Welcoming afghans to detroit

[bust]

It's so very annoying when a poster seems to turn almost every thread into a chance to take misinformed political shots.

[Midnight Rambler]

A significant number of Afghans could change the landscape of the city - over time. Would 50,000 people be too many? Not enough?

Oh, sure let's resettle a bunch of Sunni Arabs in the immediate vicinity of Dearborn, the largest Shia Arab community outside of the Middle East. What could possibly go wrong?

[Gistok]

Oh, sure let's resettle a bunch of Sunni Arabs in the immediate vicinity of Dearborn, the largest Shia Arab community outside of the Middle East. What could possibly go wrong?

The largest group of Arabs in Dearborn are Sunni Lebanese.

[Richard]

The largest group of Arabs in Dearborn are Sunni Lebanese.

Not that it matters but Google can be your friend

The Islamic Center of America [[Arabic: المركز الإسلامي في اميركا[1]) is a mosque located in Dearborn, Michigan. Although the institution dates back to 1963, [2] the Center's current mosque opened in 2005. It is the largest mosque in North America[3][4] and the oldest Shia mosque in the United States.[5] With its large Shia Arab population [[consisting mostly of Lebanese), Dearborn is often called the "heart of Shiism" in the United States.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hist..._Metro_Detroit

There are lots of links out there.

Even more links show that the Sunnis would have lots of support also in Detroit.

Their differences are more political then religious,but to each their own and everybody pretty much wants a better future for themselves and their children,if they move there they will have a choice and they will make that choice based on where they feel the most comfortable.

If a couple are radicalized it really does not matter in the bigger picture,it’s not like we do not have radical people running around in major cities already,gangs and such.

It kinda makes it a moot point not worth dwelling on.

[Gistok]

Not that it matters but Google can be your friend

It kinda makes it a moot point not worth dwelling on.

I have many friend [[Lebanese Chaldeans, Iraqi, etc) in Dearborn, whom I visit often and I've often asked about the Arab melting pot of the Dearborn area.

Yes some of the mosques get a broken window now and again, but the different separate ethnic groups are intermixed and few if any problems show up in the local media.

Dearborn/Dearborn Heights are 2 very safe and stable communities that are much improved since the large scale diaspora of ethnic Arabs into the area.

And for people that live here... we don't need Google to become informed.

[Richard]

I have many friend [[Lebanese Chaldeans, Iraqi, etc) in Dearborn, whom I visit often and I've often asked about the Arab melting pot of the Dearborn area.

Yes some of the mosques get a broken window now and again, but the different separate ethnic groups are intermixed and few if any problems show up in the local media.

Dearborn/Dearborn Heights are 2 very safe and stable communities that are much improved since the large scale diaspora of ethnic Arabs into the area.

And for people that live here... we don't need Google to become informed.

Well it is good to see that you actually went out door to door and got a accurate account based on a few friends,it is nice to see somebody that dedicated.

You are a better person then me because,even though I live in a highly Hispanic state and city and have lots of acquaintances that are Hispanic,even they cannot tell me how many Cubans there are verses Argentines verses Columbians verses Purto ricians,verses well you get the jist of it.

Even the Middle East stopped counting how many were in each group in 1963,so I guess even though they live there and have for 1000s of years,they do not even know?

Why always with the pissing match ?

Make up your mind and pick one,bitch because I do not use Google or bitch when I do,asking a few people does not make a statistical reality.

Weather you live there are not is totally irrelevant,you are not hiding some mythical population count from the rest of the world.

For that matter why do the census,you live there,all they need to do is stop by for coffee and you can give them all the exact numbers,based on you know a couple of people,just think of your contribution to society when you can save the taxpayers millions,how come you did not speak up before with this expertise?

You live there,why is there a thread on corruption,why did you vote corrupted people in ? Again . If you are looking for the credit you also have to be ready to accept the responsibility.

Outside of what you think,because you live there,do you actually have any real numbers?

Is Dearborn even located in the City of Detroit? You would know because you live there.

Groups are going to be mixed until one side outnumbers the other,apparently you missed the part where I wrote the divisions were always more political then religious,there is not enough difference between the two to be warring, the politicians used the groups against each other to create divisions and war.

Which never happens is this country,thankfully,so we are all good and can now drop this line.

[Lowell]

I don't have the data as we don't yet know who actually is leaving but my guess is that the Afghans fleeing are largely from economic upper crusts, the educated, and many [since they were translators] fluent in English--similar to the Vietnamese, Iraqi's and other American collaborators from our many wars, who quickly succeeded once here.

[Gistok]

I don't have the data as we don't yet know who actually is leaving but my guess is that the Afghans fleeing are largely from economic upper crusts, the educated, and many [since they were translators] fluent in English--similar to the Vietnamese, Iraqi's and other American collaborators from our many wars, who quickly succeeded once here.

