Impeach Whitmer?

[Meddle]

Seems the process has been introduced. Not sure how far along it will get, but if I were in a position to do so, I'd probably vote for it.

[Satiricalivory]

Why?? What has she done wrong?

The intense Whitmer hate some people have is beyond deranged. I dont remember people coming for Snyder's throat for literally poisoning a city and forcing those unconstitutional emergency managers. Not a single peep from these rural nutjobs and conservative suburbanites.

Whitmer says you have to stay home for the good of humanity and they all lose their minds. Acting like Whitmer ate their babies.

[casscorridor]

Why?? What has she done wrong?

The intense Whitmer hate some people have is beyond deranged. I dont remember people coming for Snyder's throat for literally poisoning a city and forcing those unconstitutional emergency managers. Not a single peep from these rural nutjobs and conservative suburbanites.

Whitmer says you have to stay home for the good of humanity and they all lose their minds. Acting like Whitmer ate their babies.

Because they've forgotten the most fundamental freedom of all, the freedom to live. Snyder denied this freedom to live to the residents of Flint, whereas Whitmer is doing her best with what very little she has, to save thousands of lives from a deadly virus. All other freedoms are essentially meaningless if you're dead. Unfortunately too many have given into the temptation of a death cult of narcissism and nihilism. And so he said "I will happily kill my family just to go to Applebees when I feel like it."

[oladub]

Why?? What has she done wrong?

The intense Whitmer hate some people have is beyond deranged. I dont remember people coming for Snyder's throat for literally poisoning a city and forcing those unconstitutional emergency managers. Not a single peep from these rural nutjobs and conservative suburbanites.

Whitmer says you have to stay home for the good of humanity and they all lose their minds. Acting like Whitmer ate their babies.

How does stereotyping rural residents as "nutjobs" bring us together? Even "basket of deplorables" is less pejorative.

Detroit's only role in the Flint saga was to raise the price of Flint's water so high that elected Democratic officials in Flint voted to provide their own water.

[Zacha341]

Umm, I think there's an assumption out there that only the so-called top-of-mind 'militia' right wingers [[up-north) are the only people less than happy with Whitmer. Not all Detroiter's are jolly about Whitmere either!

For one, she won not by the greatest margin in Detroit [[Shri Thaneder almost beat her!) and there's concern re. her 'handling' of the water shuts-offs in Detroit, the Flint Water crisis she inherited, the proposed closing of Benton Harbors one high school, etc. beyond, and before the COVID.

Sure there was some obligatory circling-of-the wagons when she wanted our support when she and Trump were sparing. But the wagon-circling was not without condition. She knows this per certain Detroit bull-horns in the media - loud and clear.

If people are that unhappy with Whitmere they best start considering a better candidate now - rather than later.

How does stereotyping rural residents as "nutjobs" bring us together? Even "basket of deplorables" is less pejorative.

Detroit's only role in the Flint saga was to raise the price of Flint's water so high that elected Democratic officials in Flint voted to provide their own water.

[intelligentBeing]

Why?? What has she done wrong?

The intense Whitmer hate some people have is beyond deranged. I dont remember people coming for Snyder's throat for literally poisoning a city and forcing those unconstitutional emergency managers. Not a single peep from these rural nutjobs and conservative suburbanites.

Whitmer says you have to stay home for the good of humanity and they all lose their minds. Acting like Whitmer ate their babies.

What the hell is this response.. an anxious, infuriated blabbering of stereotypes and false equivalencies? Is it really hard to understand why the lockdown/shutdown orders are not welcomed? I get it that you want to save humanity, but really? You can't bring yourself to at least understand the other side of the argument?

I agree with meddle.

[EastsideAl]

What the hell is this response.. an anxious, infuriated blabbering of stereotypes and false equivalencies? Is it really hard to understand why the lockdown/shutdown orders are not welcomed? I get it that you want to save humanity, but really? You can't bring yourself to at least understand the other side of the argument?

