Afghanistan: Hello?

**Ray1936** · August-16-21, 05:30 PM

I see President Biden is not extending a United States war in Afghanistan today. To which, I say, "hooray!".

The questions about the topic that have disturbed me for the last twenty years, however, is why didn't military support -- in large amounts -- come from the following countries????

Great Britain.
Canada.
Mexico.
Spain.
Brazil.
Ireland. [[Well, forget that one. They only fight each other.)
Germany.
France.
Switzerland. [[Forget that also. They don't fight anyone.)
Poland. [[No perogis?)
Norway or Finland. [[No snow in Afghanistan, I guess).
And, hey, the rest of the free world.

Perhaps all the above have it right. Get out of a small portion of the world that you really can't do anything about and let them solve their own problems.

Then, if they pick on someone else.............well, never mind.

**Zacha341** · August-16-21, 07:48 PM

^^^ We HAD to leave at some point withstanding the original reason [Taliban/ 911 attack - forgotten by some].

So back to the eighth century they go - women for example, will be immediately regressed. At least this particular departure and 'timing' [without a cohesive plan] eh' hardly resembles the fall of Saigon [also forgotten]?

Yes. I know, it's a rag, but Dailymail articles post several photos. And sometimes photos convey what words deny:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...le-killed.html

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ul-resume.html

**Richard** · August-17-21, 10:50 AM

Actually a majority of the country’s listed in the really long post that I took the time to read,also had a presence in Afghanistan.

We just do not hear about them because they are not our troops.

Afghanistan also saw the increase of the use of private contractors to wage war,we had up to 50% private contractors in force,paid under a separate budget of the DOD,but not called or counted as troops.

Alot of countries use these little wars in order to gain real world experience,so they may have also had a short term presence in order to do that.

You can train a military all day long,but it needs personal that has experience in real battles.

It is also used as a development tool,for testing weapons and technology in real battle field conditions.

One positive thing that came out of it was a blood clotting agent used on wounds,once applied it instantly stops the bleeding.

It saved lives while people were transported from direct action to emergency care outside of the battle field.

That technology is now used to save lives in the civilian side.

All or majority of those countries still have a presence in other wars or police actions currently going on that the media does not cover.

The issue is when you involve different countries in police actions there is a pissing contest in who has command and control.

The US does not have power or command and control over foreign militaries.

Enter the blue helmets,like what is being used in the African region,is a UN run coalition of multiple country representatives combined as a force.

Its kinda like tits on a bull though,because they are there in force but you cannot shoot anybody without permission or until after they shoot you first.

They just maintain a presence as a force as a deterrent.

Afghanistan is a nation of tribal order,always has been,a bunch of different tribes controlling land sections that have different beliefs and versions on his each sector should be run.

Kinda like if all the states in this country operated as a separate country.

Mixed in there are those who want to eliminate everybody else that does not to agree with them and control the whole country.

IE: the taliban

We were not at war in Afghanistan,we were at war with a few tribes whose only intention was to remove western society from the earth.

Afghanistan was just the soil they were standing on,we were there picking out the bad apples off of the tree.

The objective never was to change something that has not changed in over 2000 years.

Considering they freed over 7000 prisoners where some were the leaders were al qada,I think we will be revisiting the whole { never forget } aspect shortly.

The taliban is a global network,with many different factions,Al qada was a offshoot of one of those factions.

There are only a couple of leaders involved in the current situation,what happens when the other factions start sowing their oats?

Russia,China and Iran are the only ones maintaining embassies there,which makes it ripe to use others for their own plausible deniability,just like we did.

We are only seeing the lid on the can of worms that is getting ready to open.

**Richard** · August-17-21, 04:35 PM

If anybody is interested,here is a list of the 39 countries that had a military presence in Afghanistan.

Notice while the US had 14,000 troops we also had 25,000 extra private contractors,that are not classified as troops.

https://www.rferl.org/a/29669794.html

We should also keep in our memories those foreign forces that gave their lives in helping to keep our country safe.

