Peter Karmanos lobbying for Kwame Kilpatrick Pardon...

**Cincinnati_Kid** · February-19-20, 07:23 PM

It's amazing how his base just overlooks, and sugar coats his bad behavior, and corrupt anything thing goes ways. This guy is using the WH to run his criminal empire, just like they said Kwame did. So he should pardon him, they have a lot in common.

**Richard** · February-19-20, 07:34 PM

^ I guess we can all interpret things as we want to see them.

I would say Carter giving pardons to 500,000 Vietnam war draft dodgers would classify as a pardon spree.The got to live while the ones that followed the law came home in a pine box.

Every President Sense the 1700s has handed out pardons and every time not everybody agreed with the reasoning.

One can interpret it any way they want but at the end of the day,they do it because they can.

Trump has been pushing prison reform and unfair sentencing and acting on it from day one,it is interesting how people push for it but when it is showcased they do not want it.

Simple Question.

Do you feel that even today the citizens are feeling the impact of Kilpatrick's rein?

Do you feel Detroit was in a better place at the end of Kilpatrick's term verses when he started?

Millions in hardest hit funds and neighborhood stabilization funds were left on the table,those funds could have helped the neighborhoods hang in there in a respectable way instead of having to be demolished today.

Selling Obama’s tainted seat was illegal,but once caught did the act effect the residents of Illinois for many years to come?

Two weeks later the seat was filled and everybody forgot about it.

Can you recognize the difference between the two acts?

Lol a corrupt politician in Illinois and everybody freaks out,the backbone of the state has a history of being corrupt and most just take it in stride,or elect them as a president.

That is like being shocked to find corruption in the unions.

President Obama commuted the prison sentences of more than 1,700 individuals [[including Chelsea Manning), 330 of them on his final days in office.

That was sentence commuted

Here is a list of over 70 pardons that Obama put out

Notice a majority of them were major drug dealers,so it could also be said Obama was friendly with narco traffickers because of the large amounts of cash they accumulate?

https://www.justice.gov/pardon/obama-pardons

**Metro25** · February-19-20, 09:10 PM

I've been watching other Karmanos interviews and I think I officially hate this person.

Dude is a complete and total moron. No wonder Compuware kicked his ass to the curb.

**Scottathew** · February-20-20, 08:11 AM

Originally Posted by Metro25

Dude is a complete and total moron. No wonder Compuware kicked his ass to the curb.

They kicked his ass to the curb, he was literally escorted from the Compuware Building he was responsible for building. Compuware\Vulture Capital folks then sold the building to Gilbert. Karmanos made a new company, MadDog Technology. Now MadDog Technology leases space in the building that he was once escorted out of.

It's the circle of life.

**Scottathew** · February-20-20, 08:20 AM

Originally Posted by Richard

Selling Obama’s tainted seat was illegal,but once caught did the act effect the residents of Illinois for many years to come?

Trumpism [[Truhmp-iz-uhm)

Noun

1. The ability to excuse anything Trump does, including pardoning a democrat Governor that tried to sell a senate seat appointment because he was a former contestant on The Apprentice and his wife said some good things about Trump in the news

2. The ability to previously care about "morals" and "family values" and then ignore that someone is literally pounding out porn stars while his wife tends to a newborn baby all because the person made racism, hatred, and intolerance great again*

*Please note that "Making Racism, Hatred, and Intolerance Great Again" is a registered trademark of Trump Inc.

**Bigdd** · February-20-20, 08:30 AM

Most presidents are gutless,.. and do a lot of pardons on their last day in office so they don't have to take any heat for them.

President Trump doesn't seem bothered by that,.. he does what he thinks is right and lets the chips fall where they may.

Nice to finally have a president that isn't gutless.

Rod Blugovitch [[sp?) was sleazy,.. but he served 8 years,. which is more than many rapists and murders get.

