Plot to kidnap Governor Whitmer

**Maof** · October-08-20, 12:12 PM

https://apnews.com/article/michigan-checks-and-balances-archive-gretchen-whitmer-da09ca66cd8d5f36722021d3593425ff

**401don** · October-08-20, 12:18 PM

CNN is showing the press conference. It's not just rural Mich. wackos. Search warrants were issued all over the state. Several in the Metro Detroit area.

**Maof** · October-08-20, 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by 401don

CNN is showing the press conference. It's not just rural Mich. wackos. Search warrants were issued all over the state. Several in the Metro Detroit area.

I believe Ohio too.

**Ann_Shamrock** · October-08-20, 05:34 PM

wow this is the first i'm hearing about this

**GPCharles** · October-08-20, 12:32 PM

Wow, did they make public their ransom demand?

**401don** · October-08-20, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by GPCharles

Wow, did they make public their ransom demand?

This wasn't about ransom. It was about overthrowing the gov't and creating their happy place.

**ABetterDetroit** · October-08-20, 01:24 PM

The story made the BBC.

Gee, maybe it’s time not to let these morons in the state capital with their rifles now...

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-54470427

**Meddle** · October-08-20, 01:51 PM

13 men face charges in plot to kidnap Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, start 'civil war'

MLive|15 minutes ago

Federal and state law enforcers on Thursday announced charges in what has been described as an "elaborate" plan to commit kidnap Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, kill police and overturn the government.

https://www.mlive.com/public-interes...civil-war.html

**Henry Whalley** · October-08-20, 01:54 PM

Serving life sentences will afford those Wolverine Watchmen plenty of time to study the Constitution. And since COVID-19 restrictions don't exist in penitentiaries, they'll be exposed to a full Bill of Rights worth of bacterium and viruses.

P.S. For Darwin's sake, I just hope those clowns didn't have kids.

**Jimaz** · October-08-20, 02:15 PM

Witmer just made a statement. She even quoted Ronald Reagan. She didn't mention whether she had a security detail. Does she?

**MikeM** · October-08-20, 02:22 PM

“The group talked about creating a society that followed the U.S. Bill of Rights and where they could be self-sufficient,” the FBI agent wrote.

Guys like these can't do their own laundry. How are they going to run their own "republic"?

In a brief court hearing in Grand Rapids that took about five minutes, Garbin, 24, and Franks told a judge that they would need court-appointed attorneys based on their financial status.

So typical. Money and time to drive around the midwest, peak under bridges, buy explosives and weapons, but somehow jobless and penniless.

**jcole** · October-09-20, 08:20 AM

They're "anarchists"; they don't need our government. Let them find their own freaking attorneys. Stay away from my tax dollars.

Originally Posted by MikeM

Guys like these can't do their own laundry. How are they going to run their own "republic"?

So typical. Money and time to drive around the midwest, peak under bridges, buy explosives and weapons, but somehow jobless and penniless.

**bust** · October-12-20, 08:20 PM

Originally Posted by MikeM

In a brief court hearing in Grand Rapids that took about five minutes, Garbin, 24, and Franks told a judge that they would need court-appointed attorneys based on their financial status.

So typical. Money and time to drive around the midwest, peak under bridges, buy explosives and weapons, but somehow jobless and penniless.

And happy to accept taxpayer-funded social services whenever it suits them, meanwhile railing against the supposed "welfare state."

**Henry Whalley** · October-08-20, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by Scottathew

It's annoying that so many are identifying them as "militia" members and not a terrorist organization.

Militia is just another word for terrorist organization IMHO going back to colonial Virginia, for instance, when the Virginia militia terrorized slaves and Indians. I believe that George Washington served in that militia.

**bust** · October-12-20, 08:26 PM

Originally Posted by Henry Whalley

Militia is just another word for terrorist organization...

Many say it's what you call white terrorists. I've heard some who consciously [[or unconsciously) support them describe them as "vigilantes." Some even falsely say they're "freedom fighters" or "patriots," first among them the terrorists themselves. I'm so tired of hearing them called the "michigan militia" as if it's debatable they're honorable.

Call them what they are. Brainwashed belligerent fools is about as forgiving as a fair description could be, and it would be far too generous for many of them.

**rb336** · October-18-20, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by bust

Many say it's what you call white terrorists.

I prefer what Trevor Noah calls them: Pale ISIS

**G-DDT** · October-27-20, 03:43 AM

Originally Posted by rb336

I prefer what Trevor Noah calls them: Pale ISIS

The two ongoing jokes on Reddit are "Vanilla ISIS" and "Y'All Qaeda".

**EastsideAl** · October-08-20, 07:21 PM

Originally Posted by Scottathew

It's annoying that so many are identifying them as "militia" members and not a terrorist organization.

