Minneapolis LEO kneeling on neck of black man That died...

**oladub** · May-29-20, 08:22 AM

Originally Posted by aj3647

Trump threatens to send in federal military troops to Minneapolis, in what would be a BLATANT violation of the Posse Comitatus Act.

https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...atens-military

The 82nd and 101st Airborne Divisions were deployed in Detroit by President Johnson.

Some nice pictures of Democrats burning down their city.

This is also Rep. Ilhan Omar's [[D) congressional district. She says she wishes for peace and also tweeted, "Our anger is just. Our anger is warranted. And our priority right now must be protecting one another".

Meanwhile Ilhan Omar's daughter "shows support on Twitter for antifa group organizing riots in Minneapolis".

**Johnnny5** · May-29-20, 08:24 AM

Originally Posted by jcole

In the interest of not giving Richard any other chances to add crimes to Mr Floyd's conduct, I don't believe he was "pulled over". He was sitting in the car and the officers arrived due to a call from a store where Mr Floyd tried to cash a $20 bill they "think" was conterfeit.

You're right, the footage does not show him being pulled over. It appears to be a fixed security camera, so we'll likely be seeing the rest of it eventually, not that it really matters one way or the other.

**Richard** · May-29-20, 08:26 AM

Originally Posted by Honky Tonk

Probably too late to look at any evidence from any case now.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/fires-loo...115744068.html

I remember in 1968 when that area was torched, it took 40 years for them to rebuild it, with the city selling buildings for a dollar in order to entice people to reinvest.

Two target stores have been torched so far, so they shut all of them down, target was one of the few options for shopping that are left, i'm surprised they even torched the liquor store.

**Meddle** · May-29-20, 08:28 AM

Shortly before midnight on Monday, July 24, President Johnson authorized the use of federal troops in compliance with the Insurrection Act of 1807, which authorizes the President to call in armed forces to fight an insurrection in any state against the government.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967_D...esday,_July_25

**Meddle** · May-29-20, 08:30 AM

Seriously, Donny's an incompetent Dickwad, but still .....

Troops have been done before, more than once.

**aj3647** · May-29-20, 08:45 AM

Originally Posted by Meddle

Have you forgotten '67?

George Romney mobilized the National Guard and used them in a law enforcement capacity under State authority, which is legal.

Lyndon Johnson mobilized a smaller number of Army Airborne troops by invoking the Insurrection Act of 1807, which is the only exception to the Posse Comitatus Act that would allow the President to deploy federal troops domestically in such a capacity. The Insurrection Act of 1807 applies to instances of anti-government insurrection. Do you think what's happening in Minneapolis right now amounts to a rebellion and that the rioters are trying to overthrow the government? I don't think looting a Target quite meets that threshold, but if you are looking for a flimsy excuse to send troops into an American city to gun down Americans, then go right ahead and see how that works out. BTW, what happened to Lyndon Johnson's political future after that, was he re-elected as POTUS in 1968?

You know what, I've changed my mind. I hope Trump does send in the Army. The more he breaks it, the more he buys it. I'm sure the images of uniformed U.S. military shooting Americans in the streets of an American city will be the shining example of Making America Great Again and will make a great campaign ad.

**GMan** · May-29-20, 08:59 AM

Originally Posted by aj3647

George Romney mobilized the National Guard and used them in a law enforcement capacity under State authority, which is legal.

Lyndon Johnson mobilized a smaller number of Army Airborne troops by invoking the Insurrection Act of 1807, which is the only exception to the Posse Comitatus Act that would allow the President to deploy federal troops domestically in such a capacity. The Insurrection Act of 1807 applies to instances of anti-government insurrection. Do you think what's happening in Minneapolis right now amounts to a rebellion and that the rioters are trying to overthrow the government? I don't think looting a Target quite meets that threshold, but if you are looking for a flimsy excuse to send troops into an American city to gun down Americans, then go right ahead and see how that works out. BTW, what happened to Lyndon Johnson's political future after that, was he re-elected as POTUS in 1968?

