Plot to kidnap Governor Whitmer

**Meddle** · October-09-20, 03:15 PM

Barry County Sheriff needs to be removed from Office:

https://www.mic.com/p/this-michigan-...itmer-38330170

**Zacha341** · October-09-20, 03:59 PM

Well maybe it is, or maybe it ain't, or the cow jumped over the moon, but more than a few Detroiter's want her not kidnapped, but on duty right here.

So we can hold her accountable. Kidnapping not the move!

Originally Posted by MikeM

Make no mistake, this episode is less about freedom or tyranny than it is about misogynism and emasculation.

**Henry Whalley** · October-09-20, 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by hybridy

White supremacy tied to domestic terrorism has a long and storied history in the US...

Agreed. In the 1930s even some law enforcement officers were members of the Black Legion in Oakland and Wayne Counties. The Legion, which was too far right even for the KKK, was wont to exterminate all Blacks, Hispanics, Jews, and Catholics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_...ical_movement)

**Maof** · October-09-20, 06:51 PM

Originally Posted by Meddle

Barry County Sheriff needs to be removed from Office:

https://www.mic.com/p/this-michigan-...itmer-38330170

He sure should be removed......https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...i-b916363.html

Sounds a little nervous to me.....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNbW_prI5Xc

**hybridy** · October-10-20, 07:43 AM

WDIV tweeted this:

“ After much discussion in our newsroom, we've decided that moving forward, we will be using the term "domestic terrorism" or "domestic terrorist," rather than militia. We feel these words better define the subjects of the investigation.”

Read FBI complaint here:
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/six-arrested-federal-charge-conspiracy-kidnap-governor-michigan

**missn** · October-10-20, 10:55 AM

Originally Posted by Henry Whalley

Agreed. In the 1930s even some law enforcement officers were members of the Black Legion in Oakland and Wayne Counties. The Legion, which was too far right even for the KKK, was wont to exterminate all Blacks, Hispanics, Jews, and Catholics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_...ical_movement)

Thanks for sharing that. I never heard of this group. Terroristic activity has a long history in Michigan.

**Honky Tonk** · October-10-20, 11:05 AM

One things for sure, she's certainly getting a lot of media coverage over this. And just 25 days before the election. I wonder how long the FBI was on to them?

**401don** · October-10-20, 11:26 AM

Originally Posted by Honky Tonk

One things for sure, she's certainly getting a lot of media coverage over this. And just 25 days before the election. I wonder how long the FBI was on to them?

Yes she's a democrat but it's not like she's up for re-election now. They've known since the beginning of the year. The difficulty in an investigation like this is knowing when to pull the trigger on arrests. Too soon and you miss arresting others who are involved or risk the charges not sticking or a reduced sentence. Too late is obviously the worst scenario.

**Richard** · October-10-20, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by Honky Tonk

One things for sure, she's certainly getting a lot of media coverage over this. And just 25 days before the election. I wonder how long the FBI was on to them?

They were monitoring them from the start months ago after social media posts in March.

They are saying they could have shut them down at any time but waited until they met in order to pool funds to buy explosives and swap tactical gear.

It appears to be two different groups with two different agendas.

Not shur where the white supremacy aspect comes in sense the guy hated Trump and as noted earlier was an anarchist.

Both groups were anti government and had nothing to do with race based civil war as pushed,they were anti government and skin color had little to do with it.

What is even more interesting is this was a federal operation that went on for over 5 months and nothing was said to state or local governments and nobody had a clue.

Considering how many groups are actually in the state and the thousands of members,this group had to go out of state in order to get support,which actually shows the threat level that exists is pretty low.

A lot of the existing groups that people like to call right wing are extremely close knit and would not even allow people this radical within even 10 feet of them.

If I do not give you a boogy man you will not depend on me for keeping you safe and you will not need me.

**Meddle** · October-10-20, 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by Richard

What is even more interesting is this was a federal operation that went on for over 5 months and nothing was said to state or local governments and nobody had a clue.

I suppose that's why they moved her and her family around several times.

**Gistok** · October-10-20, 05:27 PM

^^ She may not want to leave. I'm not sure a cabinet position is a move up from a governorship. To me it seems more like a lateral move.

**Honky Tonk** · October-10-20, 07:19 PM

Yeah, those conspiracy theorists...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/whitmer-p...050826344.html

**Richard** · October-10-20, 08:04 PM

This contains the affidavit with the charge of conspiracy to kidnap.

https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/...io/5927049002/

The plot was actually hatched,according to this, in Ohio.

