Glenn Beck using 9/11

[ccbatson]

DC fire and rescue estimates for safety and staffing purposes in a limited area of concern. Photo comparisons put it north of 120K.

However, for the libs, this estimate is a pack of lies, it was a handful of irrelevant kooks that you need not worry about.

[elganned]

And for the Randroids it was the beginning of a groundswell reactionary revolution, to coin a phrase. Oh, well. Guess we'll all find out if we wait long enough.

[Detroitej72]

DC fire and rescue says 60-70k. Even the right wing blogosphere has noted the areal photos were fake...and likely from the promise keepers march in 2004 The curious absence of buildings that should be there was a dead giveaway. But Beck still says 1.7 million. I mean c'mon.

Hey, facts be damned.

We gotta give those ditto heads credit for still [[falsely)believing the propaganda that their dear leaders serve with the kool-aid!

[ghettopalmetto]

DC fire and rescue says 60-70k. Even the right wing blogosphere has noted the areal photos were fake...and likely from the promise keepers march in 2004 The curious absence of buildings that should be there was a dead giveaway. But Beck still says 1.7 million. I mean c'mon.

HA! You couldn't fit 1.7 million people on the Mall if you tried.

I guess Glenn Beck gets his stats from the same people who claim that 1 million people attend the Red Wings Stanley Cup parades in downtown Detroit.

[barnesfoto]

The sick cult is using faked photos again? Surprise, suprise!..Reminds me of the time the conservocrites posted photos of "calm streets in Eye-Rack" on one of their websites, only problem was the streets of "Eye-Rack" had signs in Turkish...[[because the photo was actually a photo of calm streets in Turkey)

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/wash...is-a-fake.htmllink to fake photos of Eye-Rack, actually Turkey:

http://www.democraticunderground.com...ess=364x776401

[Pam]

So true Pam, we should disregard the, now confirmed, hundreds of thousands of these people.

Huh? Are you agreeing with me that they are clueless? They should be disregarded except for the ones threatening violence. They should be visited by the Secret Service.

[rb336]

So true Pam, we should disregard the, now confirmed, hundreds of thousands of these people.

confirmed -- hahahahaha -- that the right wingers are pathological liars. 60K. Tops.

DC fire and rescue estimates for safety and staffing purposes in a limited area of concern. Photo comparisons put it north of 120K.

photo comparisons by whom? some "university, I don't remember which one" [[paraphrased from Beck)?

oh, btw, by your own statement you gave the lie to yourself. where is 120k = "hundreds of thousands" hell, the last pot rally drew more than 150k

[bailey]

Well...now we know where the crazy comes from....

On Saturday, I spent the afternoon with America's new breed of angry conservative. Up to 75,000 protesters had gathered in Washington on Sept. 12, the day after the eighth anniversary of the World Trade Center attacks, sporting the now familiar tea-bagger accoutrements of "Don't Tread on Me" T-shirts, Revolutionary War outfits and Obama-the-Joker placards. The male-skewing, nearly all-white throng had come to denounce the president and what they believe is his communist-fascist agenda.

Even if the turnout wasn't the 2 million that some conservatives tried, briefly, to claim, it was still enough to fill the streets near the Capitol. It was also ample testament to the strength of a certain strain of right-wing populist rage and the talking head who has harnessed it. The masses were summoned by Glenn Beck, Fox News host and organizer of the 912 Project, the civic initiative he pulled together six months ago to restore America to the sense of purpose and unity it had felt the day after the towers fell.

In reality, however, the so-called 912ers were summoned to D.C. by the man who changed Beck's life, and that helps explain why the movement is not the nonpartisan lovefest that Beck first sold on air with his trademark tears. Beck has created a massive meet-up for the disaffected, paranoid Palin-ite "death panel" wing of the GOP, those ideologues most susceptible to conspiracy theories and prone to latch on to eccentric distortions of fact in the name of opposing "socialism." In that, they are true disciples of the late W. Cleon Skousen, Beck's favorite writer and the author of the bible of the 9/12 movement, "The 5,000 Year Leap." A once-famous anti-communist "historian," Skousen was too extreme even for the conservative activists of the Goldwater era, but Glenn Beck has now rescued him from the remainder pile of history, and introduced him to a receptive new audience.

Anyone who has followed Beck will recognize the book's title. Beck has been furiously promoting "The 5,000 Year Leap" for the past year, a push that peaked in March when he launched the 912 Project. .... The book tops Beck's 912 Project "required reading" list, and is routinely sold at 912 Project meetings where guest speakers often use it as their primary source material. At one 912 meet-up I attended in Florida, copies were stacked high on a table against the back wall, available for the 912 nice price of $15. "Don't bother trying to get it at the library," one 912er told me. "The wait list is 40 deep."