They did not know us personally,but they gave their lives for us.

If anybody is interested in being a private contractor,starting pay is $3500 a month and all the bullets you can carry,you get to travel to exotic places that most normal people would never dream of going and you can end the evening while enjoying beautiful sunsets like it’s the 4th of July as the bullets wiz by and mortars blasting in the air.

Not just a job - it’s a adrenaline based fun fulfilled career filled with the satisfaction of being able to take out the really evil bad guys without the restraints of public opinion,because they will never even know.

If you spent your childhood enjoying the game of wack-a-mole then this is the career for you,but now you can enjoy it in real time and never worry about the game ending,because when you wack one 3 more will pop up.

As a added bonus sign up today and do not worry about having to be forced to get the rona virus shot,odds are you will not live long enough to enjoy the benefits it may or may not provide,but on the bright side of things the corona virus will be the least of your worries.

There is plenty of job security because at this moment in time there are more privately funded wars or police actions going on then advertised wars then public even wants to know about,even better you are funded by the government without actually being held accountable for your actions because you do not exist in the first place.

You can enjoy the thrill of toppling entire governments with a few well placed shots or gather your comrades and just take them over with force.

Instead of being young and protesting in the streets thinking you can change the world from the comfort of a protected society,be a part of actual change,granted it will be short lived,but the beauty of it all you get to go back to the same place a year later and do it all over agin with the next wako that took power.

Why settle for a dead end job of flipping burgers for $15 per hour when there is a whole world of unabashed kaos out there,if there is not you can stir some up.

**Ray1936** · August-17-21, 05:14 PM

Great post, Richard; thank you much. But it still raises a question: Why does the U.S. send in as many as twice the number of troops as all the other nations combined?

We gotta stop being the world's nanny.

**Richard** · August-17-21, 08:37 PM

We are a super power

We also sell billions a year in weapons and equipment at a hefty profit.

US standing military = 1.3 million active duty with a population of 350 million

Germany = 180,000 with a population of 82 million

England is the land mass simular to the state of Florida,our military would not fit on their continent.

The next best thing would be if we are putting up the force then the allies should contribute to those costs if not in manpower.

The previous president did a cost sharing scheme and people in this country called him an embarrassment to the world and a baffoon,while bitching about the cost of the military.

The smaller countries cannot match our forces because it would leave them with a depleted rapid force if they are attacked,plus if all hell broke out on several fronts nobody would have any reserves left.

So how it works is each allies has to maintain a force large enough to hold off of a attack until we and others can mobilize.

There is a formula that determines that force necessary.

We did not become a super power until WW2 and that was because we had the industrial might to back it up,which is no longer the case.

We are the nanny because we signed up for it and became the deterrent against the world of evil.

Other countries mock us and our military spending,but it is only the morons that were not around when their country became overrun and millions of their fellow citizens were killed in the process.

I follow the previous administrations stance of,if we are going to be the nanny,okay,if you choose as a country not to fund your military then you need to help fund ours,because it’s the one that will help save you ass if the crap hits the fan.

The current administration just sent the message of - good luck with that and pick your poison.

We cannot just stop being what we are,if we did there are several others out there that would take advantage in a heartbeat.

If we do we stand a good chance of actually having a WW3 and it will not be pretty.

Besides somebody has to keep the commies and socialist in check,you see how greedy they are for total domination.

If we stepped aside China could dominate the world in a matter of months.

Russia is a force to be recognized by they do not have world wide domination capability.

It is us or China - personally I prefer it to be us.

We just need to stop pussyfooting around when it comes to actions taken and stop trying to cater to public opinion.

You cannot run a war or police action based on bleeding heart outcry’s,you have to go in with force and do whatever is necessary to accomplish the mission.

Otherwise we end up with the same results as Korea,Vietnam,Afghanistan etc it becomes a long drawn out process and the body count rises.