**jcole** · October-11-20, 08:30 AM

Yeah, Dublin, OH; That's been all over the news since this broke. That was the FBI's hook into this. I believe they had infiltrated that group. They are who brought MI terrorists into this. Not a secret.

Originally Posted by Richard

This contains the affidavit with the charge of conspiracy to kidnap.

https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/...io/5927049002/

The plot was actually hatched,according to this, in Ohio.

**admin** · October-11-20, 12:32 PM

Off topic and / or Non-Metro-Detroit-Windsor political posts in this thread have been moved to Plot to Kidnap Gov. Whitmer - Off Topic and/or Political Post Dump.

Kindly keep the Discuss Detroit discussions on topic and politics local to the Detroit-Windsor metropolis only.

**Zacha341** · October-12-20, 07:14 AM

I've been a away from much blogging or posting: buried up to ears in work, both distanced learning and distanced teaching [[good times!).

Last I heard the kidnap king-pin cretin was a local anarchist radical type not particularly 'feeling' Trump either? Any updated details on that?

**Lowell** · October-12-20, 09:04 AM

This day-by-day journal of their activities makes it appear that law enforcement has a very strong case. If these facts hold up this was no bar stool conspiracy.

https://freep-mi.newsmemory.com?publ...cded63_1343857

**Henry Whalley** · October-12-20, 09:38 AM

Originally Posted by Zacha341

Last I heard the kidnap king-pin cretin was a local anarchist radical type not particularly 'feeling' Trump either?

Yeah, it's a simple case of 'Civilization and Its Discontents' as described by Sigmund Freud who theorized that humans have certain instincts that are immutable, most notably the desires for sex, and the predisposition to violent aggression towards authority figures and sexual competitors, who obstruct the individual's path to gratification.

Civilization generally imprisons men unable to repress these instincts as rapists or murderers [[they're usually males.)

**Danny** · October-12-20, 01:02 PM

Now what if the kidnapping of Michigan Gov. Whitmer happen and be killed by the Wolverine-Bugaloo Militia.

1. She will be killed with no ransom.

2. It will set the signal for White Supremacists for a Civil War and Michigan Legislature will be in hold hostage and will clash with the National Guard along with the U.S. Armed Forces.

3. Later other White Supremacists and Q people will join forces and attack every state, federal and local government and attack blacks, liberals, Jews, Hispanics and East Asians [[especially Chinese Americans).

4. Our American society will be turned upside down. Activities stop chaos and anarchy will tear this free nation apart. The whole world is very frightened because they hold thousands of the nuclear missiles. And anytime some yahoo American terrorist or even our President Trump may release them targeting anywhere there is anarchy. It might go out of control and strike any nation including Russia. The Russians will retaliate by sending their A-bombs and then comes World War III.

**bust** · October-12-20, 08:20 PM

Originally Posted by MikeM

In a brief court hearing in Grand Rapids that took about five minutes, Garbin, 24, and Franks told a judge that they would need court-appointed attorneys based on their financial status.

So typical. Money and time to drive around the midwest, peak under bridges, buy explosives and weapons, but somehow jobless and penniless.

And happy to accept taxpayer-funded social services whenever it suits them, meanwhile railing against the supposed "welfare state."

**bust** · October-12-20, 08:26 PM

Originally Posted by Henry Whalley

Militia is just another word for terrorist organization...

Many say it's what you call white terrorists. I've heard some who consciously [[or unconsciously) support them describe them as "vigilantes." Some even falsely say they're "freedom fighters" or "patriots," first among them the terrorists themselves. I'm so tired of hearing them called the "michigan militia" as if it's debatable they're honorable.

Call them what they are. Brainwashed belligerent fools is about as forgiving as a fair description could be, and it would be far too generous for many of them.

**bust** · October-12-20, 08:41 PM

Originally Posted by Henry Whalley

Agreed. In the 1930s even some law enforcement officers were members of the Black Legion in Oakland and Wayne Counties. The Legion, which was too far right even for the KKK, was wont to exterminate all Blacks, Hispanics, Jews, and Catholics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_...ical_movement)

I couldn't imagine Detroit history couldn't be more racist than I already knew, but this proved me wrong.

I had never heard of this before.

**401don** · October-14-20, 07:29 AM

Local sheriff says defends group saying maybe they were just trying to make a felony arrest. Yeah, okay.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/14/us/mi...ias/index.html

**Cincinnati_Kid** · October-14-20, 12:04 PM

Originally Posted by 401don

Local sheriff says defends group saying maybe they were just trying to make a felony arrest. Yeah, okay.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/14/us/mi...ias/index.html

B.S. like this is the problem. This is NOT ok.