Afghanistan: Hello?

[Zacha341]

Yeah, cart BEFORE the horse! And now we're totally upside down in this: owned.

Again, who conducts such a eh' strategic withdrawal by removing their military force first?

^^ It looks like instead of costing the taxpayers billions, it's going to cost them trillions before this is settled. Way to go Joe.

Updates....

In words:
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...escape/619863/

In photos [raw and unsanitized]:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ble-Kabul.html

A little of both:
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-58279900

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/25/polit...ion/index.html

[Honky Tonk]

Again, who conducts such a eh' strategic withdrawal by removing their military force first?

Hillary Clinton?

[Richard]

In the CNN link

That he will not send American sons and daughters to Afghanistan, or anywhere else, to die in what he believes is a futile endeavor that will not enhance core US security.

But send those same Americans a bill for 3.1 trillion in order to send the money to China because there is no way we have the capacity to supply green in the short time allowed without supplying lots of green to non Americans.

Not having the basic materials is undermining the core security of Americans.

China is sitting back laughing their ass off,they are the ones that are going to benefit from this.

The President really does not have much say in the private contracts aspects unless he defunds the DOD and CIA otherwise he would have been bringing up the sending of thousands of Americans to fight in SA which outside of the exact same rare earth materials is futial American endeavor.

Using that basis we have military in conflict in many countries,it is just not published daily,but they are doing the exact same thing,preventing thousands from getting slaughtered.

If he is going to use that argument,pull all military out of ongoing conflicts that does not directly effect the security of this country.

It shows this is 90% political and that is what cost lives.

We are the taxpayers that paid billions for that equipment,we should be able to reserve the right to repossess it or give us our money back.

The taliban must have some heavy dirt on some powerful people in this country,because they are letting every other military in the world escort people to the airport but the United States and Americans

They are Americans,it is Americans responsibility to get them out,why would we sacrifice 10,000 American lives in order to appease the Taliban?

The taliban can take some pride and credit in knowing they brought America to their knees and made them do their bidding,that is hero status in that click,when did we start being their bitch.

Senior British military officers expressed anger over the U.S. pullout, saying it exposes the hollowness of the trans-Atlantic "special relationship" — a phrase used since World War II to stress the bonds of history, friendship and shared diplomatic interests between London and Washington.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/afghani...-biden-extend/

[Zacha341]

Just the Taliban? Seems to be several boldly holding cards and dirt to leverage increasingly. And 'chips' too. Literally when we think [technology] as to who will soon have raw earth materials/ minerals as their bargaining item!

This could foretell marked cost increases and scarcity in several areas of electronic, technical, bio-medical, manufacturing, etc. on several levels.

...The Taliban must have some heavy dirt on some powerful people in this country, because they are letting every other military in the world escort people to the airport but the United States and Americans...

[Richard]

I have posted different scenarios but what happens if the current administrations self imposed deadline comes to play out ….

and the next news headline reads Taliban holds Americans hostages

What happens then?

We say meh we wrote them off - so off with their heads.

The Kabual airport already has 6 billion left in the cash drawer for operation costs that will not occur after the deadline.

Who gets that ?

Keep in mind there are also allied forces at that airport,if we pull out they also have to be ready or not,we are finding all kinds of ways to just bend people over.

[Ray1936]

Does anyone remember that Russia got there asses kicked out of there 20 years ago? NO? How soon we forget.

[Richard]

They were there trying to transform the country into a socialist commy country.

In a terrorist eyes us evil westerners are 2nd in line behind their hatred for socialist communism based society.

It’s probably the only time in their history all of the tribes set aside their differences and fought towards a common enemy.

The taliban was our best friend at that time.

These 5 guys are not in control of the taliban,they control that faction in that local but not in other countries,they provide funding and leadership to their forces,but although their forces share a common goal they are not disciplined like ours,each little faction within the main faction can operate on their own in reaching the main goal,the leaders can say something like

Do not beat the Americans on their walk to the airport but the reality is if they are beating Americans in their way to the airport they are achieving the goal,so they can do it without repercussions.

Back in the day we use to call it an organized cluster *uck.

We do not see it on the news but they are running a constant bombing campaign in Russia.

[Honky Tonk]

Does anyone remember that Russia got there asses kicked out of there 20 years ago? NO? How soon we forget.

I do and true. However, the US covertly armed the Afghans to help them beat off the evil Russians. That was 20 years ago. I guess it was time to restock their weapons supply with something more up to date.

[Honky Tonk]

Back in the day we use to call it an organized cluster *uck.