Look at Iran/Iraq we went in,kicked ass and got out.

We have had military troops and ongoing actions in the sub Saharan region for over 30 years now,and nobody has said booo about that.

I was deployed over there for 3 years 78 - 80 there has always been some really evil stuff going on over there.

Like they say in the movie Tears of the Sun - God left that place long ago.

I think that is why they are shifting from a military force to private armies though,what the public does not know then they cannot comment about because private armies do not exist.

There is a down side to private armies,we just witnessed how easy it is to topple a government in a matter of hours,they just had a horrible exit plan.

Right now in this moment in time,all 5 of the taliban leaders in control of Afghanistan were in one room at the government offices over there,a well placed drone shot would have ended all of this in seconds.

**Meddle** · August-18-21, 12:52 PM

No politics

**Richard** · August-18-21, 04:00 PM

Did the forum add more Admin or is that just another wannabe internet police?

**Zacha341** · August-19-21, 05:14 PM

Yep. In the future perhaps when we so hastily step-off and leave, we won't leave so much of our personnel, military equipment, intelligence, and infrastructure materials behind.

Perhaps we can pay them [a ransom] to do 'nice' and provide safe return?

Originally Posted by Ray1936

Great post, Richard; thank you much. But it still raises a question: Why does the U.S. send in as many as twice the number of troops as all the other nations combined?

We gotta stop being the world's nanny.

**Honky Tonk** · August-19-21, 07:17 PM

Originally Posted by Ray1936

Great post, Richard; thank you much. But it still raises a question: Why does the U.S. send in as many as twice the number of troops as all the other nations combined?

We gotta stop being the world's nanny.

Let me start off by saying I'm lucky to be living in the USA. It's not perfect but compared to what else I've seen, it's a very good place to be. The USA wants to be in charge of the world just like the next guy, we just go about it differently. I don't think it's a matter of "nannying" as much as it's a matter of opportunity.

**Richard** · August-19-21, 10:04 PM

We enjoy rights and freedoms in this country that others would give their lives just for an opportunity to be apart of that,that sliver of hope,it comes at a price in order to protect that way of life.

They are not showing the images of the bodies falling out of the sky of those who tried to cling to the aircraft,they knew they were going to die,that 10 seconds of hope in their life was worth it to them.

Within reason,we can say what we want,worship the god of our choice and vote for our choice of representatives.

Without the fear of being jailed or slaughtered along with our entire family.

Its pretty straight forward with the Taliban - Women are property,the highly educated are dead along with journalists,human rights activists or anybody else that opposes them.

Stand in the street and say - I am woman hear me roar and you will not survive 1 block.

But that is par to the course in a lot of countries and under many dictatorships.

Considering the alternatives,what it costs us to be the nanny is pretty much irrelevant.

A lot of the older generation witnessed the results of all of that,anybody that feels oppressed in this country,so much so that they have to get up in public and say how bad they want to leave?

Really needs to walk through a village where every man,woman and child has been slaughtered and hacked up into pieces simply because they chose to worship another God

That is why we do what we do and who we are,to send a message that way if life is not acceptable and to protect those who cannot protect themselves.

You cannot take a submissive population and tell them to pick up a weapon and defend their country or suffer the consequences while their beliefs have taught them to do no harm to others,they will allow their head to be chopped off before attempting to do harm to others.

What child deserves to be slaughtered because he or she simply exists in this world ?

We are like the big brother to those who have no voice,mess with us and big brother is going to step in and kick your ass.

But we cannot save them all and there are always those who will demand total submission of the population that they control or wish to control by any means necessary.

Before we took the stance of,not our problem,then two world wars happened that killed millions,including our fellow Americans,one way or another we are involved.

Personally I would rather have our boot on the bad guys neck,then the bad guys boot on our neck.

That is how we justify and live with it.

As much as we would like to,we cannot go back to what it was,if we stand by and watch,we will be the next ones in line.