Definitely... I know one Chaldean family who bought out the Mr. C's party store chain here on the east side, a Lebanese friend who owns his own bar, and a Pakistani couple who own 3 7-Eleven franchises. We are the land of opportunity... and immigrants seem to take advantage of that opportunity... which enriches our country.

[Zacha341]

Afghan immigrants living in the US feel powerless to save relatives left behind desperately trying to escape Taliban rule...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...l-Airport.html

[Zacha341]

Do you think it will be mostly men? Women [especially those with children] are especially targeted, and vulnerable.

They are less likely and physically able to get out as easily as young men for example. The [few] testimonies of the women able to speak is very sad. Left behind, they now have no rights; are targets for beatings, rape and enslavement.

I don't have the data as we don't yet know who actually is leaving but my guess is that the Afghans fleeing are largely from economic upper crusts, the educated, and many [since they were translators] fluent in English--similar to the Vietnamese, Iraqi's and other American collaborators from our many wars, who quickly succeeded once here.

[oladub]

I don't have the data as we don't yet know who actually is leaving but my guess is that the Afghans fleeing are largely from economic upper crusts, the educated, and many [since they were translators] fluent in English--similar to the Vietnamese, Iraqi's and other American collaborators from our many wars, who quickly succeeded once here.

I'm not as optimistic about getting the cream of the crop. For every professional, there are car drivers, cafeteria workers, and what about every Afghan soldier who were our allies? I just read about a higher level translator who was receiving death threats and left without his family in 2014. He now says that 13 of his relatives are under threat and wants to bring them all over if they can make it across the Pakistan border. Even if they are all somehow related to him and under threat, they probably will dilute the average professional status. While I support helping those who risked their lives to help the U.S. and their families, the numbers coming in suggest there is another agenda.

Also, we are under constraints as to how many 'refugees' we can bring in annually. Three months ago, Biden raise the annual number of refugees from all countries to 165,000/year. We evacuated 122,000 people including 6,000 Americans and an undisclosed number of foreigners or Afghans headed elsewhere. Originally, there were supposed to be a total of 21,000-30,000 interpreters, others and their families who helped us and their families and 10-15,000 Americans we were going to bring back. It looks like Biden will violate his own edict.

Also, if Sweden is an indication, Afghan immigrants who arrived before the refugee surge in 2015 had an unemployment rate of 40% in 2014. Maybe Detroit will do better and be able to employ a higher percentage.

[bartocktoo]

[QUOTE=oladub;615414]I'm not as optimistic about getting the cream of the crop. For every professional, there are car drivers, cafeteria workers, and what about every Afghan soldier who were our allies? I just read about a higher level translator who was receiving death threats and left without his family in 2014. He now says that 13 of his relatives are under threat and wants to bring them all over if they can make it across the Pakistan border. Even if they are all somehow related to him and under threat, they probably will dilute the average professional status. While I support helping those who risked their lives to help the U.S. and their families, the numbers coming in suggest there is another agenda.

Also, we are under constraints as to how many 'refugees' we can bring in annually. Three months ago, Biden raise the annual number of refugees from all countries to 165,000/year. We evacuated 122,000 people including 6,000 Americans and an undisclosed number of foreigners or Afghans headed elsewhere. Originally, there were supposed to be a total of 21,000-30,000 interpreters, others and their families who helped us and their families and 10-15,000 Americans we were going to bring back. It looks like Biden will violate his own edict.

Also, if Sweden is an indication, Afghan immigrants who arrived before the refugee surge in 2015 had an unemployment rate of 40% in 2014. Maybe Detroit will do better and be able to employ a higher percentage.[/QUOTE

Perhaps I'm wrong, but I'm guessing the current percentage of recent immigrants in the US and working jobs is much higher than the blue blood "fellow Americans" that are working jobs and not on state, federal or combined government help.

[Zacha341]

Per the 'success' of this hurried withdrawal; removing our military first, and the real-time rush to save Afgan's it remains questionable how much actual vetting has occurred. If any.

I don't find it unreasonable to be concerned as we extend help to those needing our rescue [particularly others also gaining entry to the US].

[Ray1936]

Still a lot of vacant land west of the Mississippi.

[Richard]

^ it would have to be BYOB,not much water in them thar parts.

[Richard]

Looks like Michigan will be receiving 1200 afgans out of the first batch of 20,000

Interesting that California receives 2500,one would think that would be the last place one would pick considering the enormous cost to get on ones feet there.

They are saying that the desired locations that get first priority choice are ones that already have family established in the region.

[Zacha341]

I wonder when Michigan will start to receive more asylum seekers etc. from the Texas border as the no longer deniable numbers continue to expand [as our borders remain re-opened during a pandemic]?