Today, Afghanistan is in "disarray".

[Richard]

Now there goes a boom at the airport,speculation is it was a suicide bomber.

Seems like some of the hard liners within the troops are not happy with this faction of the Taliban announcing that they were going to address woman’s rights.

So they go back to ISIS-K and Al-qaeda and rejoin the more radical side,I am not sure why we are putting so much faith in the Taliban at this time,they may have overrun the country but they are not in control of it.

It is one thing to take a city but another to hold it.

Once we leave all the other factions are going to come out into the light and fight for control against them ISIS -K is small right now but they will regroup and we already see now how bomb happy they are.

As they reform and build ranks,we will see first hand again why we were there in the first place,and we will not be there to keep it on that dirt.

Was that the plan ? To arm the Taliban so they would have an edge over the fight against the regrouping ISIS-K and Al-Qaeda?

The explosion with unknown number of casualties was at the gate where Americans were supposed to go to,the state department sent out a warning two days ago for the Americans not to go to the airport and stay where they were.

Once we and our allies leaves the airport,the war will start in order to remove the Taliban from the cities by the other factions,any Americans left trapped in the middle of it will have a slim chance of survival.

Now they will not be able to continue the flights.

So we are left with 2 choices

Bring the troops back and fight for the extractions of the remaining Americans.

Leave the remaining Americans there at their fate.

We can bring in the black hawks with troops and extract the remaining Americans,but the risk with that is a repeat of Black Hawk down which would then require escalation.

The deadline of the 31st is not achievable,because between us and our allies we are going need at least 24 hours to transport all of the logistics out that we cannot leave there,let alone the supporting troops and staff that are the airport.

So that kicks it back to ceasing evacuations by the 29th - 3 days from now.

The irony in all of this,the President that fled - fled with planes filled with cash and cars,imagine the physiological aspect that had in the Afghanistan troops when the leader sent the message of everybody for themselves,get what you can.

[Richard]

Today, Afghanistan is in "disarray".

Always has been,no cohesive form of government.

15 different factions all fighting for power and control over the country,coupled with the tribal warlords in the north.

What we did was established a central representative government of leaders of all the tribes,it did not stop the fighting but it allowed the Afghan people breathing space ,more so the women and children the ability to attend school and enjoy a few rights.

Problem is with no central government,there is no border control and radical fighters can easily walk across from places like Pakistan in order to join.

We cannot change the world without bloodshed,if we are so adamant about giving women and children rights in other countries and stopping the genocide going on in the world,our public has to have the stomach for it and be committed to it enough to see it to the end.

We decided in this case,our troops,whose mission is to protect those who cannot protect themselves are not worth burying over a woman or child,even if that is the exact reason most signed up for.

It has made it worse now,we gave those women and children hope and showed them a different life,then ripped it out from underneath of them in a matter of hours,at least when they were considered somebody’s property they did not know any better.

Now the process of literally beating them back into submission will start again.

That is why the radicals will always have the edge over us,they remain committed to the cause.

I am woman hear me roar has been silenced by the cry’s of millions of women and children who are now living in terror knowing any second now that whip or rubber hose will fall after they are rounded up.

It’s all a dog and pony show if you are not ready to strap a helmet on and fight for what you believe in verses a woman part.

Nobody ever asked the troops if they are willing to fight and die in order to provide those rights to others,those that did died doing what they believed in and were ready to provide the sacrifices that it took.

[Richard]

10 marines and a navy medic ,American service members dead and 60 afgans in the bombing.

Prayers to the families.


he conducted the evacuation in reverse order of how a Non-Combatant Evacuation Operation [[NEO) is supposed to go. First you fortify ports of embarkation [[Bagram, Kabul). Then you recall American citizens and ferry them out. Then you evacuate asylum seekers, then you withdraw equipment, then the military. All while maintaining air superiority. He literally did the exact opposite, presumably to say it was complete before 9/11.

That was the plan already in place but was changed.

[Honky Tonk]

Shouldn't you give them the names of your Afghan allies first?

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/0...vacuate-506957

[Richard]

^ you know when I read that before,I thought this must be that LOGIC that Gistok claims only the highly intelligent has.

Of course the citizens willingly handed over lists of Jews and where they lived to the brown shirts so why should we be any different.

Thats just as bad as the administration before that last that was giving the enemy the time and date of drone strikes before hand.

We seem to have no problem giving our enemies all the intelligence they need in order to kill us.

The CIA and some of the military took some black hawks against the Presidents wishes and have been rooftop evacuating Americans,under the guise of CIA operations.