2021 - Detroit named most dangerous US city... again

[Richard]

Busting the Italian mob created a vacuum that was filled by the Russian mob with whom Giuliani became business partners.

Actually he had a campaign donor that was,if you base it on that then let’s take em all down.

Commodities trader Semyon [[Sam) Kislin and his family also lavished thousands of dollars in contributions to Democratic Sen. Charles Schumer, to the Clinton-Gore re-election campaign, to former Republican Sen. Alfonse D’Amato and to a number of state and city politicians. Kislin sits on the New York City Economic Development board

https://publicintegrity.org/politics/elections/fbi-tracked-alleged-russian-mob-ties-of-giuliani-campaign-supporter/


If he sits on the board that would also mean that the current mayor and governor are also in bed with the Russian mob by that reasoning.

The Odessa mafia started in Britton beach in 1975,so they did not fill a vacuum that was supposedly left from the Italian mob,they were already there in force.

The FBI cannot get to them because of the language barrier and they still hold the old code of not ratting,unlike the Italians,are not media whores and still do not use the phone.

The mob is still there,they just took out the stupid ones that thought it was cool to stand up in front of the cameras and taunt the feds and put everybody all up in their business.

There are respected territory’s and boundaries,Giulianis alleged ties to the Russian mob is bunk because they would have been out of his territory.

If you alleged that he had ties to the Italians then that would be at least somewhat feasible because nothing got done in NYC construction wise without some involvement,so in theory it could be alleged that everybody in NYC had ties.

When he got them out of construction and garbage etc all they did was switch over to white collar it’s less smelly then garbage and even they know how to embrace technology.

He did not take them out,he got them to quit leaving bodies in the street but in the process they lost control over the gangs,which brings us to where we are now back to bodies in the street.

So which is actually better - organized crime or un-organized crime,you are not going to make it go away and definitely cannot control it if it is unorganized as we see in just about every city now it has become a free fir all in sections that were never like that before.

The police cannot control it because they are liable and you cannot send social workers in there to reason with kisses and hugs,they only know one language and sometimes you have to deal with force with overwhelming force,or just live with it.

Its a dirty job,you do not want the police to handle it,you are not going to handle it,so who is going to ?

It is out of control across the country mostly because they know nobody wants to answer that question,until they decide the thugs know they have free rein.

The politicians blame the guns because they do not want to be the ones that make that call,so they pick an inate object as a distraction from the real issue and solution.

Detroit and other cities already went through what happens when you send the police in,to many innocents get caught up in the net,so sometimes you have to entertain different alternatives or use methods outside of the box,so you do not end up in the box in the crossfire like so many are now.

NYC at that time did not do a turn around based on taking out the mob,it did it because the people had enough and were ready to do and support what it took,it was controversial as hell but it did the job,try that now and the first sidestep and cities will be burning.

Unless the un organized get organized by any means necessary it is going to get worse as we see it escalating by the week now.

[night-timer]

Richard, we don't know each other, but you obviously look at these issues in a very practical, no-nonsense and street-level way. Are you in law enforcement?

I think law enforcement does in fact find it easier to control or deal with established organized crime syndicates, rather than the random acts of unorganized street-level teenage criminals.

[Honky Tonk]

I think law enforcement does in fact find it easier to control or deal with established organized crime syndicates, rather than the random acts of unorganized street-level teenage criminals.

Good call and I agree with you. Organized crime has a tendency to control their business and keep it confined to areas. People are going to do what people want. Whether it's gambling, drugs, prostitution, etc. We've seen this with casinos and fireworks revenue crossing borders when it wasn't locally available. It's the petty break-ins, theft, muggings that create mayhem.

[Henry Whalley]

The Odessa mafia started in Britton beach in 1975...

Russian emigration to the U.S. began in 1975. The Malina were not here "in force" in 1975, but only gradually became a force, and the Cosa Nostra controlled heroin traffic until the late 1980s.

[Richard]

Richard, we don't know each other, but you obviously look at these issues in a very practical, no-nonsense and street-level way. Are you in law enforcement?

I think law enforcement does in fact find it easier to control or deal with established organized crime syndicates, rather than the random acts of unorganized street-level teenage criminals.

No not law enforcement,learning experiences.

1991 ish I took an old 1930s deco service station that was on a Main Street,it was a dingy nasty little used car lot,I cleaned it all up and turned it into a quick lube and tune up center,even had a neon street sign and when you came in for an oil change it was like steeping back into the 1930s,the oil companies even got me special design period correct oil dispensers etc.

Anyways,got it all cleaned up and the next day was the grand opening,come in the morning and somebody had busted the plate glass front window and stole the cash register,$500 I had to pay for that window,the same as the deductible.

Across the street behind the Main Street businesses was the projects,one way in and out,the police did not go in there without swat for back up.

That night at closing a hooker was walking by and I told her,you see they busted my window before I could even open.

She tells me,yea that is the neighborhood showing you who is boss.

I told her yea,see that flat roof ? Next time anybody touches my property I will launch mortars off of that roof and those projects will cease to exist.

I had that business for five years before selling it with other locations,it was the only business that was never broken into or robbed within a 1 mile circle,even customers would drop off cars at night and leave the keys in the ignition and nobody never touched them.

The blockbuster video store next door,their plate windows were busted so many times and hundreds of DVDs stolen it is no wonder they no longer exist.

