Coronavirus: Threat Beyond Politics [For Political Discussions of CoV]

[Wheels]

She was not at the cottage, she was in Lansing while he was up doing stuff around the cottage. He called the boat dock and they told him there was a wait to get the boat in the water; he said "would it help if you knew I was married to the Governor". He thought it was funny, nobody else, including Gov Whitmer, thought so. She addressed it in her presser today.

She also said don’t go running up north just yet as her husband was running out the door. I was also like to see proof she was in Lansing!

[softailrider]

My wife used to laugh at most of my jokes, but she has less of a sense of humor now. I am however, still very amusing.

[jcole]

If I posted pictures of her sitting on her porch you'd say they were photoshopped; it's nearly impossible to prove a negative.

She also said don’t go running up north just yet as her husband was running out the door. I was also like to see proof she was in Lansing!

[Wheels]

it's nearly impossible to prove a negative.

Is that the new democrat motto?

[Honky Tonk]

She was not at the cottage, she was in Lansing while he was up doing stuff around the cottage. He called the boat dock and they told him there was a wait to get the boat in the water; he said "would it help if you knew I was married to the Governor". He thought it was funny, nobody else, including Gov Whitmer, thought so. She addressed it in her presser today.

I heard she spent her weekend visiting Covid-19 patients @ Detroit area nursing homes and inspecting dams.

[Maof]

She also said don’t go running up north just yet as her husband was running out the door. I was also like to see proof she was in Lansing!

Oh please. She didn't want crowds at beaches, restaurants and bars. He went to their second home. Who cares. You're making more out of it than necessary.

[Honky Tonk]

My wife used to laugh at most of my jokes, but she has less of a sense of humor now. I am however, still very amusing.

I've heard that from other men as well. Women seem to lose their sense of humor as they age.

[Wheels]

I heard she spent her weekend visiting Covid-19 patients @ Detroit area nursing homes and inspecting dams.

No that was Dana Nessel at the dam sites checking on the frogs and mussels!

[GMan]

Hmmmn I bet the word lock down will have a new meaning for Whitmer's husband. Maybe the marina could have but his boat in Wixom lake for him. Oh wait, it's not there anymore. Sorry folks. Bad humor side of me.

[Zacha341]

--- Naughty humor indeed! ---

[Honky Tonk]

Hmmmn I bet the word lock down will have a new meaning for Whitmer's husband. Maybe the marina could have but his boat in Wixom lake for him. Oh wait, it's not there anymore. Sorry folks. Bad humor side of me.

Sounds like he was just flexing his mussels...

[aj3647]

She also said don’t go running up north just yet as her husband was running out the door. I was also like to see proof she was in Lansing!

So it's important to you that your Executive leaders model appropriate public health recommendations, yes? Does that apply to all Executive branch leaders or are you just selectively applying your outrage to Gretchen Whitmer?

[Richard]

MSNBC Reporter’s Hypocritical Mask-Shaming Busted On Live TV

“You can see here, nobody’s wearing them [masks],” Perry said, pointing at the man.
“Including the cameraman,” the man fired back.
“There you go, including the cameraman, yeah” Perry awkwardly said, looking away from the camera.
“Half your crew isn’t wearing them,” the man added as he walked away.
Tur appeared to take no notice of the man’s remark, concluding the segment: “Striking images.”
https://www.lacortenews.com/n/msnbc-...ted-on-live-tv

[oladub]

“Of the 44 hardest-hit congressional districts – the top 10% in terms of deaths – 41 are represented by Democrats, while three are represented by Republicans.” There is an amazing USAFacts.org map in this link dividing the United States into thirds showing where 1/3 of all Covid-19 deaths have occurred.

The 5/26/20 Pew Research article that the first link is based on is Coronavirus death toll is heavily concentrated in Democratic congressional districts

The Pew article also addresses race and education disparities. Surprisingly, congressional districts with higher levels of education have higher CV-19 death rates.

