BLM Protests Continue-Where's This Going? Intended Outcomes?

**Zacha341** · August-18-20, 09:06 AM

Hah! I find the hair-splitting re. two white supremacists there vs. nut-case and his posse over here vs. three green-haired sophomore college students at the rear almost amusing if not so DAMN useless towards a solution!

Originally Posted by Honky Tonk

This no longer has anything to do with civil rights, George Floyd, or equality. It's just anarchy, rioting, and looting. Whether it's white supremacist, antifa, or blm, the whole thing is in a free fall.

**Zacha341** · August-18-20, 09:12 AM

Insane. Yet the elite stand back assuming it will never reach them. For now ...

Originally Posted by Dan Wesson

Marquise "Keese" Lee Love. Be the Bunboy with the haymaker kick.

**Honky Tonk** · August-18-20, 10:37 AM

Originally Posted by Zacha341

Insane. Yet the elite stand back assuming it will never reach them. For now ...

And when it does, they panic.

https://news.yahoo.com/south-dakota-...112054319.html

**oladub** · August-18-20, 10:54 AM

Originally Posted by bust

For all the talk about property damage in Minneapolis, what do you think about the video showing the man who started it all by smashing the first windows where soon later the first fire was set, how he's been identified by Minneapolis police, and how he's a white supremacist?

I say, put this white supremacist in jail if found guilty and put the thousands or tens of thousands of other non-white supremacist looters and arsonists in jail with the same sentences for doing the same thing. Stop voting for Democrats who tolerate or condone violence and destruction from anyone while you are at it.

Your mention of an exception to left winger anarchists associated with antifa proves the rule.

"The presence of an exception applying to a specific case establishes [["proves") that a general rule exists. A more explicit phrasing might be "the exception that proves the existence of the rule."

**bust** · August-18-20, 06:20 PM

Originally Posted by oladub

Your mention of an exception to left winger anarchists associated with antifa proves the rule.

I mentioned no exception and can't even imagine how you could interpret that I did. Re-read my post. There isn't anywhere that even suggests the possibility.

Originally Posted by oladub

I say, put this white supremacist in jail if found guilty and put the thousands or tens of thousands of other non-white supremacist looters and arsonists in jail with the same sentences for doing the same thing.

I have no tolerance for looters and arsonists, make no excuses for them, and think they should be held to an equal standard. I totally agree with you, except your numbers are absurdly off. Of course this was not the only white looter or arsonist, nor the only white supremacist. Whites have been many of the worst offenders. Video evidence abounds. And I dare say none of the perpetrators, regardless of race, have any connection with Black Lives Matter, except they've taken advantage of the situation.

In the case of the white vandals, many have been purposefully and literally stoking the fires in order to make the situation worse. White supremacist Mitchell Carlson [[aka "umbrella man") spray painted "Free Shit for Everyone Zone" next to the windows at the Minneapolis Auto Zone before breaking them.

**bust** · August-18-20, 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by Zacha341

^ I kinda thought it might be a white supremacist among the protestors.

Then you had the white gal that accused the black man of giving her some explosives to throw [[or was it that he threw them?).

Spin the knob -- there's all kinds!

In the meantime you have this.......

I'm disgusted by it too. Some places at night have had obvious problems with vandals, other criminals, and [[at best) delinquents looking for trouble.

But those people have nothing to do with Black Lives Matter. They've been taking advantage of the situation for their own malevolent ends after the protesters go home.

Black Lives Matter protests have all been organized during the daytime, under the light of the sun. And they've been overwhelmingly peaceful, with only the rarest of exceptions, by some fringe element, and almost never without police provocation or an agent provocateur. I can't think of any.

It's not fair to judge all police officers by the actions of the worst among them.
It's not fair to judge all protesters by the actions of the worst among them either.

Not fair at all: The examples of bad behavior by BLM protesters everyone always seems to point to aren't even of BLM protesters. They're by punks Black Lives Matter oppose too.

It would be a shame to be fooled by the oldest trick in the book.

