Corona Virus Crisis News, Information, Advice & Help Thread

[Richard]

"... that the rest of the world including the science says is not necessary nor supports"

That's BS. Look at Israel.

Primary sources beat your made up drivel any day. Clearly you missed more than a few classes in HS.

Israel approved booster shots for the most vulnerable,those for weakened immune systems and for those who received the shot in January,majority Phizer.

Did you look at Israel before your dribble?

Neither the U.S. nor the EU have approved coronavirus booster shots. It's not yet proven if a third dose helps and, if so, who needs one and when.

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronav...ne-coronavirus

That’s the problem when you make it about the person verses the facts.

Israel will be the one proving weather it works or not,you can go there and be a test bunny if you like.

google can be your friend, really. That way you don't have to guess. Took all of 2 minutes to find -- you should try it sometime.

does that line sound familiar?

Sweden: Despite Variants, No Lockdowns, No Daily Covid Deaths


https://www.aier.org/article/sweden-...-covid-deaths/

[Gistok]

Richard... undergrad means college level courses, not high school.

And Wikipedia is never 100% accurate, but accurate enough to make my point against your fallacious [and FYI "fallacy" does not start with a "ph"] sidebar about the Cold War, irrelevant to any Covid-19 discussion.


^ Baselinepunk... see attached [cumulative death rates per million]... as you have seen before, Richard is the master of spin [at least he thinks so]... but when you look at the metrics for Sweden and compare it to some of the neighboring countries in northern Europe... it doesn't quite look so rosy as Richard likes to paint it with him finding a Google search title to his liking...

[Richard]

Richard... undergrad means college level courses, not high school.

And Wikipedia is never 100% accurate, but accurate enough to make my point against your fallacious [and FYI "fallacy" does not start with a "ph"] sidebar about the Cold War, irrelevant to any Covid-19 discussion.


^ Baselinepunk... see attached [cumulative death rates per million]... as you have seen before, Richard is the master of spin [at least he thinks so]... but when you look at the metrics for Sweden and compare it to some of the neighboring countries in northern Europe... it doesn't quite look so rosy as Richard likes to paint it with him finding a Google search title to his liking...

Michigan population 9,986,857

corona virus cases 1,102,957

corona virus deaths 21,920

long term lock down implemented- yes

Sweden population 10 million

corona virus cases 1,641,673

corona virus deaths 14,662 deaths

Lock downs - 0

Nothing to spin,the numbers do not lie.

Sweden had more cases with less deaths then Michigan without shutting their economy down or implementing lock downs.

The majority of their deaths were in the age group of 80 and up.

I notice that you are still avoiding answering my question while still trying to throw every diversion tactic you can muster.

How come you do not want to answer the question Gistok?

Why is the current administration and Faluchi saying and pushing a mandated booster shot,that the rest of the world including the science says is not necessary nor supports.

I did not stutter and you spend a lot of time trying not to answer it.

I am not even sure outside of you running a narrative,as to why you keep bringing up the whole Google use thing,while posting links that you had to Google to find.

Unless of course when you received your incredible education back then they planted the links in your head so when the internet was invented you would already have them ?

[Zacha341]

COVID-19 may become endemic in 6 months in India...

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/covid-19-m...qFYStBgWcj6y71

[401don]

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Sweden had more cases with less deaths then Michigan without shutting their economy down or implementing lock downs.
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We all know covid death is much more likely when combined with other pre-existing conditions. I would venture to guess that Sweden's population with their healthcare system and lifestyle is far healthier than Michigan's.

[Richard]

[QUOTE=401don;616074]

Sweden had more cases with less deaths then Michigan without shutting their economy down or implementing lock downs.
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We all know covid death is much more likely when combined with other pre-existing conditions. I would venture to guess that Sweden's population with their healthcare system and lifestyle is far healthier than Michigan's.

Agree that their healthcare system had a lot to do with it,they started with the herd immunity concept,but doubled the social distancing and the majority compliance with masking.

It is interesting the differences of impacting of the different healthcare systems in place across the world,the major factor being the quality of healthcare provided verses availability.

Lifestyles in places like Sweden,Switzerland,Holland etc are a lot more healthy then places like the US and UK etc.

I saw a survey the other day where they said women in the US prefer men that are overweight verses skinny,which sends the wrong message.

I guess one really does not notice it unless they travel to those other countries,noticeable difference.

[Rocket]

Treatments like Remdesivir and Dexemetazone were approved in Sweden.

And they didn't have bloodthirsty governors forcing covid positive patients INTO nursing homes.

So even with keeping their economy open, they still fared noticeably better than MI or NY.

