Welcome to the ATL protests re. the shooting of Rayshard Brooks....

[Richard]

AJ

If you don't see how what you claimed he was saying was the exact opposite of what he said, then I can't help you. No one is saying these men were saints, literally no one. That's a straw man fantasy argument you created. The point is the exact opposite, that these men's prior criminal histories do not justify the use of lethal force against them [[only your actions at the time you are killed matter), nor do the fact that they committed some criminal offense that initiated their contact with the police should justify a death sentence.

Those were your words in post #53

Your argument was that the past had no relevance.

Now you are saying the past has relevance for the police and not the perp.

We need violent thug cops to deal with the violent thugs.

You can always patrol the hood with hugs and kisses and let us know how that worked.

[Zacha341]

^^^ Violence begets violence. Control of the situation speaks to ones own self control first and foremost. If evident?

Violent thug cops so engaging their whole departments and other officers to conspire with their actions is not the answer.

This response is the REASON we find ourselves here.

But at least we need not pretend it wasn't going on. There was little doubt - for those affected.

But it will not go on as it has.

It has been ALLOWED to go on TOO LONG, justified as a result of dehumanizing black people - which made it easier to ignore.

Do you really think the shooting of a white Tamir Rice child would have been allowed otherwise?

As I have posted before again and again, INNOCENT, law abiding, black people have been unnecessarily questioned, harassed, brutalized, and falsely apprehended, arrested, and also KILLED. Too often by at minimal undisciplined behaviors of LEO's or as you stated 'thug' cops.

And it was too often covered up; given cover under the justification that the 'persons' did not act right during the arrests, questionings, or that they could for example 'breath if they could talk' during an apprehension!

If THAT mentality continues: ala the JUDGE DREDD 'thug' cop then we KNOW now that so-called 'sensitivity and diversity training' is JUST CRAP and a ruse to tamp down the protests!!! I mean I'm hopeful... that we could reason this out with a few classes but sometimes when people see their job threatened ala strict consequences they start to change.

But, if history tell us much we know for example that we had to force racist landlords to rent to black people by way of Fair Housing laws etc. Sensitivity training classes did not do it.

Likewise policing in many cities must be revamped to for example end choke hold techniques, by LAW.

Stricter laws and enforcement [[and better record keeping of offensives as they occur) of how LEO's apprehend may make the next rogue, er' um thug officer out there think BEFORE going too far in their apprehension actions!

[aj3647]

Even if Rolfe beats the murder charge, he's on tape viciously assaulting Brooks as he lay dying on the ground with two bullets in his back. He's definitely not a threat at THAT point. Honky Tonk and Johnny and the rest of you can break your backs twisting yourself into logic knots to defend that action all you like, it won't work. It is quite literally indefensible.

Garrett Rolfe is going to prison, if not for murder, then for aggravated assault for kicking a dying man instead of providing first aid as he was required to do.

So do whatever you need to do to make yourself feel better about that. Cry, sky-scream, insult me, do whatever you need to do to soothe yourself. Rolfe is going to prison. Deal with it. You're not going to win this one. Reality doesn't care if you acknowledge it or not, your denial won't keep Rolfe from seeing the inside of a cell, which he should be doing no later than 6pm tonight which is the deadline to turn himself in before he officially becomes a wanted fugitive.

[Johnnny5]

Your tears won't stop the inevitable.

Tears? I'll shed no tears no matter the outcome. Even if what you're saying is true, and the officer is convicted and ends up in prison. If that's the outcome, I'll accept the determination of the jury and be thankful that the streets of Atlanta are hopefully a bit safer with a child abusing piece of garbage dead and a rogue cop off the streets.

[Richard]

Even if Rolfe beats the murder charge, he's on tape viciously assaulting Brooks as he lay dying on the ground with two bullets in his back. He's definitely not a threat at THAT point. Honky Tonk and Johnny and the rest of you can break your backs twisting yourself into logic knots to defend that action all you like, it won't work. It is quite literally indefensible.

Garrett Rolfe is going to prison, if not for murder, then for aggravated assault for kicking a dying man instead of providing first aid as he was required to do.

So do whatever you need to do to make yourself feel better about that. Cry, sky-scream, insult me, do whatever you need to do to soothe yourself. Rolfe is going to prison. Deal with it. You're not going to win this one. Reality doesn't care if you acknowledge it or not, your denial won't keep Rolfe from seeing the inside of a cell, which he should be doing no later than 6pm tonight which is the deadline to turn himself in before he officially becomes a wanted fugitive.

Do you know what it is like in a war zone? What people deal with every day?

Watch this video and put yourself in that position.

Tell me how black lives matter.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oRwdFplrspM

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VfXGvXW2NSY

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mLrACPnwNBc

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4i86SUNFFzs

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AV0ssjSCPtE

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sQBn-JUG0do

You do not have to deal with what is going on so it is easy to armchair judge those who do.

[Zacha341]

To restate my position [[once again) I'm not reflexively anti LEO. I live in the city unlike the fake 'dis-band' the police rhetoric you hear from the bastions of elites who never think they'd have to live in an urban setting where crime is real.

Having said that 'Black Lives Matter' is not applicable in this case. Despite what and who has taken over the group yah-dah [[for varied agendas) the phrase 'Black Lives Matter' is mostly applicable when applied to police misconduct toward innocent black people, and or misconduct applied in the apprehension of black people alleged of crimes.