**oladub** · August-18-20, 08:05 PM

I mentioned no exception and can't even imagine how you could interpret that I did. Re-read my post. There isn't anywhere that even suggests the possibility. [/QUOTE]

I could have sworn that in post #172 you wrote "what do you think about the video showing the man who started it all by smashing the first windows where soon later the first fire was set, how he's been identified by Minneapolis police, and how he's a white supremacist?"

"The man" in singular and an exception to the rule. I think he should be put in jail along with thousands of left wing nit wits who did the same.

Originally Posted by bust

I have no tolerance for looters and arsonists, make no excuses for them, and think they should be held to an equal standard. I totally agree with you, except your numbers are absurdly off. Of course this was not the only white looter or arsonist, let alone the only white supremacist. They were a significant portion. Video evidence abounds. And I dare say none of the perpetrators, regardless of race, have any connection with Black Lives Matter, except they've taken advantage of the situation.

If you want to make your point that my numbers are off, just point to the arrests list of the thousands of people arrested so far and tick off the large number of them you want to believe are right wingers. I cannot figure out why Portland or the Attorney General of Illinois let so many arrestees go free if they were right wing jerks.

Originally Posted by bust

In the case of the white vandals, many have been purposefully and literally stoking the fires in order to make the situation worse. White supremacist Mitchell Carlson [[aka "umbrella man") spray painted "Free Shit for Everyone Zone" next to the windows at the Minneapolis Auto Zone before breaking them.

Again the "umbrella man" is singular. How about this? We agree to severely fine and sentence anyone who causes violence or destruction irregardless of their politics. I want the resumes of Buggalloos or whoever they are to be ruined so they can pay for their actions for the remainder of their lives to discourage others from doing the same. If you think they are largely right wing buggalloo types and I think they are young white liberals one of us is wrong but our society will be protected from them if they are put away. I would also support voting anyone out of office who tolerates and condones their actions.

**bust** · August-18-20, 08:38 PM

Oladub, really?
You trust arrest records to translate to objective data?

It's been proven over and again that Blacks and Latinos are far more likely to be stopped [[and frisked, and their car searched), during situations when whites would not.

Drug possession [[often the result of an arbitrary stop-and-frisk).
Jaywalking.
Failure to indicate a turn signal.
Broken headlamp.
Expired plates.
5mph over.
A "bulge in the pocket."
"The odor of marijuana." [[How can you disprove that?)
...

There's this thing, "police discretion," that limits our 4th Amendment right against unreasonable search and seizure.
The Supreme Court sent us down that road almost 100 years ago with a controversial split decision [[about a case in Detroit).
Since then police discretion to determine "probable cause" has grown to include even "furtive movement" and looking "shifty."
"Furtive movement" was the primary justification police used to detain and search people during the peak of New York's stop and frisk policy.

Add to that Black and Hispanic encounters with police are far more likely to escalate.

On the whole, police discretion is not exercised fairly. At all.

As far as I understand this is the main point Black Lives Matter is trying to make.

What the data say about police brutality and racial bias — and which reforms might work
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01846-z

**oladub** · August-19-20, 08:56 AM

Originally Posted by bust

Oladub, really?
You trust arrest records to translate to objective data?

It's been proven over and again that Blacks and Latinos are far more likely to be stopped [[and frisked, and their car searched), during situations when whites would not.

Drug possession [[often the result of an arbitrary stop-and-frisk).
Jaywalking.
Failure to indicate a turn signal.
Broken headlamp.
Expired plates.
5mph over.
A "bulge in the pocket."
"The odor of marijuana." [[How can you disprove that?)
...

There's this thing, "police discretion," that limits our 4th Amendment right against unreasonable search and seizure.
The Supreme Court sent us down that road almost 100 years ago with a controversial split decision [[about a case in Detroit).
Since then police discretion to determine "probable cause" has grown to include even "furtive movement" and looking "shifty."
"Furtive movement" was the primary justification police used to detain and search people during the peak of New York's stop and frisk policy.

Add to that Black and Hispanic encounters with police are far more likely to escalate.

On the whole, police discretion is not exercised fairly. At all.

As far as I understand this is the main point Black Lives Matter is trying to make.

