Voter Fraud in Detroit?

[Meddle]

Should a vote in Iron County carry less weight than a vote in Wayne County?

And what do you do with places like Geobic County where residents are likely more Wisconsin focused?

[jcole]

No, every vote should weigh the same, no matter where it is cast, so the EC is an unfair measure of elections

Should a vote in Iron County carry less weight than a vote in Wayne County?

And what do you do with places like Geobic County where residents are likely more Wisconsin focused?

[jcole]

Apparently, 4 of the 5 Pointes went blue this year:

Metro Detroit's voting patterns are shifting in concert with a larger pattern that has residents in affluent suburbs across the country voting Democratic, at least when Trump is on the ballot. And that trend extends to the Grosse Pointes, where Biden reportedly won or nearly tied in four of five of the historically Republican enclaves.

https://www.deadlinedetroit.com/arti...jv1CLHp-uD1y5Q
https://www.grossepointenews.com/election-results-2020/

[Gistok]

So, how do you deal with that? People move to the country to get away from city life and city government. Yet you still have cities determining things like the EC vote simply by way of the number of votes ... population.

Do you somehow portion out the EC vote by population percentage, or county?

If Michigan did it like Maine or Nebraska, then the Electoral College vote winner is by congressional districts. What that would mean in Michigan is that among the 16 Electoral votes, the upper peninsula and upper half [[and western) lower peninsula would get perhaps a total of 6-7 Electoral votes going to Trump instead of all going to the state wide winner.

But 48 US states give it a winner takes all Electoral College tally. Biden got one of Nebraska's Electoral votes [[Omaha), and Trump got one of Maine's [[northern part of Maine) Electoral votes.

But with so much Gerrymandering going on in so many states, even an Electoral tally by congressional district can have skewed results.

It's by far not a perfect system any way we look at it.

[Henry Whalley]

Revelations: We are living in the End-Times of the McDonald tRump.

Donald Trump: Christian Fundamentalists See End-Times President - Rolling Stone

[Richard]

No, every vote should weigh the same, no matter where it is cast, so the EC is an unfair measure of elections

Free and fair elections is what the constitution regulates,if there is no EC 5 cities would rule the country as a whole,might as well be a dictatorship considering those cities are blue.

I guess if one desires the dictatorship route then,yes the EC is the stop gap to prevent that from happening so it would be considered unfair to that cause.

[Richard]

Sorry Richard... when you post... you lose people's interest in reading, after the first paragraph. I'm sure rules vary by state when it comes to what the governor can or cannot veto... which requires reading the constitution of each state.

See I told you that you were governorship material,because here you are speaking for the people portraying the image you would like your subjects to follow.

You mentioned banana republic?

There is a federal voting act that sets the guidelines that delegates the powers to the state legislature,by design no state legislature is going to give any governor veto powers.

It Kinda defeats the whole concept of not allowing one singular person to have the finial say.

You also mentioned something about 5th grade stuff?

So what does all of this have to do with Detroit?

Every city is controlled by powers that be,the only way you remove that harness is by your vote,if we stay vigilant then they are less apt to remain in power by fraudulent votes.

You wonder why all of these cities have stayed the same the last 50 years,you are seeing why now.

The only differences between the presidential election and local elections is the presidential election is won by EC,local election is won by popular vote.

If you are going to make change in your city you have to get involved and your vote needs to matter,because anybody that thinks local politics is not a controlled situation is not paying attention.

It has been going on for decades,it does not matter who takes the White House,your daily life and the health and progress of your city is impacted more by your voice at the local level.

That is exactly what they want you to do,eccept the nothing to see here,move along because if makes it easier to keep control.

Its like the old days with the mob dropping off boxes of ballots

You saw nothing- right?

[Henry Whalley]

Sorry Richard... when you post... you lose people's interest in reading, after the first paragraph

Life is too short to read Richard's pablum.

[SammyS]

Keep it up Richard. I not only enjoy reading your posts, but actually get an education out of them.

[Zacha341]

Many claim [[and have claimed) dates and time. The scorning's nothing new.

Yet there are some religions with end-time claims that will not be.

Additionally, the Climate Scientists say/ said 12 years! Hah!

Wait! They said that last year so we're down to 11 give or two a few weeks!

And then well Nostradamas said.... and, um the Mayans too!

Revelations: We are living in the End-Times of the McDonald tRump.

Donald Trump: Christian Fundamentalists See End-Times President - Rolling Stone

[Zacha341]

Suit asks Supreme Court to take custody of all election materials...

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/ne...ts/6438804002/

[Gistok]

Keep it up Richard. I not only enjoy reading your posts, but actually get an education out of them.

Well... many here are not surprised. Good luck with that education...

[Gistok]

Suit asks Supreme Court to take custody of all election materials...


https://www.detroitnews.com/story/ne...ts/6438804002/

If the Michigan Supreme Court were to ask for proof, do you think this will go the same way as the 30+ other cases filed around the nation where they claim one thing to the public... but say another thing in front of a judge[[s), so as not to perjure themselves?