Now the DOJ want's to throw Roger Stone in jail for up to 14 years? 4-5 for lying,.. and another 8 for verbally threatening his neighbor's dog? REALLY? You get 6-8 years for that? Not murder, or drug trafficking, or child sex-slavery.... no,.. verbally threatening a dog.!!! Really?

Then the president tweets that the recommendation seems excessive [[which it clearly was),.. and the America hating socialist media goes bananas.

**jcole** · February-20-20, 08:31 AM

I read a story about him and whatever wife he was married to at the time and came to the same conclusion.

Originally Posted by Metro25

I've been watching other Karmanos interviews and I think I officially hate this person.

Dude is a complete and total moron. No wonder Compuware kicked his ass to the curb.

**jcole** · February-20-20, 08:33 AM

Originally Posted by Bigdd

Most presidents are gutless,.. and do a lot of pardons on their last day in office so they don't have to take any heat for them.

President Trump doesn't seem bothered by that,.. he does what he thinks is right and lets the chips fall where they may.

Nice to finally have a president that isn't gutless.

....

Brainless, but not gutless. Great choice

**Richard** · February-20-20, 09:51 AM

Originally Posted by 48307

Trumpism [[Truhmp-iz-uhm)

Noun

1. The ability to excuse anything Trump does, including pardoning a democrat Governor that tried to sell a senate seat appointment because he was a former contestant on The Apprentice and his wife said some good things about Trump in the news

2. The ability to previously care about "morals" and "family values" and then ignore that someone is literally pounding out porn stars while his wife tends to a newborn baby all because the person made racism, hatred, and intolerance great again*

*Please note that "Making Racism, Hatred, and Intolerance Great Again" is a registered trademark of Trump Inc.

Psychiatrist: Trump Derangement Syndrome is real – and serious

https://www.wnd.com/2018/09/psychiat...l-and-serious/

The first step is recognizing that one has a problem.

**Meddle** · February-20-20, 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by Metro25

I've been watching other ...

Better to just ignore them, including TrickyDicky, BigDubblDummy and all the others with Orange blood.

Remember November.

**Richard** · February-20-20, 11:33 AM

^ yes I am sure you guys are looking forward to 4 more years,you should try impeachment to get him out of office,it will give you something to do to get your mind off of him.

Imagine if he wins and flips the house,it has happened before.Then what?

**Ray1936** · February-20-20, 11:56 AM

Came across these statistics on the web today. Just sayin'.

"Total Presidential Pardons/Commutations:
Carter 566
Reagan 406
H.W. Bush 77
Clinton 459
George W 200
Obama 1927
Trump 26"

Don't know the source of the data, but interesting if true, eh?

**bust** · February-20-20, 12:23 PM

Ray, under the Obama administration's "Clemency Initiative" they commuted many low-level non-violent drug sentences for prisoners who served at least 10 years with good behavior, and who would have received much shorter sentences were they convicted of the same crime today.

You may remember the "war against drugs" and the "3 strikes and you're out" policies of earlier administrations that led to kids getting getting locked up for decades for things like a bag of weed. The Clemency Initiative helped fix that. Few defend those misguided policies today.

From the Department of Justice:

"Under the initiative, the Department prioritized clemency applications from inmates who met most, if not all of the following factors:

They are currently serving a federal sentence in prison and, by operation of law, likely would have received a substantially lower sentence if convicted of the same offense[[s) today;
They are non-violent, low-level offenders without significant ties to large scale criminal organizations, gangs or cartels;
They have served at least 10 years of their prison sentence;
They do not have a significant criminal history;
They have demonstrated good conduct in prison; and
They have no history of violence prior to or during their current term of imprisonment."

These were common sense, principled commutations, not like the pardons we just saw.

To put it into perspective, Obama commuted only 5% of the clemency requests he received and issued fewer pardons than any other president except two since we have data for such things.

**Ray1936** · February-20-20, 12:44 PM

Hey, I said I was "just sayin'"!

