Historic Mayoral Elections in Dearborn, Hamtramck and Dearborn Heights

[Zacha341]

Yep. Certainly not solely as we discussed.

The prevailing narrative [often parroted w/o question) is that 'religion' is the number one cause of genocide! Nope. Even when combined [religious crusades/ conquests] death at the behest of religion is low contrasted to the millions killed on behest of the secular walking-among-us 'gods' of communism, and fascism [Mao, Hitler, etc] 100+ million within this century!

Correct... genocide is not necessarily a religious undertaking. Remember the genocide in Rwanda in recent decades, due to tribal hatred... as is going on now in Ethiopia.

I recently found this infographic summary on the subject:

[Zacha341]

This is interesting....

Why we chose not to endorse either candidate for Hamtramck mayor

From article:

No matter where you stand on marijuana, it has been known for some time that the Hamtramck Muslim community has not had an appetite for marijuana businesses. It is true that it was the responsibility of the then Muslim-majority Council to definitively opt out of marijuana, which they failed to do in time...

...Further, during bitter Council debates around the issue, when Muslim Council members were being unfairly attacked, the city’s mayor could have kept order and could have defended the population against blatant xenophobia in public discussions over marijuana.

https://www.arabamericannews.com/202...mtramck-mayor/

[Henry Whalley]

Nope. Even when combined death for the cause of religion pale in comparison to the millions killed on behalf of secular gods of communism and fascism...

Zacha: No doubt that communists and fascists murdered enormous numbers of people. Mao probably takes the cake for the most murders attributable to a single devil.

But remember that my response was to Richard's statement that "I cannot think of any religion that [goes out and kills] everybody that does not worship as you do" to which I said don't forget about Christianity.

With regard to your claim regarding the graphic summary, nobody knows the counts. To say that the "combined death for the cause of religion pale in comparison to the millions killed on behalf of secular gods of communism and fascism" can't be substantiated. After all, superstitious religions wreaked havoc for millenia [and nobody was keeping score] while secular religions had only a portion of the twentieth century.

Perhaps the fascists and commies are winning; perhaps the Hebrews, Christians, and Muslims are winning. Nobody knows the score. And the game isn't over, e.g., looks like the U.S. may succumb to fascism.

P.S. Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Colin Powell, Condoleezza Rice, George Tenet, John Bolton, Paul Wolfowitz, Scooter Libby ,  Michael Hayden, and other neocons are unpunished war criminals, too. But they're our war criminals.

[Zacha341]

^^^ Interesting points, indeed. However, the concentration of death due to secularism over the last 100 [not solely my claim] years cannot be denied. The chart provided is but one of many counts and records. The more you research, the more you'll find the source[s], varied, beyond this example! Not to mention a few oldsters still living [who experienced these genocides] and the extant narrative of their families, personal -- beyond the charts and stats.

And yes, if we're not careful United States too will succumb to an authoritarianism taking us surprised as/ if we assume we have a fix on its origin!

[gnome]

Come to America

Work your ass off.

Your kids work their asses off. Everyone lives in the same house.

Third generation gets involved in politics.

like clockwork.

This is the story of immigrants to America and it has been played over and over again.

The only exception is with those we brought here as slaves. Their trajectory has been different due to systemic racial animus, restrictions and laws.

[Richard]

It was not or just not in the United States

Not until 1962 did the Minister of Citizenship and Immigration implement new guidelines removing most racial discrimination. In 1967, a points system was introduced and the last of racial discrimination was removed.

https://www.thestar.com/news/immigra...lusion.html?rf

Canada also still places restrictions on non English speaking immigrants from certain countries.

Jews were treated as hostile refugees when fleeing fascism.

The United States has not really been much different then any other county in the world throughout history when it comes to slavery and immigration,and as horrible it is to live here,it’s a far cry from living in a mud hut with no water or electricity and wondering if you are going to make it from one day to the next without being slaughtered or sold off into slavery as it still exists today.

Actually what I posted before was - I cannot think of any religion that advocates the killing in the name of that religion,it was the bodies that killed in the name of religion.


They say over 60% of African Americans in the United States can trace their roots back to ancestors brought into this country as slaves,but less then 5% can in the country that slaves originated from,due to the history of tribal wars and genocide that still occur today,even as we speak today,an entire bloodline will be wiped out in a matter of seconds.

Thats a heavy sacrifice and price to pay for a continued bloodline.

[bartocktoo]

It was not or just not in the United States



They say over 60% of African Americans in the United States can trace their roots back to ancestors brought into this country as slaves,but less then 5% can in the country that slaves originated from,due to the history of tribal wars and genocide that still occur today,even as we speak today,an entire bloodline will be wiped out in a matter of seconds.

Thats a heavy sacrifice and price to pay for a continued bloodline.