You know what, I've changed my mind. I hope Trump does send in the Army. The more he breaks it, the more he buys it. I'm sure the images of uniformed U.S. military shooting Americans in the streets of an American city will be the shining example of Making America Great Again and will make a great campaign ad.

From memory, of reading on the 1967 Airborne deployment;

by all accounts, the deployment of the "well trained Airborne units" calmed the situation rather than exacerbated it. It was the comparatively poorly trained N. Guard that had itchy trigger fingers.

So which scenario would you rather have? I would rather see the situation defused, just like the original incident that sparked this should have been.

**Bong-Man** · May-29-20, 09:01 AM

Beyond the attempt to subdue someone already in cuffs with the unnecessary neck move, I find the officer's constant effort to put his left hand in his pocket when he knows he's being filmed to be very disturbing. I interpret it as a blatant effort on his part to go beyond his immediate responsibility to send a message to those watching.

When I was a child, my Father always told me several times to never be a cop. He used to say lousy hours, not worth the pay, and you bring the job home with you. Be a fireman instead. Later in life I would work with hundreds of cops, and in the words of one I trusted, "85% of the people I had to work with shouldn't have even had the job." When I mentioned to him what my Dad told me as a child, he said, "Your Dad is a very smart man."

**Zacha341** · May-29-20, 09:09 AM

Too sad we're in this mess stemming from a careless, brutal police officer as his colleagues looked on as the he became the judge, jury and executioner. Other cities are protesting and reacting from similar cases... more good LEOs will be targeted on top of the looting.

I can see why so many LEO's across the country are angry as their job has no been made even more dangerous!

No doubt major city mayor and police chiefs will me meet with their LEO's re. how they're to appropriately subdue individuals suspected of wrong-doing and reforms therein going forth.

Police across US speak out against George Floyd custody death

[Former NYPD officer] Dan Bongino reacts to George Floyd's death: The video tells a story that you can't run away from

From Article:

Bongino explained that there are two types of chockeholds, and added that one, the "tracheal choke", is "almost universally banned in law enforcement."

"But what is happening here appears to be a carotid choke, which is a blood choke, which cuts off ... before the arteries which restricts blood flow to the brain. It is very dangerous.

"After a long period of time, obviously, restricting blood flow to the brain is going to result in potentially permanent damage. In this case, death."

**Meddle** · May-29-20, 09:54 AM

Originally Posted by aj3647

The Insurrection Act of 1807 applies to instances of anti-government insurrection. Do you think what's happening in Minneapolis right now amounts to a rebellion and that the rioters are trying to overthrow the government?

Police are Government employees and the incident was in the performance of their duties, so yes, this is a protest against Government action.

**Meddle** · May-29-20, 09:57 AM

Originally Posted by GMan

From memory, of reading on the 1967 Airborne deployment;

by all accounts, the deployment of the "well trained Airborne units" calmed the situation rather than exacerbated it. It was the comparatively poorly trained N. Guard that had itchy trigger fingers.

"Some analysts believed that violence escalated with the deployment of troops, although they brought rioting under control within 48 hours. Nearly all of the Michigan Army National Guard were exclusively white, inexperienced militarily, and did not have urban backgrounds, while the Army paratroopers were racially integrated and had seen service in Vietnam. As a result, the Army paratroopers were at ease and able to communicate easily in the city while the National Guardsmen were not as effective."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967_D..._26%E2%80%9327

**GMan** · May-29-20, 10:41 AM

Originally Posted by Meddle

"Some analysts believed that violence escalated with the deployment of troops, although they brought rioting under control within 48 hours. Nearly all of the Michigan Army National Guard were exclusively white, inexperienced militarily, and did not have urban backgrounds, while the Army paratroopers were racially integrated and had seen service in Vietnam. As a result, the Army paratroopers were at ease and able to communicate easily in the city while the National Guardsmen were not as effective."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967_D..._26%E2%80%9327

Sounds about right. Areas that saw paratroopers were calmer While areas where National Guard deployed, saw flare ups.