Get out the popcorn...

[Zacha341]

It certainly appears so. What a mess!

[Richard]

Life is too short to read Richard's pablum.

Who exactly does that even make sense to ? You must be reading them otherwise you would not be commenting.

Its okay though,without opposition we would be Gistoks preferred banana republic.

[Richard]

If the Michigan Supreme Court were to ask for proof, do you think this will go the same way as the 30+ other cases filed around the nation where they claim one thing to the public... but say another thing in front of a judge[[s), so as not to perjure themselves?

Get out the popcorn...

The FBI has also requested all proof of voter fraud from the legal teams for investigation,there has been over 2000 people charged with it so far,outside of that request.

Like they say,it ain’t over until the weight challenged lady sings.

[Richard]

Well... many here are not surprised. Good luck with that education...

Okay gov,got cha - after your governorship is over,any plans for 2024?

You do realize that this is all about exhausting all routes in order to take it to the US Supreme Court in the fastest amount of time.

Because the constitution also calls for time restricted deadlines so when stuff like this happens it does not drag out for ever,the wheel must keep turning at all costs.

These are some of the top lawyers in the country,they are not exactly fumbling around in the dark.

You know what is interesting is,and hypothetically speaking or writing,IF it is determined presidential candidate Biden wins,all of his state win results are lower then Obama’s and Clinton’s.

What is even more interesting and as witnessed by the democrats loosing across the board in a majority with local,state,house and senate elections a majority that voted only checked the presidential box and no other boxes concerning any other elections.

So either the only concern was to remove Trump and zero cares about any other election or there was hanky panky going on.

Why would you guys want to put a democrat in the White House while at the same time strip him of any power by not voting for any democrats locally or state wide or the house and senate?

If he had the popular vote as a majority,he would have also had enough votes to take the house and senate.

So the question stands - Why did the majority only check the Biden for president box and no other boxes?

You know what is even more perplexing,why would the state of Michigan where a majority has manufacturing DNA flowing through their blood,vote as a majority for the guy that played the largest part in putting you where you are at today,even more so after he made it clear the first thing he was going to do is remove the tariffs that will throw your manufacturing base even more under the bridge.

I get people did not like the current guy but what is the point of throwing your own city and state under the bus for a moment of pleasure? There are going to be future generations that will now be forced to leave for greener pastures.

All so a percentage can say yay we got the sucker.

You do realize no matter the outcome,Trump has a supporting base of 70 million,the highest of any president and will be controlling the Republican Party because of that base,no way in the world you got rid of him,no matter what.

[Gistok]

You do realize no matter the outcome,Trump has a supporting base of 70 million,the highest of any president and will be controlling the Republican Party because of that base,no way in the world you got rid of him,no matter what.

This I totally agree with... Trump will try to control the Republican Party from the side... like no other ex-president [[that I can think of at the moment). This is very troubling for our democracy... he will try to control the Republicans in congress from the sidelines... not exactly the way a democracy should work.

Hopefully his 2 Big Mac's a day will sideline him some day... because no person in this country should be so close to being a dictator [[or kingmaker). The good news is that he'll be Sleepy Joe's age in 4 years, and maybe won't be fit for office. One can only hope.

Part of the problem though are the fake news services that are like our own version of Hitler's Goebbels and his Propoganda Ministry. My late parents lived thru Nazi Germany from the inside, and I have heard many stories about the spin doctoring that the Nazi's did to make believers out of the populous.

I will agree that not everything that the MSM says is 100% factual, but what Fox, Breitbart, OAN, Newsmax, et al are spouting off is the closest thing to Goebbels we have in our lifetime. The ugliness in our politics can be attributed to the start of the Murdoch's building their news empire. They are no better, and probably far worse than George Soros.

[Zacha341]

It'll be interesting to note if possible [[beyond the you MUST love-Trump if you did NOT vote Biden bubble) that more than a few didn't sign on to the Biden/ Harris ticket as an obligatory response to Trump. Making their voice known not voting for Biden or necessarily voting Trump! These individuals don't fit the media and politically driven, tidy, 50/50 split.

This name-calling hard-line split engenders people to defend and be ally to their 'candidate', right or wrong -- absent the ability and necessity to challenge policies coming that must be carefully examined beyond the two-party bubble! If we don't we'll be in for surprises and loses from looking solely in one direction re. policies and pending governance:

Top down federal, to state and cities!

[Richard]

I watch the left propaganda machine more then any other to a point,mostly because they dominate Pluto and streaming,but how exactly do they differ from Goebbels style of spin doctoring?

During the Russian collusion debacle,they had a steady stream 24/7 of so called experts proving that it happened with bombshell evidence,I also watched the hearings and saw many cases where something was said then later on the exact opposite was reported.

