas .

[Zacha341]

I make sure not to purchase cars that take premium gas! No way.

It was crazy at the small station at Michigan near Greenfield. Almost backed up on Michigan Ave for bit. I had my tiny-tot car and able to slide up to a pump.

Regular gas was $3.29 cash.

[ABetterDetroit]

There is a lot of misinformation floating around mostly because of politics. Anyway, as always the prices at the pump has to do with high demand and demand is always high when the economy is doing well.

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oi...w-to-OPEC.html

[MikeM]

Insightful blog that can be read free of charge for a week:

Unintended Consequences - Plan To Boost E15 Gasoline Will Have Big Impact On Refiners, Retailers, Drivers

The Environmental Protection Agency has approved a request by governors from eight Corn Belt states to remove a summertime waiver for Reid Vapor Pressure [[RVP) included in the Clean Air Act [[CAA) for E10 gasoline, a 90/10 blend of petroleum-derived gasoline blendstock and ethanol. The motive for the governors’ request was a desire to increase sales of E15 gasoline and, by extension, boost ethanol/corn demand by putting it on the same summertime footing as E10. In granting the approval, the EPA conceded that the distribution system wasn’t ready for the change. In today’s RBN blog, we look at the decision and the impact it will have on refiners, retailers and drivers, and how it is likely to work against the Biden administration’s plans to keep a lid on gasoline prices...

Michigan is not one of the eight states

[Richard]

From my post March 27 our mid grade has gone up to $4.10

Gotta get the votes from the corn husker states.

Which is getting interesting when it comes to those belt states and farmers,water - they are putting meters on people’s wells and charging.

Forcing anybody who has a farm animal to have a waste containment system for them.

Even if you have one,chicken,cow,pig,goat etc it will cost you $100k to build the system,which is interesting to see how it will effect Michigan farmers in the future,they may just take the lead in corn production.