[aj3647]

“Of the 44 hardest-hit congressional districts – the top 10% in terms of deaths – 41 are represented by Democrats, while three are represented by Republicans.” There is an amazing USAFacts.org map in this link dividing the United States into thirds showing where 1/3 of all Covid-19 deaths have occurred.

The 5/26/20 Pew Research article that the first link is based on is Coronavirus death toll is heavily concentrated in Democratic congressional districts

The Pew article also addresses race and education disparities. Surprisingly, congressional districts with higher levels of education have higher CV-19 death rates.

Yes, Oladub, that's where all the people live. Do you think that has more to do with high-population density urban areas and the presence of international airports, or do you hypothesize that there's something biologically distinctive about Democrats that makes them more susceptible to the disease?

Meanwhile, here's the latest COVID economic numbers.

2 million more jobs lost last week, bringing the total to 40 million jobs lost.

GDP growth was -5% for the first quarter of 2020. GDP for 2nd quarter predicted to be as low as -40%.

Looks like Trump finally got that 5% GDP number he kept promising, it was just in the WRONG direction, wouldn't you say Oladub?

#TrumpsEconomy. You wanted it, you voted for it, now you got it. Own it.

[oladub]

Yes, Oladub, that's where all the people live. Do you think that has more to do with high-population density urban areas and the presence of international airports, or do you hypothesize that there's something biologically distinctive about Democrats that makes them more susceptible to the disease?

Meanwhile, here's the latest COVID economic numbers.

2 million more jobs lost last week, bringing the total to 40 million jobs lost.

GDP growth was -5% for the first quarter of 2020. GDP for 2nd quarter predicted to be as low as -40%.

Looks like Trump finally got that 5% GDP number he kept promising, it was just in the WRONG direction, wouldn't you say Oladub?

#TrumpsEconomy. You wanted it, you voted for it, now you got it. Own it.

aj, Please note that in my first sentence I wrote, “Of the 44 hardest-hit congressional districts". Congressional districts have similar populations.

To help you along, I will point out that left coast cities like LA and San Francisco have dense populations, vote Democratic, and are not in the first two thirds of congressional district death rates. Voting for Democrats doesn't have to be a death sentence. Even Oakland isn't included in the category "Of the 44 hardest-hit congressional districts – the top 10% in terms of deaths – 41 are represented by Democrats". Neither is Minneapolis although its liberals, many of whom are white, are burning and looting their city without keeping their social distance. To answer your question, I don't think that's biological. It's cultural.

Given the choice between if that statistic has to do with causation or coincidence, I'll go with causation. Take NY City for instance. Its elected leadership criticized Trump for restricting Chinese passenger traffic as "xenophobic" and suggested New Yorkers go to Chinatown in response. Its Mayor put 4,900 Covid-19 patients in nursing homes. That's causation not coincidence. The PC mindset didn't help.

Atlanta, Miami, LA and Texas cities have major international airports but their congressional districts somehow don't show up on that list. Taiwan, Germany, and Japan have international airports and dense urban housing but they don't have problems like urban Democratic congressional districts. The relationship between dense populations and high Covid-19 death rates is not inevitable. Taiwan has only had 7 deaths.New York City has had 16,610 Covid-19 deaths. About a week ago, NY City, playing catch up, stepped up its effort to sanitize subway cars. The lag had to do with bad management, not density.

Getting back to my postulate that high Covid-19 death rates are cultural and causal rather than biological and coincidental, I do something very foreign to you. I wonder about things. I'm thinking that populations that look after themselves instead of expecting governments to fix and do everything have better results. A population, for instance that had its collective head up its rear for the last 3.5 years trying to impeach the President instead of lining up infrastructure projects and preparing for a rainy day can't be expected to be in good shape to respond to emergencies.

