School Shooting at Oxford High School

[jcole]

Oxford is NOT a tiny district and many of the people who live out there have beaucoup bucks.
The lawsuit will likely fail because most schools have immunity in these types of cases.

Two $100 million dollar lawsuits against the Oxford School district. For not taking action against a problem child that kill four kids in school.

Brought to you by Geoffrey Fieger.

How is teeny tiny school district in the open country is going cover the cost?

[Meddle]

The lawsuit will likely fail because most schools have immunity in these types of cases.

Immunity can have limits. The party generally must have exercised some level of responsibility which does not seem to be the case here.

[Zacha341]

There are many details re. legal gun ownership here in the states that rightful gun owners are not aware of such as per the law a legel. registered gun in your car must be a special gun box. Not loose in the glove box.

In the general, the debate and discussion on the right to bear arms relative to who has the 'leading' edge [affirmation or condemnation] renders Detroit again a bit of anomaly it can be argued: we steadfast remain a city with plenty of law abiding gun-owners, Democrats mostly I might add; armed-to-the-teeth, with no need of affirmation from the NRA or other sanctioning groups.

Wise criminals [sic] should consider this when plying their trade.

47% of Canadians agree with tough gun control measures but the new laws imposed recently changed many gun crimes from a felony to a misdemeanor.

[jcole]

They consider schools to be governmental entities and as such under sovereign immunity which is very difficult to win law suits against

Immunity can have limits. The party generally must have exercised some level of responsibility which does not seem to be the case here.

[oladub]

Two $100 million dollar lawsuits against the Oxford School district. For not taking action against a problem child that kill four kids in school.

Brought to you by Geoffrey Fieger.

How is teeny tiny school district in the open country is going cover the cost?

There are 5812 students in the Oxford Community Schools district. Its operating budget is $76.5M/year. $200M in lawsuits would take a big bite out of its budget. If that was even possible, it would hurt the educations of surviving students and hurt almost every taxpayer in that community.

[Richard]

They consider schools to be governmental entities and as such under sovereign immunity which is very difficult to win law suits against

It is possible though,school districts have been in court trying to cap liability suits at $300k but no judge has upheld that.

A $25 million settlement has been reached between the Broward County School Board and 52 victims of the February 2018 shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in South Florida, according to an attorney for some of the victims.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/19/us/fl...ent/index.html

Most of the other lawsuits that were successful were filed with the DOJ under the failure to act,where the FBI was notified of a risk but did nothing.

Legal action against the school could prove a steep climb, though. Experts said that criminal liability for school employees in school shooting cases is essentially unheard of. And civil liability is often difficult to pursue because of sovereign immunity laws that shield governmental agencies, including school districts, from lawsuits.

Michigan is among many states in which governmental agencies and institutions — including schools — generally cannot be sued under sovereign immunity.

https://knpr.org/npr/2021-12/actions...heir-liability

It has also been repeated several times that he was caught searching for ammunition.

On Monday, Nov. 29, the day before the shooting, a teacher found Crumbley "viewing images of bullets" on his cellphone during class and sent him to see a guidance counselor. Crumbley told counselors that sport shooting is a family hobby, according to the letter.

Is it illegal to view images of bullets on the internet ?

Experts also questioned how a situation could be serious enough for the school to threaten a call to CPS but not serious enough to search the suspect's backpack or locker.

[Hypestyles]

It's curious to see how Fieger's lawsuit plays out and what the back-and-forth ends up being. When was the last case he took on that made national headlines? Nathaniel Abraham?

[Zacha341]

^^^ Here's a few of Feiger's [and his teams] most recent cases from his site:

https://www.fiegerlaw.com/case-results/

Battle of the Titans: Feiger vs. Morse [they're less than a mile from each other in the 10 mile/ Northwestern/ Evergreen area of Southfield]:

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/ne...its/103127116/

[canuck]

Gunboy Crumbley’s mom wrote a letter to Chump a while back to praise him for gun rights on behalf of her realtor self. She also said she didn’t like getting fucked up the ass, but didn’t mind getting grabbed by the pussy. I sincerely hope her cellmates share her concern about personal safety and sexual boundaries. Oh well.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.news...656496%3famp=1

[Meddle]

Junior stays in the Big Boyz Pokey.

Mom 'n Pop up before the Judge today.

[Danny]

^^^ Here's a few of Feiger's [and his teams] most recent cases from his site:

https://www.fiegerlaw.com/case-results/

Battle of the Titans: Feiger vs. Morse [they're less than a mile from each other in the 10 mile/ Northwestern/ Evergreen area of Southfield]:

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/ne...its/103127116/

Mike Morse is a up and coming win win TV lawyer. He claims that he always wins every case. If he's on the side of the Oxford Public School Board, it will be a fight to the 100-million-dollar finish. To fix all the pain and suffering from kids who want to live, learn and grow in life.

[Danny]

Junior stays in the Big Boyz Pokey.

Mom 'n Pop up before the Judge today.

He will be isolated, so the big boyz don't beat him up before his next case.

[Meddle]

More kidz going to jail ....