**Danny** · February-20-20, 12:46 PM

Ya'lls Boy is not getting of Club Fed. He's sleeping in a cold pitch black prison cell. Thinking about his good times.

**bust** · February-20-20, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by Danny

Ya'lls Boy is not getting of Club Fed. He's sleeping in a cold pitch black prison cell. Thinking about his good times.

And I'm happy about that.

Abuse of government power and corruption should be among the most penalized crimes.

**Danny** · February-20-20, 12:51 PM

TRUMPISM!

NOUN

1. The belief of a politically nonsense person who carries loudmouth policies to supplement the needs of the elites and reject the complaints of the proletariats.

**aj3647** · February-20-20, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by renf

In the Obama president, there were quite a few members of Congress who strongly encourage President Obama to pardon Jack Johnson. President Obama never got around to giving Jack Johnson a pardon but
President Trump did so in May 2018. This pretty much went unnoticed.

And only 70+ years after his death. Just in the nick of time. Pardoning a dead guy is a feel-good PR gesture, nothing more. The living pardons tell a different story. Good for Jack Johnson's skeleton though that it got a Trump pardon, I bet he was jumping for joy in his casket.

Originally Posted by Metro25

The Morouns already tried this stuff and it failed.

Kwame's biggest problem is that he's broke and heavily in debt, a republican is not going to pardon a corrupt democrat when there's no money involved. The very few Detroiters who support his pardon will not be voting R, ever.

Funny thing is even if Kwame gets out of jail his life is still over. He's in debt for his whole life and where is he even going to get a job? I guess he could set up a go fund me page.

Your post is predicated on the notion that such a move would be intended for a black audience. It isn't. Trump's whole "see? I love black people!" shtick isn't intended for black voters, it's intended for white suburbanites who used to vote Republican but were turned off by the intensity of Trump's bigotry [[see: 2018 election results). That's the audience that PR moves like that are intended for, not a black one. Republicans want to soothe the concerns of those suburban upper-Middle Class whites who like Republican policies but chafe at Trump's toxic mouth and pandering to white supremacy. I mean, would a racist commute the sentence of Kwame Kilpatrick, a black Democrat? Of course not!

As for Kwame's post-prison employability, I'm sure there's a 125K a year no-show "consulting" gig waiting for him somewhere. There always is for these guys. He's still got people who owe him favors or loyalty. He'll do just fine out of prison.

**iheartthed** · February-20-20, 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by aj3647

Your post is predicated on the notion that such a move would be intended for a black audience. It isn't Trump's whole "see? I love black people!" schtick isn't intended for black voters, it's intended for white suburbanites who used to vote Republican but were turned off by the intensity of Trump's bigotry [[see: 2018 election results). That's the audience that PR moves like that are intended for, not a black one. Republicans want to soothe the concerns of those suburban upper-Middle Class whites who like Republican policies but chafe at Trump's toxic mouth and pandering to white supremacy. I mean, would a racist pardon Kwame Kilpatrick, a black Democrat? Of course not!

As for Kwame's post-prison employability, I'm sure there's a 125K a year no-show "consulting" gig waiting for him somewhere. There always is for these guys. He's still got people who owe him favors or loyalty. He'll do just fine out of prison.

I think Trump has a very good reason for directly targeting black voters. Especially in Michigan. His re-election is uniquely dependent upon the behavior of black voters in Michigan, and its different from that of Congressional Republicans.

He doesn't need them to vote for him. He just needs to dampen enthusiasm of black voters for the Democratic candidate.

**Metro25** · February-20-20, 01:22 PM

You're not thinking this thoroughly at all. Dampening enthusiasm is not worth pissing off his base and voters in Macomb. It would look horrible for Trump to do anything in favor of a corrupted democrat.

Trump playing 4d chess with a Kwame pardon or commutation doesn't make nearly as much sense and you're trying to argue.