What has Beck been pushing on his legions? "Leap," first published in 1981, is a heavily illustrated and factually challenged attempt to explain American history through an unspoken lens of Mormon theology. As such, it is an early entry in the ongoing attempt by the religious right to rewrite history. Fundamentalists want to define the United States as a Christian nation rather than a secular republic, and recasting the Founding Fathers as devout Christians guided by the Bible rather than deists inspired by the French and English philosophers. "Leap" argues that the U.S. Constitution is a godly document above all else, based on natural law, and owes more to the Old and New Testaments than to the secular and radical spirit of the Enlightenment. It lists 28 fundamental beliefs -- based on the sayings and writings of Moses, Jesus, Cicero, John Locke, Montesquieu and Adam Smith -- that Skousen says have resulted in more God-directed progress than was achieved in the previous 5,000 years of every other civilization combined. The book reads exactly like what it was until Glenn Beck dragged it out of Mormon obscurity: a textbook full of aggressively selective quotations intended for conservative religious schools like Utah's George Wythe University, where it has been part of the core freshman curriculum for decades [[and where Beck spoke at this year's annual fundraiser).

But more interesting than the contents of "The 5,000 Year Leap," and more revealing for what it says about 912ers and the Glenn Beck Nation, is the book's author. W. Cleon Skousen was not a historian so much as a player in the history of the American far right; less a scholar of the republic than a threat to it. At least, that was the judgment of J. Edgar Hoover's FBI, which maintained a file on Skousen for years that eventually totaled some 2,000 pages. Before he died in 2006 at the age of 92, Skousen's own Mormon church publicly distanced itself from the foundation that Skousen founded and that has published previous editions of "The 5,000 Year Leap."...

When the Mormons think you are too far right, you've really set the bar.
rest of the article here:
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/20...sen/print.html

[ccbatson]

Exactly...marginalize and alienate those fringe people....don't worry, that will not fuel their fires and increase their numbers.

[elganned]

Exactly...marginalize and alienate those fringe people....don't worry, that will not fuel their fires and increase their numbers.

Their fires can't be fueled by outside influence...they're self-induced and self-sustaining. As to increase their numbers? Time will tell.

[rb336]

Exactly...marginalize and alienate those fringe people....don't worry, that will not fuel their fires and increase their numbers.

we've been trying for years, but you still keep coming back. I know you don't think you are one of those "fringe" people, but people once thought earth was the center of the universe, then they thought it was in the middle of the milky way, know we know it is simply circling an unspectacular star on the fringe of the galaxy.
you are simply revolving around an unspectacular, insignificant philosophy on the fringe of human experience

[bailey]

Exactly...marginalize and alienate those fringe people....don't worry, that will not fuel their fires and increase their numbers.

Wait, I thought the claim was they weren't "fringe" but represented the "real" America? So we're agreed that Beck and his devotees are well outside the mainstream?

[Detroitej72]

Exactly...marginalize and alienate those fringe people....don't worry, that will not fuel their fires and increase their numbers.

Haven't you defended and praised Beck on a few occasions?

Now your coming around, welcome to the side of reason and common sense Bats, I knew you had it in you!

[UFO]

Haven't you defended and praised Beck on a few occasions?

Now your coming around, welcome to the side of reason and common sense Bats, I knew you had it in you!

Was Beck at that lovely brunch also? I forget.

[ccbatson]

Look at what he [[Beck) with help has accomplished in just a few weeks folks...Van Jones out, Director of the NEA reassigned, ACORN going down in flames. This guy is on fire.

[Detroitej72]

Wow, and to think yesterday you called him and his sheep "fringe". Way to flip flop, or, at the least, back-peddle from your previous statement.

[ccbatson]

Recognising sarcasm not your strong suit Detroitej72?

[UFO]

Look at what he [[Beck) with help has accomplished in just a few weeks folks...Van Jones out, Director of the NEA reassigned, ACORN going down in flames. This guy is on fire.

Today he started in on the republicans also. He is trying to get a few honest people in Washington to come ut and air the dirty laundry.

This should get interesting. Wonder how deep it'll go.

[ccbatson]

I don't think the anti republican strategy is a great idea as a third party would surely strengthen the most corrupt [[Democrats)....unless, as I believe he may be planning to propose these 56 refounders and they will overwhelmingly turnout to be Republicans...let's watch and see.

[Pam]

Fox news producer coaches crowd:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFCBeKcd-Wk

[ccbatson]

Never been privy to the inner workings of television Pam? Even Oprah, and other talk shows are prepared and sketched out.

[Pam]

Never been privy to the inner workings of television Pam? Even Oprah, and other talk shows are prepared and sketched out.

It was supposed to be a protest march, not a talk show.

[Sstashmoo]

All a big production to sell ad time, about 15 of them at every break, every few minutes. Turn that schitt off.

[ccbatson]

Only to a sheltered and gullible person. Staging for TV is always part of any professionally produced program.

[Sstashmoo]

What sticks out here is the fact that these isolated, often small protests are getting so much coverage and publicity. A year ago there were massive anti war rallies that the press barely mentioned. Hmmm??