All schools in Oxford, Mich., district closed due to social media threat
Dec. 14 [[UPI) -- Two weeks after a shooting killed four students at Oxford High School in Michigan, administrators in the Detroit area have closed several schools on Tuesday due to concern about another potential threat on social media.


https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2021...1181639483051/



They should be permanently expelled from school too.

[Richard]

More kidz going to jail ....

All schools in Oxford, Mich., district closed due to social media threat
Dec. 14 [[UPI) -- Two weeks after a shooting killed four students at Oxford High School in Michigan, administrators in the Detroit area have closed several schools on Tuesday due to concern about another potential threat on social media.


https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2021...1181639483051/



They should be permanently expelled from school too.

In the press conference link I posted way above the sheriff started it out angry at all the false threats being called in to schools,the day after the shooting,it takes a lot of resources and manpower to check each one out.

They should be permanently banned from social media also,like they did back in the day with hackers.

[JonWylie]

When 15 teenagers were dying every day from cell phone distracted driving,nobody shed a tear or even cared,it just shows that people really do not care about dead children until it fits their narrative,using dead children as props, is worse.

There were and still are countless distracted driving laws being put into place, texting bans, handsfree requirements, driving restrictions on younger drivers. This assertion that "nobody cared" is just flat wrong and completely counters the argument you're trying to make. There was a problem that was causing injuries and death, and we took steps to curb the issue with rules and regulations, even though they took away some of your rights when behind the wheel.

https://www.ghsa.org/sites/default/f...ril21Edit3.pdf

[Richard]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oIUKNAlRafs

That’s the link for today’s hearing,if anybody is interested outside of their own little petty narratives.

It was pretty much the prosecutors asking for an extension in time to prepare for discovery,discovery is a 14 day time limit.

The reason given was because they had not received all of the evidence from the sheriffs office investigation.

Which is a bit contradictory,because they have been in front of the cameras all this time leveling charges based on mountains of evidence.

Evidence they just admitted they do not have yet.

Running the mouth with nothing to back it up ,seems to be quite popular.

Whether we agree with the case or not,arresting somebody and leveling charges against them without evidence,I thought we frowned on that.

[JonWylie]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oIUKNAlRafs

Which is a bit contradictory,because they have been in front of the cameras all this time leveling charges based on mountains of evidence.

Evidence they just admitted they do not have yet.

Running the mouth with nothing to back it up ,seems to be quite popular.

This was not "pretty much the prosecutors asking for an extension", because as you heard in the video, the Defense stipulated to this and requested the same extension of time. If this was just the prosecutors doing something "frowned upon", the defense would have at least objected to it, although the request would have been granted anyway. This is super common and is not part of any "narrative".

As stated in the hearing, there has been dozens of GB of data that needs to be gone through, which could account to 10's of thousands of pages if its text, or dozens of hours of video.

They admitted to not having all the evidence, they didn't admit to not having enough evidence for an arrest.

[Richard]

The data they are referring to is stuff that relates directly to the shooting at the school,video,body cams,whiteness accounts.

The 14 days of discovery would not have been achieved because of the Christmas holiday and New Year,Court closures would have made it not happen in the time frame,that is why they all agreed with it.

The prosecutor said she did not have all the materials,once she gets them,she reviews them then hands them off to the defense who then also needs time to review them.

They agreed they could not do that in that time frame because of the volume.

This hearing and the charges against the parents are separate,it is hard to deny people were killed,this is supposed to be about the parents level of culpability while providing excess to the weapon used.

It is a narrative,why? Because the judicial system is tasked with enforcing the laws currently on the books and passing judgment when they are broken.

The prosecutor said there,this case is unprecedented even more so in the state of Michigan.

Because Michigan has no safe gun storage laws on the books,they are using this case as a way of creating a law that does not exist.

If they are successful in convicting the parents of manslaughter based on they allowed easy excess to the gun,that was used in a murder then they have set the precedent of gun storage laws,without creating the law through due process.

The legislation is the only ones tasked with creating laws,not the judicial system.

Where have we seen this before.

Venezuela - When Chavez first took power he stacked the courts with judges that favored him,then used those judges to create his laws,in essence removing the power of the legalization which is tasked with creating laws that represent everybody.

Hati - The president that was assignation,he had already stacked the courts with his judges,rendering the legislation body powerless while leaving nobody in place to protect the constitution.

3 more coups happened in SA in the last 3 years,Burma was going down the same path,the president of the Philippines did the same exact thing,now he is no longer running for president.

Locally this case may be about a school shooting,but there are many layers beyond that.

The whole concept was not to allow judges,prosecutors,and district attorneys to be able to create laws at will,everybody gets judged the same based on written and established law.

They may interpret it and build a case based on intent of the law,but they cannot make up laws as they go along.

Otherwise every person in power will become judge,jury and executioner based solely on what they feel.

[canuck]

Doesn't really matter. It's not like school shooting discussion anywhere is ever going to accomplish anything.

Unfortunately, you are right about that.

[canuck]

If you had the same concern for the teachers/ staff you have for the parents who bought the gun for the killer, I might have said: OK, let’s have a bit of presumptive innocence, here: but no.