[aj3647]

No comment on the economic numbers, Oladub? Hmmm. Is that because you're still thinking of ways to spin it so as to absolve Trump of any and all responsibility whatsoever and somehow pin all the blame on Obama? Don't worry, I have faith in your ability to twist yourself into logic knots, you'll find a way to blame Obama for it yet!

158 days until the election...

[oladub]

No comment on the economic numbers, Oladub? Hmmm. Is that because you're still thinking of ways to spin it so as to absolve Trump of any and all responsibility whatsoever and somehow pin all the blame on Obama? Don't worry, I have faith in your ability to twist yourself into logic knots, you'll find a way to blame Obama for it yet!

158 days until the election...

I doubted that most readers are so gullible, speaking of spin, as to blame Trump for the effects of a worldwide pandemic that started in China. Of course, the results could have been worse if we had a president anything like Cuomo. When everyone who is not an "essential worker" gets laid off by government decree, then yes more people are out of work. Like you say, we have the option of becoming more like the average congressional district at the national level if we vote in Democrats. Your man Biden, you will recall, also said that's Trump's reduction of Chinese visitors was xenophobic.

I will be glad to contribute a little spin of my own though. Today, we are witnessing the breakdown of law and order in the Twin Cities. I know of a doctor husband and wife in the Twin Cities. I had a phone call from [[her) today. She had to leave the clinic where she treats mostly Hmong patients early today because of all the looting and traffic problems going on there. Democrats, many white, are busy burning down their grocery stores there. Her husband is working at a hospital today and has to figure out which roads are safe and open when he gets off work. They both work with some Covid-19 patients. Remember my point about the high incidence of Covid-19 in Democratic congressional districts being causal rather than coincidental? That's a perfect example. The looters there are not staying at home and keeping safe spaces and now medical staff is having a more difficult time getting to and from work where they treat Covid-19 patients. Meanwhile, stores are being burned and looted along University Avenue which has its share of Asian and other immigrant owned restaurants presently being burned down by Democrats.

Coronavirus death toll is heavily concentrated in Democratic congressional districts and from one of my previous posts:

"U.S. counties that voted for Democrat Hillary Clinton in the 2016 presidential election reported 39 coronavirus deaths per 100,000 residents, according to an analysis of demographic and public health data.
In counties that voted for Republican Donald Trump, 13 of every 100,000 people had died from the virus. "

"Michigan counties that backed Clinton in 2016 collectively have reported 79 deaths for every 100,000 people. Counties that backed Trump have reported 25 deaths per 100,000."

There are so many reasons for Americans to want to make the Country more like Democratic parts of the Country. Orange Man Bad.

[Bigdd]

Poverty and hatred is good for Democrat politicians. The poorer people are,..the more likely they are to vote Democrat.

[Richard]

Yep,all the top dems calling for change,have all been in the position of creating change for the last 40 years.

The only change they have implemented is in their bank accounts which have gotten fatter while everybody else’s has gotten smaller,then they divert attention away by blaming evil corporations,the same corporations that fill up their personal bank accounts.

[aj3647]

I doubted that most readers are so gullible, speaking of spin, as to blame Trump for the effects of a worldwide pandemic that started in China.

Funny how you assigned 100% of the blame for any negative numbers during the Great Recession to Barack Obama, even though the Recession was started under his predecessor and he had nothing to do with it. But I guess "The Buck Stops Here" only applies when there's a Democrat in the White House, eh Oladub? Nice double standard you have there. Every negative number under Obama belongs 100% to Obama but nothing that happens under Trump is Trump's fault and he has no control over anything. What a pathetic, hypocritical view.

As for that worldwide pandemic, how come just about every other nation on earth is faring better than we are? Weird how we lead the world in deaths and cases if leadership doesn't make a difference, shouldn't every nation be as hard hit as we are if there was nothing that could be done about it?