**Zacha341** · August-20-21, 11:14 AM

Yep. I work with diverse cultures, including recent immigrants, and they often remark on the benefits remaining in the US compared to the full-on totalitarian societies they just left.

A young man new from eastern Europe recently remarked how many here so readily 'romanticize' Marxism, and the promised utopia found in ever-controlling governances therein, etc. Having no objective idea what that ideology and REALITY of living 'under' that actually means and demands - beyond what they learn online, media etc.

Originally Posted by Honky Tonk

Let me start off by saying I'm lucky to be living in the USA. It's not perfect but compared to what else I've seen, it's a very good place to be...

**Richard** · August-21-21, 12:44 AM

I would set up a go fund me account in order to buy all the little socialist wannabes a plane ticket to the regimes of their choice,so they could be happy,but it would be a waste of money because those countries have strict immigration policies and would never let them in.

Then they would feel like they are still entitled to the funds anyways.

So they can do what the 100s of thousands do every year while escaping to this country for a better future,take a walk through the jungle.

**Wheels** · August-23-21, 10:14 AM

If you were trying to destroy democracy destroy the economy and turn people against each other to the point of civil unrest would you do anything different than what the Biden administration are doing currently? It seems like a pretty well thought out plan to me.

**Zacha341** · August-23-21, 03:31 PM

^^^ A 'thought' out plan?

Oh...

...!

Similar to the plan, for example of leaving complex US military helicopters?

Not to mention personnel and others.

Note: helicopters at that level require heavy meticulous maintenance to run. So many hours vs air time. Far more than a fixed-winged aircraft.

Stop that and you're not flying for long.

**bust** · August-23-21, 04:17 PM

Anonymous Afghan military experts, infectious disease experts, so many pretend they're both.

This cream makes you younger, this supplement makes you stronger, this explanation is the answer-- if you believe.

Re-post for me, I'll set you free.

This thread has nothing to do with Detroit, nor is it "chit-chat".

**Richard** · August-23-21, 06:48 PM

We are chit chatting you are whining without contributing.

It could very well have something to do with Detroit,there are 60,000 Afghans coming over to this country,they have to sleep somewhere,my guess is they would perfer not to be around taliban inspired individuals that think they can control every aspect of their lives,and constantly whining

The US has 8 more days to get thousands of people out of Afghanistan before the Taliban says it will face 'consequences'.

https://www.businessinsider.com/us-m...threats-2021-8

We are now the Talibans little bitch - I still say they should have launched a drone when all 5 of them were at the same place,everything would have been over with.

German military: Firefight involving U.S. forces at Kabul airport
https://www.axios.com/german-militar...877f0dc9c.html

The Taliban has also stopped Americans from getting to the airport,that is the choice I guess,leave Americans there to die or do what it takes to get them out.

The cost of fleeing Afghanistan is $2000 for the airfare.

I do not think that is fair,if they were told,okay we are out of here in 3 weeks fine,but to wait until it is do or die?

They do not have to pay it up front,just sign a agreement to pay at a future date.

**bust** · August-23-21, 07:00 PM

Does it put anything inconsistent with Bannon-bots?
Won't let it command focus; won't take the bait.
What if we pre-emptively tested for disinfobots?

**Honky Tonk** · August-24-21, 09:39 AM

Originally Posted by Zacha341

^^^ A 'thought' out plan?

Oh...

...!

Similar to the plan, for example of leaving complex US military helicopters?

Not to mention personnel and others.

Note: helicopters at that level require heavy meticulous maintenance to run. So many hours vs air time. Far more than a fixed-winged aircraft.

Stop that and you're not flying for long.

You are correct on the care and feeding of attack helicopters. A couple of things though. There are capable helicopter pilots and mechanics in Afghanistan. Some are sympathizers and will have gone over to the other side. [why not? It's the side in power and at the current top of the Afghany food chain.] Our military didn't just just leave helicopters behind, they likely left the tools and parts necessary to keep them going. You're thinking along the lines of maintaining long term air power. If they have enough of them to launch short term attacks [border control, terrorism, quell riots, etc.] mission accomplished. But not to worry, our MIC has billions of dollars worth of more weaponry to sell to the military to "fight terrorism".