Beyond sarcasm, these videos DO NOT convey 'Black Lives Matter' conceptually, philosophically, or as applied to public policy or any other way.

It's a false equivalency to believe that it does.

Do you know what it is like in a war zone? What people deal with every day?

Watch this video and put yourself in that position.

Tell me how black lives matter.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oRwdFplrspM

[Richard]

^ white cop shots black suspect is splashed across the headlines.

BLM is about white cops and black suspects,yes or no.

Name one riot or protests that has ever been started over a African American cop shooting a African American suspect.

Bet you cannot find an example,but it happens all of the time.

What is the bigger problem in the police force ?

Police in general shooting African Americans or white police shooting African amercians?

Because zero is said and cities do not burn if a African American cop shoots a African American suspect.

The video shows that the thugs could care less what ones skin color is,a thug is a thug and if they are going to resist or shoot they will do so no matter what the skin color of the cop is.

Had that been a white cop in that video it would have been all over the news , White cop shoots black suspect that was innocently walking down the street,cities would be burning and the call to have the cop in prison for attempted murder would be loud,tell me I am wrong.

What it does show is a ratio of African Americans in law enforcement is lower then other races,so there will be a difference in exchanges.

You and I do not go to work everyday thinking that every reaction we have with anybody we come across,can become deadly at any given second.

[Richard]

Here is more body cam video of the whole incident from the start.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0nECvdPWTPA

[Zacha341]

Hey it is WHAT it is in terms of how SOME DELIMIT BLM to be about specific events that become a flash point. I don't. I work a great deal in my community ensuring the reality Black LIVES MATTERING in my profession and otherwise. Additionally I celebrate and advance all lives.

I leave betting to the casinos. LOL. Bottom line: the protests are particularly vigorous as less people are working and indeed some are using this as a reason to 'bring it all down' per their own angst for everything racist, American per their religious ferver that all of this purely derivative of Donald Trump. That a great deal of motivation! What else could explain Seattle which is now clearly beyond Floyd or Brooks?

What remains is response to the problem of police misconduct priority wise as it occurs, and onward. Championing 'thug' policing IS NOT THE ANSWER. No more than enough are using these recent events to foment hate and more racism. I am not. We need police reform, and better oversight.

As I said before: if history tell us much we know for example that the COURTS had to force racist landlords to rent to black people by way of Fair Housing laws etc. Sensitivity training classes did do it.

Policing in many cities must be revamped to for example end choke-hold techniques, and excessive force by LAW!

^ white cop shots black suspect is splashed across the headlines.

BLM is about white cops and black suspects,yes or no.

Name one riot or protests that has ever been started over a African American cop shooting a African American suspect.

Bet you cannot find an example,but it happens all of the time.

What is the bigger problem in the police force ?

[Richard]

^ forcing racist landlords to rent to African Americans left them in the slums of NYC.

The only thing that worked for the majority was in 2005 when HUD raised the housing allowance from $600 a month to $1500 a month so they could close down the projects.

They really do not have to force anybody to do anything,all they had to do is provide the opportunity to those who wished to take advantage of it.

But the leaders that have been re elected year after year for the last 50 years and are still in power are the saints.

Detroit has always been a hotbed of racism,but yet it was the largest city in the US with the highest level of African American home ownership.

In today’s money,those African Americans that migrated to Detroit were making $70,000 a year,that was massive money for no education at that time.

What happened,nobody forced anybody to do anything,they simply provided the opportunity.

Now today’s hero’s are re-elected year after year while the cities re-main dumps with little opportunity.

Detroit had enough and elected a mayor and police chief,not perfect but doing a lot better job the 3/4 of other cities out there,it did not matter Democrat or Republican,you guys made a good choice.

So what is it with these other cities that Detroit seems to lose out to but yet is leagues above making the right decision?

Instead of all of this racist obsession,of people want systematic change,then they need to start by looking in the mirror.

I think BLM is a joke because they draw their support from and lend it to,the very people that run the system that keeps them down.

Seriously why would you support the very same people [[Leaders)that create the system that you oppose?

They are not representing the people,they are a tool used by the ones they support.

We should stop celebrating MLK day and remove all streets named after him because it seems like nobody actually follows his message anyways.

His message was about systematic change,not only within the system but also within ones soul,it’s no longer about rise above,it’s about do this or we will burn your city down,an eye for an eye justice.

At least the Black Panthers were honest about what they were doing and did not allow themselves to be used as tools.

When you look at all of the movements of the past that actually created change,they did not create violence,even when violence was used against them.

People were quick to jump on the President after Charlottesville for not speaking out and de-nounseing and they quick to protest a white mans knee on a black mans neck but yet very few actually loudly denounced the violence that occurs in their own neighborhoods daily.

You see church leaders and residents protesting against the violence within their own neighborhoods but they get little support from the community.

By the time police are called in it is a result of,not a creation of,how about working towards a solution where the police do not need to be there in the first place.

[Zacha341]

^^^ Yep. My parents and their siblings of varied skills and educational levels were part of the migration to northern cities [[mid fifties). The struggle was hard won as many family members started out in rental properties [[reluctant to their arrival), and would purchase homes later. With one family member building a home, ground-up in one of the affluent mid-Michigan cities.

I celebrate MLK's message of inclusion, and non-segregation. And his reminder of dreams 'deferred'. Too bad it's all about race now along the fast streets of intersectionality and quests for power.

Since it is, I suggest we all stay sharp and look both ways crossing these roads!