[aj3647]

^

Actually Brazil looks like they botched it as bad we did, and they just so happen to have a VERY VERY Trump-like Right Wing populist President with strong authoritarian tendencies. And in fact, Bolsonaro's response to the COVID-19 crisis has been almost identical to Trump's response.

Brazilian President Bolsonaro's response has included:
-Repeatedly downplaying the severity of the crisis
-Attacking the news media
-Promoting unproven treatments and cures
-Prioritizing the economy over public health measures
-Openly encouraging "anti-lockdown" protesters
-Publicly opposed and feuded with state governors who have taken strong lockdown measures to protect the public health


Does the above sound familiar to you Oladub? Who does that sound like?

Anywho, Brazil is now #2 in the world in total number of cases [[behind Trump's America) and #6 in deaths with both case rate and death rate increasing exponentially. By next week, Brazil will be #3 in total number of deaths and will likely pass the UK for #2 within two weeks at their rate of death growth.

So we have two countries on earth running the "Trump Playbook" of how to fight COVID-19 and they just coincidentally happen to be the two countries that have the seen the worst effects? What a WEIRD coincidence! It's almost as if the suffering in both nations isn't a coincidence at all and is DIRECTLY related to how their President decided to handle the crisis...

[Bigdd]

Funny how you assigned 100% of the blame for any negative numbers during the Great Recession to Barack Obama, even though the Recession was started under his predecessor and he had nothing to do with it. But I guess "The Buck Stops Here" only applies when there's a Democrat in the White House, eh Oladub? Nice double standard you have there. Every negative number under Obama belongs 100% to Obama but nothing that happens under Trump is Trump's fault and he has no control over anything.

The great recession was caused by a Clinton era policy [[de-regulating the socialist mortgage market).

It's much like if one of us maxed out 200 credit cards,... times are great for a while,.. but soon enough the piper has to be paid.

Borrowing and building went bananas. House prices were in a massive bubble, and the collapse that HAD to occur happened under the next guy's watch. Slick.


What people blame President Obama for is doing everything he could to tamp down the recovery. A country like the USA should have bounced back much faster.

[Bigdd]

Anywho, Brazil is now #2 in the world in total number of cases [[behind Trump's America) and #6 in deaths with both case rate and death rate increasing exponentially. By next week, Brazil will be #3 in total number of deaths and will likely pass the UK for #2 within two weeks at their rate of death growth.

Soooo,.. in your world, when you use statistics to make a point,.. you don't account for population size?

Because if you did,.. you'd realize we aren't #1. Rather we're the 9th worst.

And you'd realize that we were doing a lot better than Sweden, the UK, Spain, France, Italy, Netherlands, Ireland, Belgium etc,.. and just one place worse than Switzerland in 10th.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...n-inhabitants/

[aj3647]

Soooo,.. in your world, when you use statistics to make a point,.. you don't account for population size?

Because if you did,.. you'd realize we aren't #1. Rather we're the 9th worst.

And you'd realize that we were doing a lot better than Sweden, the UK, Spain, France, Italy, Netherlands, Ireland, Belgium etc,.. and just one place worse than Switzerland in 10th.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...n-inhabitants/

I clearly stated that I was using "total" numbers of cases and deaths, in which we are #1 in both, but fine let's look at per capita statistics as well.

Statista has us #9 out of 145. So 136 other countries are doing better than us, and 8 are doing worse. Great success? If you scored in the bottom 6th percentile on a test, what grade would you receive?

Anyways, you might want to examine the trends in some of those countries that are ahead of us on the list, like Spain and Italy. For example, Spain recorded one new death today. One. We had 1,223. Is our population 1223x the size of Spain's population? No? Then what do you predict will happen to those rankings in the coming weeks? I'm serious. Make a prediction and stand by it. I'll make mine right now, the US and Brazil are going to CLIMB the rankings in per capita deaths in the coming weeks. Do you agree or disagree? If you disagree, then fine, we'll just re-visit your very source 1 month from today and see how the rankings have changed. Fair?