Drones are no longer allowed to fly over certain areas to report. UK and off-the-grid info and aggregate services posted news early when all of this started. But now even the the great New York Times, CNN and other mainstream [news] services are reporting on the rising numbers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26d-34xszfo

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/16/u...s-del-rio.html

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/...t-ebof-vpx.cnn

It looks like Haitians [10K] are being sent back. So interestingly they may never make it to Michigan:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/af...as-bridge.html

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ips-ended.html

Looks like Michigan will be receiving 1200 Afghan's out of the first batch of 20,000...

[Richard]

^ yea I do not get the whole Haitian thing,since it was the US that intentionally destroyed that country and if they do not support certain candidates they get burned alive in their homes while they sleep.

They are majority catholic and hold those religious values tightly and as a majority will not expect a dime from the federal government after they get established.

I say I do not get it,but I do because they lived under a brutal dictatorship for many years and are extremely anti socialist agenda,so they would not fit the current narrative.

They as a group are in not different then those fleeing South America as far as requirements.

But because of the devastation there and the willingness of the politicians to embrace corruption we decide to send billions in aid instead.

But like in this country when it comes to aid and dealing with homelessness,30c out of every $1 actually reaches its intended target,so it is a golden egg for many who do not live there and why upset that?

Hati is a glaring example how one US Presidential policy literally destroyed an entire nation,he says to this day if is hard for him to sleep at night because of that but it is no consolation to the millions it effected.

We owe them like we do not owe others because it was 100% US politics that destroyed them and now it is 100% politics that is sending them back into death.

That is how nasty we can be,this is direct payback because of the support they gave the previous administration.

That is why we as a country do not deserve to use the word compassion when it comes to refugees from any country,it has zero to do with it and it makes us no different then what they are fleeing when it comes to support me or suffer the consequences.

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[Atticus]

Bring the Afghans here. To be honest, my biggest complaint is that we are not getting more.

There are so many businesses/restaurants/etc. here that are desperate for workers, and many of those jobs are not the kind that require formal training. If these people want to build a new life here, and are willing to work the minimum wage jobs and get their feet on the ground, then it is a win all around as far as I am concerned.

Bring them here, get them hooked up with a job, and let these people start a better life. Oh, and send even more… we can use all the help we can get.

[Zacha341]

It will be interesting to see how Detroit handles this. Biden owns the Haitian issue full-out [10K+ thru the Mexican border] per his comments that he would not send them back - but then again [update]:

https://www.texastribune.org/2021/09...-deportations/

Based on what didn't need to be said at all - the invitation to come...... [attempting now not to look too 'Trumpsty' - then a flip-flop anyhow!] Depending on which news feed [damage control!].

[Richard]

Bring the Afghans here. To be honest, my biggest complaint is that we are not getting more.

There are so many businesses/restaurants/etc. here that are desperate for workers, and many of those jobs are not the kind that require formal training. If these people want to build a new life here, and are willing to work the minimum wage jobs and get their feet on the ground, then it is a win all around as far as I am concerned.

Bring them here, get them hooked up with a job, and let these people start a better life. Oh, and send even more… we can use all the help we can get.

When you look at the Afghans and now Haitians,they are self sufficient by nature because they come from eras that have no jobs,so they have to create their own.

What amazes me is they do take the jobs washing dishes 18 hours a day for little pay and still are able to squirrel enough away in order to start some kind of business,they face the same challenges that we as citizens do while working those types of jobs,but yet they still manage to progress out of them.

When we talk about immigrants to Detroit,yea that is a good example,somebody that is willing to fill an immediate need while not being a burden on the local taxpayers,that also will move up in the future and become employers themselves,it tackles both short term and long term needs in one swoop.

The states that are receiving a larger amount,are doing so because their representatives went to the feds and requested it,a lot if it has to do with family support in a given location but when you start dealing with 60 to 100,000 they all do not have that much family in country already.

[Wheels]

I have many friend [[Lebanese Chaldeans, Iraqi, etc) in Dearborn, whom I visit often and I've often asked about the Arab melting pot of the Dearborn area.

Yes some of the mosques get a broken window now and again, but the different separate ethnic groups are intermixed and few if any problems show up in the local media.

Dearborn/Dearborn Heights are 2 very safe and stable communities that are much improved since the large scale diaspora of ethnic Arabs into the area.

And for people that live here... we don't need Google to become informed.

Why would you need to be informed when it’s much easier to profess knowledge that you made up?

[Gistok]

Why would you need to be informed when it’s much easier to profess knowledge that you made up?

I posted that 3 weeks ago... do keep up Wheels... I posted an anecdote about several Middle Eastern friends I have... if you don't believe it... [with your Trumpian anti Islamic hate] I could give a rats ass...