So, what is your long arm tactic for the school officials that deem there is a present danger in a kid like Crumley? Go fetch the gun in a muscular home invasion? Is that more constitutional than having a child be circumscribed by a proper parental watch, and esp. not abetting violent behavior?

In your First posts, you hadn’t even seen past the malignant intent in manslaughter charges. Pretty much all jurisdictions in common law are directed to criminal negligence as part of the manslaughter curriculum.

[Richard]

If you had the same concern for the teachers/ staff you have for the parents who bought the gun for the killer, I might have said: OK, let’s have a bit of presumptive innocence, here: but no.

So, what is your long arm tactic for the school officials that deem there is a present danger in a kid like Crumley? Go fetch the gun in a muscular home invasion? Is that more constitutional than having a child be circumscribed by a proper parental watch, and esp. not abetting violent behavior?

In your First posts, you hadn’t even seen past the malignant intent in manslaughter charges. Pretty much all jurisdictions in common law are directed to criminal negligence as part of the manslaughter curriculum.

Michigan’s case is unprecedented because very rarely are parents ever charged in school shootings based on providing excess to the gun used.

They choose the manslaughter charge because that is the only thing they can claim.

You are claiming criminal negligence under what basis?

Michigan does not have gun storage laws,they broke no laws in the storage of the weapon.

Criminal intent? Where ? You would have to prove the parents purchase the weapon specifically for the child while knowing he was going to use it to shoot up a school.

Criminal intent because they were not aware of the child’s mental state and he was going to shoot in a school?

Really?

Criminal intent based on they were bad parents ?

You could fill the prisons up in any country based on that.

You are a parent,you can raise your children to the best of your ability,once they are out of your line of site,they are subject to more forces then you can control,even more so when they are teenagers and discovering their independence.

Society has also limited the power of control over parents,spank your child and you go to jail.So you have systematically removed the parents ability to teach accountability to children.

Storage laws in the rest of the country the use of a weapon for home defense,in order to be effective you must have excess to the weapon quickly,not locked in a box etc.,you would be dead by the time you search around and load etc.

No the police do not use stormy arm tactics when notified of a potential threat.

The schools that do not follow the no snitch to the police policy,when they have any kind of potential threat,they notify the police,the police at that time can find out within seconds of there are any gun that the person can easily excess in the hone,they then can legally take those weapons into custody while the threat is being clarified.

They can also baker act the potential threat and have a professional speak to the person and go from there.

In short,the threat is eliminated before it becomes deadly.

We have already seen that happen last week,where a potential school shooting was prevented by using that same procedure.

Outside of the school setting when a minor kills somebody,have the parents ever been arrested for the actions?

If a minor punches a teacher out while in class,can you arrest the parents for assault?

Based on they should have raised their kid better?

What does it tell you when schools that have a no snitch policy with the police are experiencing school shootings with death,while the schools that do not have those policies have a history of preventing these students from accomplishing that act?

I understand the intent of that policy but at this point it is clear it is a deadly policy and it needs to be revisited.

I am not blaming the school,they were following an established policy,if you wish to charge the school with accountability then you also have to charge every school in the country that has that policy.

It was by design a proactive policy that has a well established deadly downside.

You are pissing into the wind while trying to have a gun debate after every school shooting,the gun is not the root cause,it was a method of choice,if you want to prevent school shootings you have to look at root cause and not ignore them.

You do understand that the schools in this country operate in essence as a sovereign government within a government?

In most cities in states if they want to build a new school,they do not to have permission,pull permits or get any outside permission or approvals.

It is the one system in this country that collects taxpayers money but yet holds zero accountability to the public as to how they are spent.

The school system is not a democracy in our constitutional republic country.

[Meddle]

Oh puhleeezee .....


Oxford shooting suspect's parents say they didn't know his intentions

CBS News|2 hours ago

In trying to get their $500,000 bond cut to $100,000, a lawyer for James and Jennifer Crumbley says they're "devastated" by the shooting and it was "the last thing they expected."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/oxford-...is-intentions/



You're not accused of 'knowing his intentions'. You're accused of creating the situation and providing the tool.

[CassTechGrad]

Other then gun registration/confiscation, what other methods would you like to see the government implement to reduce or eliminate these senseless shootings. Something that addresses to root cause.

[Hermod]

Other then gun registration/confiscation, what other methods would you like to see the government implement to reduce or eliminate these senseless shootings. Something that addresses to root cause.

Yes, this kid din't shoot up a school just because a gun was available. He didn't shoot up a school because he had rotten parents. What was there about the school that caused him to do it? Why didn't he shoot up a mall or a church? What was it that caused him to do it to his classmates?

[canuck]

Oh puhleeezee .....


Oxford shooting suspect's parents say they didn't know his intentions

CBS News|2 hours ago

In trying to get their $500,000 bond cut to $100,000, a lawyer for James and Jennifer Crumbley says they're "devastated" by the shooting and it was "the last thing they expected."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/oxford-...is-intentions/



You're not accused of 'knowing his intentions'. You're accused of creating the situation and providing the tool.

What tools?


I was under the impression a gun was nothing but a "glorified bookend".