School Shooting at Oxford High School

[Maof]

I read that the building owner realized a car should not be there, recognized it, and called police. Apparently the Crumbleys were locked in the office of Andrzej Sikora's studio. I'm going to assume that the fact that Jennifer Crumbley was credited with taking the pic of Sikora and his mural on a restaurant in Oxford [[just around the corner from her house) for an article a couple week ago, and them being found at his space, is not a coincidence. That credit has since been removed at the restaurant's request, but it's archived in Wayback Machine here: https://web.archive.org/web/20211118...urant-founder/

Hi Alley. Long time no see!

[Dumpling]

It seems that the high school did have a School Resource
Officer on staff as opposed to a psychology paraprofessional.

It seems that prior to the school shooting events,
Ethan Crumbley was well-behaved in school. While
in detention prior to the shooting spree, he asked to work
on his science homework.

We probably will never know, but there was SOME sense
among students that there might be trouble that day.
It is not clear just how much the SRO was left out of the
two loops: the administration loop with the concerning
drawings and the student loop concerning the impending
trouble.

[Dumpling]

Everybody is being so concerned and sensible and
justifiably shocked at the turn of events.

I'm going to be Devils Advocate and also regret that
the sig will forevermore miss being near someone with
I heart emoji kinds of feelings for it. Ethan Crumbley
could have considered the sig's feelings and did not
do this!

[There were some stories written from the point of view
of old belongings in a pawn shop a while back, including
the point of view of a gun that was used in a crime, by
author Deborah Frontiera, "Night in A Pawn Shop".]

My mother in particular did not want guns in our house
while I was growing up. None of us ever wanted a gun
for a Christmas present or loved to go to the gun range.

Back in the day when she was a teenager she would
hunt deer and squirrels for dinner and says she still
craves squirrel stew once in a while [guess we could
try squirrel roadkill some time, no one will go shoot a
squirrel for her].

Her youngest child committed suicide using a gun in 2012.
Mom was the one who found the body in her daughter's
apartment. My sister had mental and substance abuse
issues prior to the suicide. There had been prior suicide
attempts including rolling the woody station wagon
her aunt handed down to her, but the gun was what
sent her soul to the beyond. About one in ten of us
has suicidal thoughts.

It isn't at all surprising that Ethan Crumbley has been
on suicide watch. Sorry for all of these problems.

[jcole]

And how much of what the Superintendent of schools is spinning the school's responsibility. He's supposed to retire in January and I'm sure he doesn't want to have to deal with this when he's trying to close out his retirement package...

It seems that the high school did have a School Resource
Officer on staff as opposed to a psychology paraprofessional.

It seems that prior to the school shooting events,
Ethan Crumbley was well-behaved in school. While
in detention prior to the shooting spree, he asked to work
on his science homework.

We probably will never know, but there was SOME sense
among students that there might be trouble that day.
It is not clear just how much the SRO was left out of the
two loops: the administration loop with the concerning
drawings and the student loop concerning the impending
trouble.

[Dumpling]

In 20:20 hindsight the school staff should have called the
SRO in to check Ethan's backpack. Mostly I think that it just
didn't occur to them that he might also have brought a gun.
He wasn't old enough to be buying guns. He had heretofore
been a quiet student with no disciplinary record who was
doing his homework, and the staff did not want to expel
him so long as all that was the case. He did need some
kind of psychiatric intervention at that point though; if
the school is going to be held responsible in an age where
guns are accepted and obtainable by many, we should be
looking at how immediate the needed psychiatric intervention
can be.

Some schools have a continuing program of checking
everybody's locker and everybody's backpack. That
is effective but it is a bit intrusive and unpleasant.
The Republican Party can put it in their national
party platform if they like.