They use the teenagers for a reason.

About 5 years ago schools stopped reporting to the police,their view was they did not want the children to leave school with a police record so they could have a chance at life.

So what happens is there are no repercussions in school and police cannot find out who the really bad apples are until it is to late.

The school shooting in south Florida was a prime example of what happens when that concept is applied,they feel peer pressure is used better,so if a student beats the crap out of a teacher or another student,their solution is to sit them down in a group of others where they tell him that was not a nice thing to do,have a nice day see you at school tomorrow.

Couple that with the court system that even if the kid had been arrested for assault,he would have been out within the hour and looking for those who turned him in.

So they use the teenagers for the dirty work because they have no record,if they are caught,they are turned loose because it is considered a first offense.

That is why police assigned to the worst hoods get into so much trouble,the only way to deal with some is to send the message of,do not fuck with me or you will regret it,the only thing the thugs respect is ones ability to take it to another level that they cannot handle.

They can walk up to you and shoot you dead and go eat lunch and take a nap without a second thought,the only fear they have is what will happen to them in retaliation,IE your family tracks them down,ties them to a car and drags them a few miles.

As it stands now and as we see it escalating out of control,it is because they know there are no repercussions and they know they have the community support,the police will not go after them,corner them and they pull a gun on a cop and get shot,cities burn and the officers life is threatened.

The worst part is none of them clearly never go to the range and learn how to shoot straight.

They shoot 14 innocents while trying to shoot one and did not even hit the target.

I think the Black Panthers actually did the best job when it came to regulating neighborhoods,they had a good system,but in order to do that one needs to be a bit radical,some took it a little to far and actually became radicals and destroyed all of the good the rest were doing.

But they were effective at controlling and keeping neighborhoods safe and looked after.

By me three teenagers died a fiery death while running from the police,they were in a stolen SUV that they were using to target subdivisions,burglize cars.

Between the three of them and in less then 3 years they had been arrested 103 times,burglary,strong armed robbery,robbery with a weapon,grand theft auto on multiple occasions,assault.

The only thing that ever happened to them was a max 30 days in juvenile hall.Everytime they were caught the courts released them because they were just kids that deserved a second chance,the line of victims they left in their wake ment nothing.

[night-timer]

Richard, those are some nice Detroit anecdotes. Let's catch up next time I'm in The D... lots to chat about!

[Cincinnati_Kid]

Richard, as long as the subject isn't politics, I find you to be quite a engaging guy.

[intelligentBeing]

At the end of the day a city is only as great as the standard its citizens hold for themselves and their neighbors. Detroit needs to repopulate with good people and we need a police force that has the back of these people. DPD has shown some great leadership in the past couple years. I would definitely support some type of program that determines if homeless/serial criminals are mentally ill, if so institutionalize them to get them off the streets for their own good and for the good of the upstanding citizens. If not, have them clean up litter for room and board and minimum wage.

A big reason Detroit's crime rate is so high is because most of the good people left, the criminals stay because they could not do what they do in the suburbs. The crime stayed relatively the same and the population declined, therefore crime rate goes up. Now that people who have standards have been moving into the city for the past decade their are visible improvements throughout the city. It sounds kind of ass backwards but one of the ways to really decrease the crime rate is to increase its population with good people. It's been happening but just not at a high enough rate, and obviously easier said than done. Need neighborhoods/housing for people/families making 50k-200k.

[softailrider]

At the end of the day a city is only as great as the standard its citizens hold for themselves and their neighbors. Detroit needs to repopulate with good people and we need a police force that has the back of these people. DPD has shown some great leadership in the past couple years. I would definitely support some type of program that determines if homeless/serial criminals are mentally ill, if so institutionalize them to get them off the streets for their own good and for the good of the upstanding citizens. If not, have them clean up litter for room and board and minimum wage.

A big reason Detroit's crime rate is so high is because most of the good people left, the criminals stay because they could not do what they do in the suburbs. The crime stayed relatively the same and the population declined, therefore crime rate goes up. Now that people who have standards have been moving into the city for the past decade their are visible improvements throughout the city. It sounds kind of ass backwards but one of the ways to really decrease the crime rate is to increase its population with good people. It's been happening but just not at a high enough rate, and obviously easier said than done. Need neighborhoods/housing for people/families making 50k-200k.

A lot of the good people left because they couldn't send their children to DPS. Most couples probably don't want to spend 10K per kid, per year for private schooling. They also probably think decent schools should be a product of their property taxes.

[Dan Wesson]

This is what No laws, No morals and Government subsistence dole used to maintain a minimum level economy, get you.

[bust]

Yeah, we looked into Detroit and mostly it was schools that steered us away -- although my wife, who's not from around here, had a few of her own additional reasons.

Crime was a factor too. I have a hard time believing anyone who doesn't think it's a problem.

[Richard]

Yeah, we looked into Detroit and mostly it was schools that steered us away -- although my wife, who's not from around here, had a few of her own additional reasons.

Crime was a factor too. I have a hard time believing anyone who doesn't think it's a problem.

Well,the governor is sitting on 1 billion,that is with a B,in corona virus stimulus monies,that she,if one can even call the female gender a she anymore,has said it is going directly to the schools so time will tell if another billion thrown on top of the other billions will help change that for the better and encourage more to move.