**Honky Tonk** · August-24-21, 09:53 AM

Originally Posted by Richard

The Taliban has also stopped Americans from getting to the airport,that is the choice I guess,leave Americans there to die or do what it takes to get them out.

Straight from the Hillary Clinton Benghazi play book.

**Zacha341** · August-24-21, 06:26 PM

^^^ It is such a sad, careless mess - the way this withdrawal was implemented. The majority of news on this [un-scrubbed] is coming out of the UK news services, including the tabbies.

News not short on documenting photos - only to be constrained/ contained so long. If you really want to know what is going on, it not too hard to find out withstanding our media outlets.

**Richard** · August-24-21, 10:20 PM

Originally Posted by Honky Tonk

Straight from the Hillary Clinton Benghazi play book.

This one comes with a catch,Afghanistan and now the Tban are sitting on 1 trillion in rare earth materials.

China is trying to dominate the rare earth materials,our scale with China is if we have 1 million they have 44 million,our largest reserves are in the Mountain pass mine in California.

But the environmentalists have it locked down and we cannot have our children digging it out by law.

So they will give Afghanistan what they want and support them.

We sell or give a lot of military hardware and equipment away,like in this case,but we do not give them all the technology so we can maintain an edge over them.

The British SÃS or special forces have had zero problems escorting their people to the airport,and even helped an American CBS reporter get to the air port safely.

After they received permission from the United States to escort them out,why would our allies need permission in order to escort an American safely to the airport.

They would not need permission,SÃS can easily escort Americans to the airport,I am thinking they called because they were told no Americans would be leaving,but the reporter put up such a fuss and could make waves it was decided to remove her in the best interests,not in her best interests.

As it stands right now,more Afghans have been flown out then Americans that are trapped and unable to get to the airport.

The defense department released a photo - saying it was an American transport plane saving Americans ,until somebody noticed it was actually a United Emirates military transport by their markings.

You kinda figure the defense department of all people would know how to tell the difference.

There is a lot more to this that we are not being told.

They are trying to pass a multi trillion dollar green bill,we have been buying our rare earth materials from China.

My guess is that the are going to let some Americans get killed in order to drum up support to go back in.

We had 50% private contractors there,private armies,the all just disappeared over 10,000,where did they go?

They did not catch a flight at Kabul.

Bengazi with a side order of the Gulf of Tonkin,I do not think it is over,I think we just went full fledged private war in Afghanistan.

We cannot do green anything without the base materials,no way our government or corporate interests are just going to walk away from those materials ,it would give China strategic control over the rare earth materials market.

Tban has oil wells and many other investments,they are like the billionaires club that wants to use their power to maintain control.

So either the United States is flat out leaving an estimated 10,000 Americans there to die,not counting the combatants.

Or they are leaving them there because they are the intelligence support for the private sector army.

Technically all of our United States military forces will be out of Afghanistan,but there is no law against the United States continuing to maintain a private military force there,funded by the DOD but in the eyes of the public they are not US troops and we will not have a military presence there.

Kindasorta

plausible deniability

My guess is something is going to happen in the next couple of weeks that will dominate the news cycle and Afghanistan in the public’s eye will fade,but there will still be a war going on that we will be spending billions to fight,because we do not have a choice.

We can say people are doing stupid things,but governments operate the long ball and we have been doing some really crafty things around the world for decades,nobody is that stupid.

**Zacha341** · August-25-21, 06:40 AM

It does give China strategic control. As I said, they will be and remain transactional during this whole episode. Hardly neutral. No doubt.

Originally Posted by Richard

We cannot do green anything without the base materials, no way our government or corporate interests are just going to walk away from those materials, it would give China strategic control over the rare earth materials market....