This is Trump-encouraged terrorism. Sad day for Michigan.

Apparently this thing was quite a bit wider than our usual woods-running wannabe militia loons. According to the FBI this plot was hatched at two meetings of people from "several states" in Dublin OH near Columbus, where they discussed assassinating or kidnapping public officials. So, essentially terrorism bordering on armed insurrection.

The plot they hatched involved kidnapping Gov. Whitmer at her cottage. But it was bigger than that, since they were reportedly also planning an armed take over of the capital, kidnapping of other state officials, attacking police officers in their homes, and attacking Michigan State Police facilities.

Thank goodness this terrorist insanity was stopped. But the wider conspiracy aspect of this situation is extremely concerning. Especially since this kind of thing has essentially been cheerlead by the totally irresponsible statements and unhinged tweetstorms of that man in the White House.

**Gistok** · October-08-20, 09:22 PM

These stupid chumps were going to kidnap her at the Mackinac Island Governor's Mansion. What were they going to do... make a get-away in a horse and buggy to the nearest boat?

The time it would have taken to get her to the mainland would have been more than enough time to get several law enforcement agencies helicopters and airplanes to be in hot pursuit.

**Lowell** · October-09-20, 09:31 AM

Originally Posted by Gistok

These stupid chumps were going to kidnap her at the Mackinac Island Governor's Mansion. What were they going to do... make a get-away in a horse and buggy to the nearest boat?

Correction needed. She has her own private 'up north' residence somewhere in the Grand Traverse region and this was the target. It made me wonder why she was not using the Mackinac Island Governor's residence. I'm guessing she likes her place better and politically it probably looks better to not be on the tax-payer's dime. There is still the expense of securing her private residence, the cost of which just went up.

**jcole** · October-09-20, 11:26 AM

They stupidly showed her cottage on Round Lake this morning on the news. It's not what I would call a mansion, but something either she or her husband owned before they married and is probably a comfortable place for their blended family to be together. Also, if she had been using the Mackinac Island place during Covid it would have been just another thing for the anti maskers to bitch about.

Originally Posted by Lowell

Correction needed. She has her own private 'up north' residence somewhere in the Grand Traverse region and this was the target. It made me wonder why she was not using the Mackinac Island Governor's residence. I'm guessing she likes her place better and politically it probably looks better to not be on the tax-payer's dime. There is still the expense of securing her private residence, the cost of which just went up.

**MikeM** · October-09-20, 08:21 AM

Originally Posted by Maof

What this necessary?

Make no mistake, this episode is less about freedom or tyranny than it is about misogynism and emasculation.

**Zacha341** · October-09-20, 03:59 PM

Well maybe it is, or maybe it ain't, or the cow jumped over the moon, but more than a few Detroiter's want her not kidnapped, but on duty right here.

So we can hold her accountable. Kidnapping not the move!

Originally Posted by MikeM

Make no mistake, this episode is less about freedom or tyranny than it is about misogynism and emasculation.

**jcole** · October-09-20, 08:40 AM

They weren't. The plot was to take her to Wisconsin and have a kangaroo court and execute her. I hope that's as funny to you as your smarmy little comment there.
The ransom was going to be for other statehouse members, but I doubt that was going to end well either since they intended to attempt to start a civil war.

Originally Posted by oladub

How much did they expect to ransom Gretchen for?

**oladub** · October-09-20, 09:26 AM

Originally Posted by jcole

They weren't. The plot was to take her to Wisconsin and have a kangaroo court and execute her. I hope that's as funny to you as your smarmy little comment there.
The ransom was going to be for other statehouse members, but I doubt that was going to end well either since they intended to attempt to start a civil war.

Given that:
-one of the co-founders of the Wolverine Militia was in his own words an anti-Trump anarchist,
-the plot to kidnap the Governor on Mackinac Island and take her to Wisconsin was something that the Mossad but probably not the Wolverine Militia was capable of,
-this narrative came out one month before the election,
-the FBI is withholding requested information from Republican investigators taking sides against Trump,
-the FBI was conspicuously absent from running down antifa types setting up riots in Portland, Minneapolis, etc.,
-and given that the story has become the latest overnight leftist talking point,

I am assuming that the story is political in design, fake news or at least a hyped narrative based on some partial facts. So yes, since I doubt that the story is much more than spun factoids about a bunch of incompetent wannabees, It is funny that so many on the left believe this is much more than politics. I have thought about it though and perhaps my comment about "How much do they expect to ransom Gretchen for" was smarmy. Upon reflection, I'll change that to "These guys are such losers that they would probably have to dig into their own pockets to get someone to take Gretchen back."