[Honky Tonk]

In 20:20 hindsight the school staff should have called the
SRO in to check Ethan's backpack. Mostly I think that it just
didn't occur to them that he might also have brought a gun.
He wasn't old enough to be buying guns. He had heretofore
been a quiet student with no disciplinary record who was
doing his homework, and the staff did not want to expel
him so long as all that was the case. He did need some
kind of psychiatric intervention at that point though; if
the school is going to be held responsible in an age where
guns are accepted and obtainable by many, we should be
looking at how immediate the needed psychiatric intervention
can be.

Some schools have a continuing program of checking
everybody's locker and everybody's backpack. That
is effective but it is a bit intrusive and unpleasant.
The Republican Party can put it in their national
party platform if they like.

Very good rational post, Dumpling. Definitely something that should be discussed by school boards.

[Dumpling]

Very good rational post, Dumpling. Definitely something that should be discussed by school boards.

There are many other good posts on this subject and it is
something that should be discussed in general. It is a
depressing topic though.

Some schools unfortunately have what amount to jail
cells for children who are acting out which probably would
have been better in this instance than sending this student
home to an empty house. The various options are not
really good.

[jcole]

This is IF you believe the spin that the school administration is putting on it. I don't. As I said above, the Superintendent is playing "cover his ass" so he can continue with his retirement plans in January. Not a single word from the Principal of the school that was shot up, nor from the School Board. No condolences, no words of unity, not an f'ing thing from these people other than the self serving video tape from the Super. None of them even showed up at the vigil on Friday

In 20:20 hindsight the school staff should have called the
SRO in to check Ethan's backpack. Mostly I think that it just
didn't occur to them that he might also have brought a gun.
He wasn't old enough to be buying guns. He had heretofore
been a quiet student with no disciplinary record who was
doing his homework, and the staff did not want to expel
him so long as all that was the case. He did need some
kind of psychiatric intervention at that point though; if
the school is going to be held responsible in an age where
guns are accepted and obtainable by many, we should be
looking at how immediate the needed psychiatric intervention
can be.

Some schools have a continuing program of checking
everybody's locker and everybody's backpack. That
is effective but it is a bit intrusive and unpleasant.
The Republican Party can put it in their national
party platform if they like.

[Dumpling]

I'm sorry to hear that the Principal and the School Board
did not extend any condolences to the bereaved families
and the general student body if that is true.

[jcole]

I'm married to a former school teacher and board member; it's not unusual for the board and Super to cover their own butts while letting other's hang in the wind, as is the case with this guy and the guidance counselor; according to him neither he nor the principal nor anyone else in administration knew a single thing about it. While this may or may not be true, you don't throw your staff under the bus. The buck stops here USED to be the way things were handled but apparently not any longer. Also, there is no reason that the board president could not have put out a condolence announcement; from what I understand, he/she and the board have gone to ground and can't be reached. Principal, same thing. These kids, their families and the teachers involved in the shooting deserve far better than this

[Honky Tonk]

This is IF you believe the spin that the school administration is putting on it. I don't. As I said above, the Superintendent is playing "cover his ass" so he can continue with his retirement plans in January. Not a single word from the Principal of the school that was shot up, nor from the School Board. No condolences, no words of unity, not an f'ing thing from these people other than the self serving video tape from the Super. None of them even showed up at the vigil on Friday

Unfortunately you're right. These days most workers are more interested in getting through their 8 hours than actual accomplishing something. If I lived in that district I'd be calling for resignations. The act itself was horrendous, the Board's reaction is unbelievable.

[Maof]

Everybody is being so concerned and sensible and
justifiably shocked at the turn of events.

I'm going to be Devils Advocate and also regret that
the sig will forevermore miss being near someone with
I heart emoji kinds of feelings for it. Ethan Crumbley
could have considered the sig's feelings and did not
do this!

[There were some stories written from the point of view
of old belongings in a pawn shop a while back, including
the point of view of a gun that was used in a crime, by
author Deborah Frontiera, "Night in A Pawn Shop".]

My mother in particular did not want guns in our house
while I was growing up. None of us ever wanted a gun
for a Christmas present or loved to go to the gun range.