I agree with meddle.

What other side? Yay, sickness and death!? Hey, let's go for 300,000!?

The side where I know people are dying of a communicable disease that spreads in indoor spaces, but I have to sell some more cheeseburgers? Where I know that being in crowded spaces with little distancing between people creates infection hot spots, but I really need to get drunk and party? Where I know a mask helps prevent infection and spread of this deadly disease, but if I wear one I might look wimpy?

I'm sorry, I've been having real trouble for 8 months now seeing this "other side" of a deadly pandemic, or the "other side" of prudent if painful public health measures to try to stop its spread and save lives. Now with an at least partially preventable second wave raging around us and getting worse [[while other countries have been able to control this situation and mostly stay open through prudent public action) I am having real trouble continuing to control my anger over people who for some reason still think there are '2 sides' to a virus.

[Meddle]

What other side?

The side that says this is not a Dictatorship. The side that says Government can advise and recommend people and businesses take certain actions, but cannot order people to stay home or businesses to close under penalty of law.

[Jimaz]

....
I'm sorry, I've been having real trouble for 8 months now seeing this "other side" of a deadly pandemic, or the "other side" of prudent if painful public health measures to try to stop its spread and save lives. Now with an at least partially preventable second wave raging around us and getting worse [[while other countries have been able to control this situation and mostly stay open through prudent public action) I am having real trouble continuing to control my anger over people who for some reason still think there are '2 sides' to a virus.

Since when did they allow adults into this playpen?

[Maof]

What other side? Yay, sickness and death!? Hey, let's go for 300,000!?

The side where I know people are dying of a communicable disease that spreads in indoor spaces, but I have to sell some more cheeseburgers? Where I know that being in crowded spaces with little distancing between people creates infection hot spots, but I really need to get drunk and party? Where I know a mask helps prevent infection and spread of this deadly disease, but if I wear one I might look wimpy?

I'm sorry, I've been having real trouble for 8 months now seeing this "other side" of a deadly pandemic, or the "other side" of prudent if painful public health measures to try to stop its spread and save lives. Now with an at least partially preventable second wave raging around us and getting worse [[while other countries have been able to control this situation and mostly stay open through prudent public action) I am having real trouble continuing to control my anger over people who for some reason still think there are '2 sides' to a virus.

Yes sir! According to this guy, it's "rounding the corner"....going on 8 months now.....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akE9hBslTBA

Meanwhile, he has more important things to do......https://www.businessinsider.com/trum...y-golf-2020-11

[JBMcB]

What other side? Yay, sickness and death!? Hey, let's go for 300,000!?

Here's the other side, as articulated by Dr. David Nabarro of the WHO.



The short of it is, lockdowns are *devastating* to poor people. They should be used in the most targeted and sparing fashion possible. They should not be the first line of defense, but a last resort.

[intelligentBeing]

What other side? Yay, sickness and death!? Hey, let's go for 300,000!?

The side where I know people are dying of a communicable disease that spreads in indoor spaces, but I have to sell some more cheeseburgers? Where I know that being in crowded spaces with little distancing between people creates infection hot spots, but I really need to get drunk and party? Where I know a mask helps prevent infection and spread of this deadly disease, but if I wear one I might look wimpy?

I'm sorry, I've been having real trouble for 8 months now seeing this "other side" of a deadly pandemic, or the "other side" of prudent if painful public health measures to try to stop its spread and save lives. Now with an at least partially preventable second wave raging around us and getting worse [[while other countries have been able to control this situation and mostly stay open through prudent public action) I am having real trouble continuing to control my anger over people who for some reason still think there are '2 sides' to a virus.

I get you want to claim moral high ground and make it seem like people who are anti-lockdown just want people to die, but the fact that you can't even come to understand the other side means you are incapable of even arguing. If you cannot even understand the opposite side of the argument how can you effectively argue against it? You argue against a fake, made up enemy. Believe it or not but the other 50% of people that don't agree with you don't want people to die. It will be impossible for you to ever have a productive conversation on this until you understand that.