Now days it is east to catch them because nowadays we have that fancy little contraption that records things.

People watch what supports their cause,personally I prefer watching unbiased foreign news services but yet when I post something that somebody does not agree with,right away the,stop getting your news from Fox,which to me shows biased because one is unwilling to even look at different viewpoints.

The are actual clips of the Nazi propaganda machine in action,I find it more informative to watch them to find out first hand because if somebody is still surviving from 1937 to 1939 they would have been a small child at that time,who really pays attention to the news at age 3?

Lets be honest,how much Trump hatred is the result of creating things in ones head and not actual fact based,we are not in WW3 as promised,the mamby pambys that promised to move to Canada never did and still let us know but they still survived the 4 years.

Trump has not been the only drama machine in all of this ,many took the ball and rolled with it for their 15 minutes and book deals where nobody would have know they existed or cared if they did or not.

I think all of the media drama of the last 4 years is better compared with Hoover style,because that is what he did,created a false narrative for the goal of destroying people and the media was right along side of him back then as well.

This all had zero to do with Trump policy and everything to do with destroying people that we do not agree with,same as in social media,do not agree with somebody out comes the attacks,tell me I am wrong.

The really interesting part is both the conservatives and the conservative democrats came together in unity in order to use the same machine to destroy the socialist party,46 times they have tried to assume power and this makes it the 46th time they have failed.

The machine was also used to destroy the tea party.

Which shows we are capable of coming together to meet common goals.

[Richard]

It'll be interesting to note if possible [[beyond the you MUST love-Trump if you did NOT vote Biden bubble) that more than a few didn't sign on to the Biden/ Harris ticket as an obligatory response to Trump. Making their voice known not voting for Biden or necessarily voting Trump! These individuals don't fit the media and politically driven, tidy, 50/50 split.

This name-calling hard-line split engenders people to defend and be ally to their 'candidate', right or wrong -- absent the ability and necessity to challenge policies coming that must be carefully examined beyond the two-party bubble! If we don't we'll be in for surprises and loses from looking solely in one direction re. policies and pending governance:

Top down federal, to state and cities!

I am surprised that whole - If you do not vote for me you ain’t black comment got such a pass,cities would be burning to the ground if Trump has said that.

That’s Kinda like telling somebody you are to stupid to think for yourself,but if you vote for me,I will make sure you are taken care of.

Even more so from a party that fought tooth and nail to keep the AF community from the voting process in the first place,it was the Republican Party that had to force the voting rights act into law in the first place.

Its either or,like you say,remove that independent thought from the very country that was formed based on the ability to have independent thought without repercussions.

Have independent thought and you are a conspiracy theorist and need to get back in your place or we will destroy your credibility.

[Bong-Man]

tell me I am wrong.

Um, okay...

You seem amazed that someone in Michigan would vote a split-ticket. Why ?? We have for years. It's the very reason both parties had Michigan in play. As an example, I know plenty of people who voted for Biden & John James.

Your manufacturing rant fails to acknowledge that the pandemic response was the number #1 issue of this election. For all the crying on the Right towards her response, Whitmer consistently drew a 60% approval rating for her actions. Trump hovered at 40%. Throw in the rants of, "Stop the Testing !", "Liberate Michigan !", "Rise Up !", threats against the Governor, and other useless nonsense, you fail to recognize that Trump lost this State by his own doing. He only won by 10,000 votes in 2016. Why is it so hard to recognize that with a 40% pandemic approval rating, he lost this State by 150,000 or so votes ? He'll never get it, and neither will you.

The Supreme Court shies away from cases that infringe on States' rights towards voting. I doubt they'll even hear his case. If they do, Don is going to find out his loyalty game doesn't extend to people with lifetime appointments.

You do realize no matter the outcome,Trump has a supporting base of 70 million,the highest of any president and will be controlling the Republican Party because of that base,no way in the world you got rid of him,no matter what.

The loser with the most votes ever. You'd make a great Lions' fan.

[Gistok]

The loser with the most votes ever.

Remember when he said that Biden was the worst politician ever to run for president. I wonder how it feels losing "to the worst politician ever" to run for president!

[Bong-Man]

Remember when he said that Biden was the worst politician ever to run for president. I wonder how it feels losing "to the worst politician ever" to run for president!

He did 'threaten' to leave the country if he lost. As mentioned on SNL News by Colin Jost, "Please don't make promises you have no intention of keeping".

[Scottathew]

Trump's claims of voter fraud are fake, a hoax, manufactured, not based in reality.

I'm glad to see that through all the various lawsuits that Trump has filed that each court has said, over and over again, in state after state, that there is no evidence of voting fraud. I welcome any investigations that follow credible evidence in the months to come.

In the meantime, I feel more confident in ever that the country can move on. Trump can finish his term. On January 20th Biden can start his term. It's America. We live in a democracy. We get to vote. Our votes matter.