What the data say about police brutality and racial bias — and which reforms might work
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01846-z

bust, You are really getting off on a tangent here considering that most of the antifa creeps we see on the news beating on people and destroying stuff are white. I was referencing arrests relating to BLM/antifa rallies that turned violent rather than all arrests. This is, after all, a thread about BLM protests. Yes, I do think that arrest records are more objective than your beliefs. I guess you didn't like my suggestion that everyone arrested at antifa riots, be they 'buggalloos' or otherwise, should face stiff punishment. I would have thought that since you believe that a "significant proportion" of the rioters are 'white supremacists" and I don't it would be a win-win response for both of us.

As far as what the main point BLM is trying to make, my guess is that most white teenagers think it is about George Floyd and bad policing. However, BLM Global Network is where most of the money goes to. Two of its three founders are Marxists and its money is funneled through Act Blue, a DNC subsidiary, and Thousand Currents which has a Communist on its board who was let out of prison for bombing incidents by Bill Clinton. I suspect that the DNC, Marxists and Communists, peas in a pod, have broader objectives than high school students and college sophomores more concerned about what happened to George Floyd.

**Bigdd** · August-19-20, 09:58 AM

Originally Posted by bust

It's been proven over and again that Blacks and Latinos are far more likely to be stopped [[and frisked, and their car searched), during situations when whites would not.

Drug possession [[often the result of an arbitrary stop-and-frisk).
Jaywalking.
Failure to indicate a turn signal.
Broken headlamp.
Expired plates.
5 mph over.
A "bulge in the pocket."
"The odor of marijuana."

That sounds on the surface like a reasonable argument,.. but there's a MASSIVE problem with it.

Blacks and to a degree Latinos are FAR more likely to commit murders. And murders [[and even shootings) are far easier to keep accurate records for,.. as you have a dead body to deal with, or a shooting victim lying in a hospital.

It's not like there are tons of dead bodies lying around in white, Arab and Asian neighborhoods not being counted or taken to the hospital.

And it's reasonable to presume that street crime is proportionate to murders amongst the classes, races or whatever.

In NY for example, whites make up 43% of the population, but are responsible for just 2% of murders. Whereas blacks only make up 24% of the population and commit 62% of murders.

So there are 56% as many blacks as there are whites, yet they seem to commit 2,150% as much murder.

Stated another way,.. they are 38 TIMES more likely to shoot people [[mostly other young black men, 16-36).

It is silly to suppose that while this is the case,.. that all other types of street crime arrests [[for B&E, Assault, carjackings, armed robbery, smash & grabs etc) are disproportionate to reality, and just a result of racial profiling, especially when you consider the number of crimes reported in those areas. The police density results from the calls they get. Get 40x as many 911 calls in neighborhood x, and you'll have more cops patrolling there. And those cops will have a 40x easier time spotting a crime in progress.

**bust** · August-20-20, 07:07 PM

Bigdd there's no point arguing with you.
Your erroneous data and faulty logic: uncorrected.
Your mind won't change, it's a shame.
The vast majority of us see through your 'splainin.

**Bigdd** · August-20-20, 07:19 PM

Originally Posted by bust

Bigdd there's no point arguing with you. [[Because you're 100% correct)

I'll leave all your correct data and logic uncorrected.

There, fixed it for ya.

No charge.

**Jimaz** · February-10-21, 05:49 PM

Originally Posted by Jimaz

Trump's UNREAL Defense of Unmarked Federal Police in Portland

This is no longer legal. Secret police are now illegal in the U.S.

New Law Requires Feds to ID Themselves

New Law Requires Federal Agents to Identify Themselves to Protesters

**Honky Tonk** · February-10-21, 07:40 PM

Now we need a law requiring rioters to identify themselves to the Feds and we're good to go.

**Wheels** · February-11-21, 09:35 AM

This is were YOUR vice president says we are headed!
Don't miss the shit eating grin on her face.
Next up for impeachment!

https://youtu.be/Ku_t-2LgkgM

**Honky Tonk** · February-11-21, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by Wheels

This is were YOUR vice president says we are headed!
Don't miss the shit eating grin on her face.
Next up for impeachment!

https://youtu.be/Ku_t-2LgkgM

So, the Vice President of the United States, on national TV, has just called for the riots to continue. How nice. Democrats must be proud.

**jcole** · February-11-21, 01:18 PM