[Gistok]

[QUOTE=Richard;616088]

Lifestyles in places like Sweden,Switzerland,Holland etc are a lot more healthy then places like the US and UK etc.

I saw a survey the other day where they said women in the US prefer men that are overweight verses skinny,which sends the wrong message.

This is very true. Americans prefer to get the closest parking spot to the store... while in Europe they walk much much more than here in the USA.

When visiting over there to see relatives, or going for summer college courses... I always made it a practice to spend 3 months in advance to walk at least a mile a day, and at work practice going up and down 4 flights of stairs several times. This put me into shape for the large amount of walking I would be doing there [even with a rental car].

Sight seeing in Europe is akin to hiking here in the USA. Castles are always built on high ground, and both castles and palaces are always some distance from the car parks [parking lots].

[Zacha341]

Interesting.

Good to hear these tracked actions are at least expanding the discussion of various treatments etc. A bit freed of the fixed 'Trump' branding [therefore worthy of censoring] as tethered to the right-winged!

Setting aside the US 'branding' factors, perhaps these options can be objectively evaluated -- perhaps effective along with vaccination options.

For the sake of politics, IMO there's too many assertions implying that even the discussion of various options determines that you are a [fill in the blank] _______________, and an odious member of _______________ group[s].
Sure, short term that satiates the us vs them/ your group vs my group need. Yeah, check that box. But it also seals off EVOLVING discussion of the various means of dealing with COVID and its variants.

16+ months in [bound in politics in relation with and juxtaposed to C-19] many factors, treatments and options to even avoid contracting [let alone treat] COVID are posited as 'appositional' by default.

Must they be?

If one is vaccinated does that mean you throw up your hands towards healthy options that help you avoid the common cold? I know I'm more healthy [and feel better] when I consider what I eat and the nutrients I take in daily. No vaccine supersedes that - though I'm vaxxed.

I'll study more about Sweden's approach, apart from the US divisive, default narrative and response.

Considering where WE are to date.

Treatments like Remdesivir and Dexemetazone were approved in Sweden.

And they didn't have bloodthirsty governors forcing covid positive patients INTO nursing homes.

So even with keeping their economy open, they still fared noticeably better than MI or NY.

[Zacha341]

Ain't that the truth G. That's me. I prefer to do my walking within regular, dedicated exercise time-frames and cycling! Hah!

This is very true. Americans prefer to get the closest parking spot to the store...

[Lowell]

An illustration of why "epidemic of the unvaccinated" is a catch phrase the front page of today's Detroit Free Press. The unvaccinated make up over 99% of those who are dying from Covid or being hospitalized for it or even testing positive for it.

[Wesley Mouch]

An illustration of why "epidemic of the unvaccinated" is a catch phrase the front page of today's Detroit Free Press. The unvaccinated make up over 99% of those who are dying from Covid or being hospitalized for it or even testing positive for it.

Nice chart, Lowell.

Worth mentioning that the 0.5% 'breakthrough' doesn't mean they die of COVID, but that their COVID test was positive. We are pretty much past the time when case counts mean much. We need to be looking at hospitalizations, and probably demanding better recording of FROM COVID vs. WITH COVID. Then we could make informed decisions.

[bust]

For sure it's become an epidemic of the unvaccinated; hospitalizations and deaths the best proof. But 330 out of 4,400 is 7%, not 0.007%. How did they calculate the other percentages? There are no denominators. Where is the graphic from? It's wrong.

[John]

330 out of 4,400 is 7%, not 0.007%. Where is the graphic from? It's wrong.

The graphic is posted on the Free Press Facebook page. There are currently 43 comments on the graphic, mostly from the anti-vax crowd, and - surprise - not a single one of the commenters has picked up on the mathematical error.

How embarrassing for the Free Press to have such an error on their front page.

[bust]

How many habitually accept
that which
What a shame it's not better.
It was.
It will again once we value it,
Even better.

[Zacha341]

Uh-oh. Someone should contact the freep directly re. this error so they can post a revision or retraction.

You need not be an anti-vaxxer to want accuracy in an info-graphic like this on such a crucial subject!

The graphic is posted on the Free Press Facebook page. There are currently 43 comments on the graphic, mostly from the anti-vax crowd, and - surprise - not a single one of the commenters has picked up on the mathematical error...

[Richard]

The graphic is posted on the Free Press Facebook page. There are currently 43 comments on the graphic, mostly from the anti-vax crowd, and - surprise - not a single one of the commenters has picked up on the mathematical error.

How embarrassing for the Free Press to have such an error on their front page.

A bit of irony there wouldn’t ya say?

A Phizer vaccination is only 80% effective,that leaves 20% that got the shot but not really.