**bust** · February-20-20, 01:28 PM

Trump can't even think in 2D.
He "thinks" from his belly, and parts South.
That and he's ruled by a narcissism and ambition that derives from a insecurity desperate to disprove the fact he's a grotesquely unworthy fraud.
All it would take is some choice words that manipulate his fragile ego in the right way, and...

**bartocktoo** · February-20-20, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by Ray1936

Came across these statistics on the web today. Just sayin'.

"Total Presidential Pardons/Commutations:
Carter 566
Reagan 406
H.W. Bush 77
Clinton 459
George W 200
Obama 1927
Trump 26"

Don't know the source of the data, but interesting if true, eh?

Even if true, I'd suggest that Trump has done his in the most politically motivated way. And he has mentioned [[threatened?) more high-profile pardons/commutations based on people and situations directly related to him. Whether Republican or Democrat, he is just not a good person, and definitely not a good look or direction for our country.

**Richard** · February-20-20, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by Danny

Ya'lls Boy is not getting of Club Fed. He's sleeping in a cold pitch black prison cell. Thinking about his good times.

40 months is a far cry from the 7 to 9 years that the prosecutor wanted,he will be out in 2.5 years on good behavior or less.

**bartocktoo** · February-20-20, 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by Bigdd

Most presidents are gutless,.. and do a lot of pardons on their last day in office so they don't have to take any heat for them.

President Trump doesn't seem bothered by that,.. he does what he thinks is right and lets the chips fall where they may.

Nice to finally have a president that isn't gutless.

Rod Blugovitch [[sp?) was sleazy,.. but he served 8 years,. which is more than many rapists and murders get.

Now the DOJ want's to throw Roger Stone in jail for up to 14 years? 4-5 for lying,.. and another 8 for verbally threatening his neighbor's dog? REALLY? You get 6-8 years for that? Not murder, or drug trafficking, or child sex-slavery.... no,.. verbally threatening a dog.!!! Really?

Then the president tweets that the recommendation seems excessive [[which it clearly was),.. and the America hating socialist media goes bananas.

Based on this I am assuming you would like to see Kwame out then? It's odd you didn't say that.

**Richard** · February-20-20, 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by aj3647

And only 70+ years after his death. Just in the nick of time. Pardoning a dead guy is a feel-good PR gesture, nothing more. The living pardons tell a different story. Good for Jack Johnson's skeleton though that it got a Trump pardon, I bet he was jumping for joy in his casket.

Your post is predicated on the notion that such a move would be intended for a black audience. It isn't. Trump's whole "see? I love black people!" shtick isn't intended for black voters, it's intended for white suburbanites who used to vote Republican but were turned off by the intensity of Trump's bigotry [[see: 2018 election results). That's the audience that PR moves like that are intended for, not a black one. Republicans want to soothe the concerns of those suburban upper-Middle Class whites who like Republican policies but chafe at Trump's toxic mouth and pandering to white supremacy. I mean, would a racist commute the sentence of Kwame Kilpatrick, a black Democrat? Of course not!

As for Kwame's post-prison employability, I'm sure there's a 125K a year no-show "consulting" gig waiting for him somewhere. There always is for these guys. He's still got people who owe him favors or loyalty. He'll do just fine out of prison.

Go tell his family that his pardon was a feel good measure and see how they react.

The guy was one of the greatest boxers of all time and he deserved justice and recognition.

Is it not racist to have the view that somebody must show their love for the African community in order to gain points? Last I knew African Americans were Americans why would you set them apart from all the others and single them out as stand alone citizens.

Much to your dismay there are quite a few African American Trump supporters,Personally I think you are wrong to have the stance that they are stupid not to be able to see through anybody’s BS,republican or Democrat.

Like I posted his prison reform commuted a lot of sentences and sense it is a well know fact that the prison population contains a large amount of African Americans then you need to show where Trump the racist went down the list and only commuted the sentences of white prisoners.