Back in the day when she was a teenager she would
hunt deer and squirrels for dinner and says she still
craves squirrel stew once in a while [guess we could
try squirrel roadkill some time, no one will go shoot a
squirrel for her].

Her youngest child committed suicide using a gun in 2012.
Mom was the one who found the body in her daughter's
apartment. My sister had mental and substance abuse
issues prior to the suicide. There had been prior suicide
attempts including rolling the woody station wagon
her aunt handed down to her, but the gun was what
sent her soul to the beyond. About one in ten of us
has suicidal thoughts.

It isn't at all surprising that Ethan Crumbley has been
on suicide watch. Sorry for all of these problems.

I'm sorry to hear about your sister Dumpling.

[Maof]

There's an article in today's Free Press. The looser parents would leave him home alone and go to local bars. A neighbor called CPS at the time and stated he was about 8 or 9 years old. He would go knocking on the neighbors door asking her to call his parents. Between the two of them when they lived in Florida, a DUI, driving on suspended license, writing bad checks and failure to pay child support to his two other children from a previous marriage. They failed that kid long before this incident.

[Honky Tonk]

I'm sorry to hear about your sister Dumpling.

Same here, Dumpling, my condolences.

[Dumpling]

Thank you both. It was really hard on my Mom especially.

[Meddle]

from what I understand, he/she and the board have gone to ground and can't be reached. Principal, same thing.

As I said above, they all need to go. Abolish and reorganize the District.

[renf]

More than 15 years ago, I added a picture of the Standard Truck Building to my Detroit1701 website. This is the location where the parents of the young man taken into custody in the Oxford shooting were apprehended yesterday morning.
http://www.detroit1701.org/Standard%...ndustries.html

[Jimaz]

More than 15 years ago, I added a picture of the Standard Truck Building to my Detroit1701 website. This is the location where the parents of the young man taken into custody in the Oxford shooting were apprehended yesterday morning.
http://www.detroit1701.org/Standard%...ndustries.html

Thanks. I bookmarked your website. I was surprised I hadn't seen it before.

[DW313512]

I went to Henry Ford HS from 1970 to 1973. Every September there were stone throwing issues and a lot of scary fights. I would not go to school until about 1 2 weeks later till it settled down.

[Alley]

Hi Alley. Long time no see!

Hi Maof!

[Gistok]

Canuck.... I will not have you disparaging my LEGO!!

Have you ever stepped on one at night in your bare feet by accident?

[canuck]

Canuck.... I will not have you disparaging my LEGO!!

Have you ever stepped on one at night in your bare feet by accident?

lol x 101; yes.

Thanks for reminding me my sons are grown up now!

[Meddle]

Art Studio guy says they came to visit him Friday morning ... before any warrants were issued. They stayed for a while, and left his studio before the end of the day as far as he knew.

Except they apparently didn't leave the building. They went to the basement and hung out there for the night without him knowing. That reinforces my theory that they didn't really run as in trying to flee from authorities. They were acting like scared rabbits trying to figure out what to do. What might have happened later in the day, or today will never be known.

[jcole]

According to the news this morning, he let them in not knowing why, they spent the day there and HE went home at 5pm, telling them to lock up when they left. After he heard about the manhunt and where they were found, he headed directly to the DPD and told them what occured.

Art Studio guy says they came to visit him Friday morning ... before any warrants were issued. They stayed for a while, and left his studio before the end of the day as far as he knew.

Except they apparently didn't leave the building. They went to the basement and hung out there for the night without him knowing. That reinforces my theory that they didn't really run as in trying to flee from authorities. They were acting like scared rabbits trying to figure out what to do. What might have happened later in the day, or today will never be known.

[bartocktoo]

I stopped reading his reply to my post when he compared leaving an unlocked car to leaving a gun laying around. Surprised he didn't say pillow since so many kids smother their parents with them.

...but I'm sure in his world that wouldn't include My Pillow.