**Richard** · May-29-20, 10:46 AM

Troops of today are different then of yesterday,3/4 of their involvement is urban warfare,where before it was centered around battlefield tactics.

**Ray1936** · May-29-20, 11:24 AM

I really have no comment on this tragic situation, but my first thought was "It looks like another long, hot summer". But I hope not.

**GMan** · May-29-20, 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by Ray1936

I really have no comment on this tragic situation, but my first thought was "It looks like another long, hot summer". But I hope not.

I pray not Ray.

**jcole** · May-29-20, 12:15 PM

I had the same thought, but I think that's since both of us remember those 3 summers.66-68.

Originally Posted by Ray1936

I really have no comment on this tragic situation, but my first thought was "It looks like another long, hot summer". But I hope not.

**jcole** · May-29-20, 12:37 PM

Breaking on Twitter:

BREAKING: Derek Chauvin, the ex-Minneapolis Police who killed George Floyd, has been arrested in Minneapolis, Minnesota Public Safety Commissioner John Harrington has announced

At 1pm press conference

**jcole** · May-29-20, 12:39 PM

https://www.boston.com/news/national...d-george-floyd

Minnesota authorities say the police officer who knelt on George Floyd has been arrested.Public Safety Commissioner John Harrington said Friday that state investigators arrested Derek Chauvin.
Chauvin is the white officer who was seen on video kneeling on the neck of Floyd, a handcuffed black man.
The arrest comes after three days of protests, which escalated in violence as demonstrators torched a police precinct that had been abandoned by officers.
Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz on Friday acknowledged the “abject failure” of the response to this week’s violent protests. Walz said the state would take over the response and that it’s time to show respect and dignity to those who are suffering.

**Meddle** · May-29-20, 12:58 PM

^^ Won't matter. He'll be cleared and back on the job like so many others.

**jcole** · May-29-20, 01:11 PM

Hopefully not.

Originally Posted by Meddle

^^ Won't matter. He'll be cleared and back on the job like so many others.

**Richard** · May-29-20, 01:15 PM

They had to arrest him as a way of calming the crowd.

interesting how in the link provided people are scared and hiding from the mobs and wondering were the police are to protect them,the very police that they burned out and are burning the city in protest against.

**Honky Tonk** · May-29-20, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by jcole

Of course they did; they don't want any coverage of the wrongdoing by the police dept

Probably didn't want any assholes aiding and abetting a riot.

**Honky Tonk** · May-29-20, 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by Richard

I remember in 1968 when that area was torched, it took 40 years for them to rebuild it, with the city selling buildings for a dollar in order to entice people to reinvest.

Two target stores have been torched so far, so they shut all of them down, target was one of the few options for shopping that are left, i'm surprised they even torched the liquor store.

What do you expect from a bunch of spoiled self-righteous white Democrat kids?

**Honky Tonk** · May-29-20, 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by Richard

They had to arrest him as a way of calming the crowd.

interesting how in the link provided people are scared and hiding from the mobs and wondering were the police are to protect them,the very police that they burned out and are burning the city in protest against.

What does antifa care? They don't live there. They'll go back home and shop online, delivered by Amazon Prime.

**Bigdd** · May-29-20, 03:53 PM

Originally Posted by Honky Tonk

What does antifa care? They don't live there. They'll go back home and shop online, delivered by Amazon Prime.

It's pretty funny that a group of leftist, fascists refer to themselves as "Antifa". LOL Fascism always comes from the left. Hitler for example was a socialist, and a failed art student. Ended up head of the national socialist workers party.

I just got off the phone with a black minister in Minneapolis. He's busy trying to calm the crowds. A bit pissed and embarrassed that the opportunists are looting and burning. [[perhaps not the police department,. but what the heck does Target have to do with the killing?)

Sure hope the body-cam videos get released soon. It usually has a calming effect.