African tribal conflicts and genocide are much more tangled with the rest of world than that. Synergistic with slavery was colonialism, The Berlin Conference/creation of borders by non-African nations, to name a couple.

[Richard]

African tribal conflicts and genocide are much more tangled with the rest of world than that. Synergistic with slavery was colonialism, The Berlin Conference/creation of borders by non-African nations, to name a couple.

It does not stop even when those lands are ceded back,there has been 5 coups over there in less then 2 years.

The league of African nations is a joke and the African controlled rule has been no different then under colonial rule,skin color has changed but that is about it.

France ceded control over Guinea long ago,they actually supply 70% of all the raw materials used in making aluminum to China,by default the US,100s of billions,but yet they live in poverty.

They just had another coup,the guy that took over is the Rambo of special forces,he was invited back to the country by the previous president to form a special forces team in order to remove all opposition any means necessary.

He got there and formed the team,then did a coup,he says fir all the right reason but there has never been a person in charge in that entire region for any length of time that has not turned into a power hungry kill everybody that does not agree with you.

Gaddafi's son came out of hiding to run for President of Libya,he is wanted for crimes against humanity by the EU,but yet here he is,the region he was from,like his father,will most likely get his support,because they will hope he continues to follow in his fathers footsteps and finish killing the Muslims that they do not agree with as Muslims.

Belarus President jailed and or killed all the reporters and opposition.

Turkey after the attempted coup in 2016,jailed,killed or just disposed of all teachers,university professors,media personal,and pretty much anybody else that did not agree with the regime,anybody that was considered smart was dead or jailed.

Do not buy blood diamonds because it supports genocidial manics,but yet American taxpayers send billions to the region so we can support and install our own genocidial maniacs.

A US President with full knowledge and intent destroyed Hati,on purpose,so now we send them billions and yet they cannot self rule because like every other country being the slave master is not always black and white.

You are correct though it is a complicated tangled mess,millions slaughtered every year,imprisoned under daily brutal torture or just disappear like the wind,little girls sold,slaves still being sold,children forced to work in mines it goes on and on.

Interesting the stark contrasts in the world,in this country,as long as we can flip a switch for power,fill our gas tanks and bellies and do not have to read mean tweets,we are happy but not really because people are more obsessed with the past then they are with not repeating,while it is actually being repeated,and nobody cares.

Tear down a statue because it represents slavery of 200 years ago,then go into a store and purchase an item that was produced by a slave of today,without a thought in the world.

No point in trying to right a wrong of the past if you are going to support the exact same wrong happening today.

Burn that building down because it was built by slaves 200 years ago,while wearing clothes made by slaves 2 months ago.

So what the hell does this all have to do with Muslims in Detroit in power?

Like I said before,it will be the only place on earth where everybody just gets along like no where else in the world,dispite the religious secular differences.

Even better if they can overcome the urge to recognize that political corruption is just a part of the process,I hope it works.

Power equals control,control has no boundaries.

[Henry Whalley]

Like I said before,it will be the only place on earth where everybody just gets along like no where else in the world,dispite the religious secular differences.

Richard, you made many true points, but then you ended with an unforced error in that you overlooked many places in the world where people with religious differences get along.

[Richard]

Richard, you made many true points, but then you ended with an unforced error in that you overlooked many places in the world where people with religious differences get along.

That was me trying to divert back to the OT and was referring to Muslims in general,how did we get the different factions to come together for a common goal In Afghanistan?

Because we formed a government where each faction held a seat or position in that government,so each faction was comfortable as they felt they were receiving representation.

That is the basis of a lot of it,one faction denies the others the same rights they want or view as the standard.

When you look at Muslim communities that are established outside of the warring ones,the UK,Germany,France,where no go zones have been clearly defined,even Florida,as a rule they do get along,but the side effect of that is the breeding ground and support for those who wish nefariousness on others.

I do not have an issue with a mainstream Muslim as a mayor as long as they operate just like every other mayor should,by respecting the rights of everybody and not using the power to further an agenda outside of that scope.

The no go zones have created exactly what those who only want to live their lives in peace left from in the first place.

[CassTechGrad]

We have some indication of how the title of this thread, “Historic Mayoral Elections In Dearborn, Hamtramck And Dearborn Heights”, might play out. Lets look at Chicago which has just recently elected the first black female homosexual mayor and see what she is doing to unite the windy city in the spirit of acceptance and inclusion!

[Henry Whalley]

We have some indication of how the title of this thread, “Historic Mayoral Elections In Dearborn, Hamtramck And Dearborn Heights”, might play out.

IMHO it's a misuse of the word indication. A better way to say it would be "we have some prejudice as to how it might play out..."

[Richard]

In that case - the use of the word might is a clear indication of how it IS playing out.