To help you understand, I cannot claim this as my own but it explains the "other side" well: "Stay home and save lives" really means "I'm privileged so I can work from home and still make money. I hereby transfer the burden of herd immunity to the workers & peasants who deliver food and keep society functioning while I luxuriate in my personal digital utopia."

[gnome]

satricalivory, I don’t know if I’ve ever read a more concise unpacking of a situation, ever.

While I usually eschew whataboutisms I think you effectively showed the duplicity of a certain segment of Michigan’s electorate by using concrete examples and language.

[CR75]

I don't know about impeachment, but she is ignoring the supreme court order, and that sets a pretty dangerous precedent, imho. If she wants to save humanity, like satiricalivory says, she needs to pass a law in the legislature to do it, that's pretty much what the supreme court said, and what the legislature is trying to get her to do.

These executive orders effectively throw a large segment of the population under the bus [[hospitality/restaurant/retail workers, working single moms, etc. ) and these people, like everyone else, should have their say on how to implement effective safety measures. That's how democracy works.

I was hoping that this is something that both cheerleaders for the blue team and the red team [[I am neither) should be able to agree on. Does not seem that way though from the comments above.

[jcole]

Actually, no, she isn't. The Supreme Court said that the MDHHS has the right to make decisions regarding epidemics and that is who is making the decisions.
The entire issue is that the Republicans sitting in the house don't like having a powerful woman in charge and they want her GONE, so they use their positions to stir up their base by not supporting her. Shirkey is the biggest piece of human slime that is based in Michigan and you can bet that any impeachment talk leads directly back to him and Lucido. Lucido will soon be out of the legislature, leading Macomb County, so he needs to get his digs in now.
If you don't know who Shirkey is, find the photos of militia men with guns in front of the Statehouse the day they announced the terror attempt on the Governor and look for the white haired guy in the suit. He's there with his buddies behind the attempt; tell me that if they dug a little deeper into this, he and a couple others in the legislature wouldn't be involved.

I don't know about impeachment, but she is ignoring the supreme court order, and that sets a pretty dangerous precedent, imho. If she wants to save humanity, like satiricalivory says, she needs to pass a law in the legislature to do it, that's pretty much what the supreme court said, and what the legislature is trying to get her to do.

These executive orders effectively throw a large segment of the population under the bus [[hospitality/restaurant/retail workers, working single moms, etc. ) and these people, like everyone else, should have their say on how to implement effective safety measures. That's how democracy works.

I was hoping that this is something that both cheerleaders for the blue team and the red team [[I am neither) should be able to agree on. Does not seem that way though from the comments above.

[CR75]

Actually, no, she isn't. The Supreme Court said that the MDHHS has the right to make decisions regarding epidemics

yeah sure i agree but who is enforcing those recommendations? who is going to arrest the gym owner who stays open? That's when you need the 1945 Emergency Powers act, which was struck down. Replace that with a new law and I am happy.

[Bong-Man]

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So you're waiting patiently for our Republican led Michigan legislature to take some action ? The same people who refuse to even wear a mask ? Good luck with that !

[sirrealone]

I've voted Republican for every gubernatorial election in Michigan since I've been eligible. You'd think that I'd be right there on the anti-Whitmer bandwagon. But I'm not. I think it's outrageous.

People think she's actively TRYING to shut businesses down? That she WANTS jobs to be lost? Or that she ENJOYS seeing families struggle to take care of their school age children all day?

Come on. Get real. When she ran for and won the election, this isn't what she signed up for. People think she is on some power trip, wielding her sword, and loving the power. I'm pretty sure that she's not enjoying any of this.

I work in the healthcare industry. I don't work on the front lines. I'm in an administrative role. But I'm involved enough to know that the stories on TV about people dying, about how when you go on a ventilator you more than likely won't come off, about how nurses and doctors watch people die and spend every minute afraid of dying, that's all true. Every single bit of it. That's not Whitmer on TV exaggerating anything.