So what category are they in ?

If you are in that 20% are you in a position to be demeaning of those who have not received the shot,just because you got a shot that is ineffective?

How are those 20% supposed to even know if they are truly protected or if they are even included in the 20% ?

[Richard]

How many habitually accept
that which
What a shame it's not better.
It was.
It will again once we value it,
Even better.

Agreed,following the status quo without question is why we are where we are at,labeling those who question the status quo keeps us where we are at.

Maybe by design?

[Wheels]

Another statistic I would like to see would be how many people are dying at home from covid? I have never heard of any being reported.

Do you have to be in a hospital to die from covid? Probably irrelevant but curious.

[Gistok]

Anyone who gets on a public airplane and refuses to mask up... they really do have to be from Dumbfuckistan... not only is it guaranteed that they will be escorted off, and likely put on a no-fly list [just ask that Alaska state house representative that can no longer fly to Juneau]... but that those who do follow the guidelines are getting so tired of their shit... that they mock those escorted off the plane...

ONLY in DADE on Twitter: "Three people kicked out of American Airlines flight in MIA that had already been delayed for 9 hours. Two for not following mask rules and another person for arguing with them | #ONLYinDADE ig: dreatrev https://t.co/OeNt3H6O05" / Twitter

I guess having your flight delayed for 9 hours, all decorum and composure flies out the window... no surprise there.

[Zacha341]

Planes are pretty gross anyway [watch those reality shows on commercial aviation and you know that]. I've always approached flying somewhat at the 'germaphobe' perspective. I had to fly during a few of the high points of C-19 relative to my destination, etc. I looked like an astronaut [face-shield, masked, gloved, etc] not caring what the detractors, politicians, mass media experts-of-the-day, or anyone else said or thought.

At the time I flew Delta owing to their spacing but still it's a somewhat sealed tube. Though I hear the time spent in the actual airport is the most risky for exposure. Airplane air is filtered fairly well.

Anyone who gets on a public airplane and refuses to mask up... they really do have to be from Dumbfuckistan...

[Zacha341]

Nothing surprises me at this point. There's simply not been enough time to make huge claims and or too many 'bragging' rights.

Which is why I NEVER discuss which vaccine I chose publicly ala lunch room/ water cooler or other such banter, or on social media.

Too often its become another means to divide and rank. I choose to minimize that along with the control and fear factor[s].

A Phizer vaccination is only 80% effective, that leaves 20% that got the shot but not really.

[Richard]

Nothing surprises me at this point. There's simply not been enough time to make huge claims and or too many 'bragging' rights.

Which is why I NEVER discuss which vaccine I chose publicly ala lunch room/ water cooler or other such banter, or on social media.

Too often it's become another means to divide and rank. I choose to minimize that along with the control and fear factor[s].

July 1, 2021-- America’s COVID-19 doctor, Anthony Fauci, MD, says he won’t bother taking an antibody test to find out whether he needs a coronavirus vaccine booster shot.
"If I went to LabCorp or one of those places and said, 'I would like to get the level of anti-spike antibodies,' I could tell what my level is, if I wanted to," he told Insider. "I didn't do it."
According to Insider, Fauci said he’d instead wait for two broad signals: rising rates of breakthrough infections in people who took part in vaccine clinical trials in early 2020 and laboratory data that shows how vaccine protection may be waning.

https://www.webmd.com/

So how come the public was not given the opportunity to find out if they even needed the shot in the first place instead of the do or die approach?

Once you get the shot,does your body depend on the shot in the future verses building its own natural immunity?

[Honky Tonk]

So how come the public was not given the opportunity to find out if they even needed the shot in the first place instead of the do or die approach?

Once you get the shot,does your body depend on the shot in the future verses building its own natural immunity?

The AMA has the most powerful lobbying group in the Country. Maybe 2nd to the NRA. Their job is to secure a position of permanence and make money. They've geared up for this pandemic and are certainly not going to lose their investments. Creating dependency guarantees their position.

[Zacha341]

^ Add to that Big-Pharma as an influence and overlay as to how some of this being handled and politicized. And no, you don't have to be an anti-medical, anti-vaxxer or right-winged to see this.

I wear a mask in most settings indoor but the hypocrisy and inconsistency is blinding as the persistent elite meet and mingle claiming you need to be perma-masked as they conduct their own lives sans masks. See them at the award shows, gala events, crowded together smiling away for the media. Made even more curious as servants, waitstaff etc. attend to them, masked.

This has been a revealing few weeks of actions with a bad look [to say the least including the Haitians turnback - with horses and whips - yet border opened to others - during a pandemic in the first place!].

Incredible.