Bottom line, she's trying to do what's right for the state. Does it mean that she actually IS charting the best path? Heck, I don't know. None of us really do. But to think that her intentions are rooted in some form of evil, that she's doing this and laughing maniacally in the background, give me a break.

So to those that want to impeach her, what would happen next? She leaves and this all goes away? Or the next person up would have all the answers? Do we just 'opposite George' the entire thing and do everything 100% different and expect that will solve everything?

[CR75]

Look I don't like those guys either. But we are a country/state of LAWS. The legislature AND the governor need to get together and hash it out. Y'all acting like a bunch of fascists, possibly out of panic, I get it, but I don't think that's the way to go and it's certainly not good for the state long term.

[Scottathew]

Whitmer has my support. Our hospitals will be full by Christmas, probably sooner. We need to do something to save lives and buy us some time until we can get the vaccine to the most vulnerable.

There is no perfect solution.

[Jimaz]

The current Covid19 resurgence has been brought to you as a courtesy of anti-lockdown protesters.

Express your gratitude to Michigan Freedom Fund, American Patriot Council and Michigan United for Liberty.

[Danny]

She did not abuse her power. She is trying to save lives in Michigan. Why impeach her? What a bunch of Trump supported Republican yahoos in the Michigan Legislature. They should all be impeached!

[CassTechGrad]

She just seems so fixated on this “shut-down” idea, it’s like there must be something else going on here. If she just threw a few concessions out there, giving some businesses a little flexibility on allowing them open, it would silence most of her critics and show that she’s willing to listen and try different ideas. All politicians are influenced by politics when they make important serious decisions, but I can’t see what that would be in this case with the shut-down! And by the way, Snyder isn’t any more responsible for that mess in Flint then Whitmer is responsible for the dam failure this year. Bureaucratic administrators are in charge of that kind of stuff. The worst they are guilty of is poor judgement on who they appoint to these positions.

[jcole]

Here is the list of "rules" from Sunday night. I don't see a "shutdown" listed. Some businesses are restricted for 3 weeks. They are ones that crowds gather at and are being restricted. Restaurants can remain open for carry out and outdoor dining; gyms can be open for individual use; hair salons, barbers, etc are still open. It's only group settings that allows virii to spread more readily that are closed. Manufacturing is open, stores are open, nurseries are open, daycare is open, etc, etc.

• High school classes must now be conducted remotely.
• College classes must now be conducted remotely.
• Work must be done remotely, unless the job absolutely has to be done in person.
• Indoor dining is no longer allowed at bars and restaurants.
• Organized sports are no longer permitted, with the exception of professional sports and a select number of NCAA sports.
• Group fitness classes are no longer allowed.
• Theaters and movie theaters must close.
• Stadiums and arenas must close.
• Bowling alleys will be closed.
• Ice skating rinks will be closed.
• Indoor water parks will be closed.
• Bingo halls will be closed.
• Casinos will be closed.
• Arcades will be closed.

She just seems so fixated on this “shut-down” idea, it’s like there must be something else going on here. If she just threw a few concessions out there, giving some businesses a little flexibility on allowing them open, it would silence most of her critics and show that she’s willing to listen and try different ideas. All politicians are influenced by politics when they make important serious decisions, but I can’t see what that would be in this case with the shut-down! And by the way, Snyder isn’t any more responsible for that mess in Flint then Whitmer is responsible for the dam failure this year. Bureaucratic administrators are in charge of that kind of stuff. The worst they are guilty of is poor judgement on who they appoint to these positions.

[Meddle]

I don't see a "shutdown" listed.

• Theaters and movie theaters must close.
• Stadiums and arenas must close.
• Bowling alleys will be closed.
• Ice skating rinks will be closed.
• Indoor water parks will be closed.
• Bingo halls will be closed.
• Casinos will be closed.
• Arcades will be closed.

Closed doesn't mean shutdown? Ha! Who knew????