"Good" Schools and "Bad" Schools

**Towne Cluber** · October-02-19, 11:13 PM

“In Michigan, eight colleges and universities are considered selective: Calvin, Hillsdale, Hope and Kalamazoo colleges; Kettering, Michigan State, Michigan Tech universities and UM-Ann Arbor.”

“MSU draws 70% of its student body from Michigan”

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**bartocktoo** · October-03-19, 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by Towne Cluber

“In Michigan, eight colleges and universities are considered selective: Calvin, Hillsdale, Hope and Kalamazoo colleges; Kettering, Michigan State, Michigan Tech universities and UM-Ann Arbor.”

“MSU draws 70% of its student body from Michigan”

https://www.detroitjournalism.org/20...teractive-map/

This sure looks like academic credential insecurity to me...

**Towne Cluber** · October-03-19, 10:19 PM

Originally Posted by bartocktoo

This sure looks like academic credential insecurity to me...

You have some serious character issues for wanting to deliberately spread false information.

**bartocktoo** · October-04-19, 10:02 AM

Originally Posted by Towne Cluber

You have some serious character issues for wanting to deliberately spread false information.

Hmmm...

**mwilbert** · October-04-19, 10:41 AM

Originally Posted by Towne Cluber

“In Michigan, eight colleges and universities are considered selective: Calvin, Hillsdale, Hope and Kalamazoo colleges; Kettering, Michigan State, Michigan Tech universities and UM-Ann Arbor.”

“MSU draws 70% of its student body from Michigan”

https://www.detroitjournalism.org/20...teractive-map/

I'm not going to get into the insane nitpickyness of what school is in what tier, or what's selective and what isn't.

Here's some data:

2019 25/75 percentile total scores SAT

UM 1330 1510
MSU 1110 1310
WSU 1010 1210

The order is as you would expect, but MSU has a lot of overlap with WSU, but not with UM. You can make of that what you like, but what I make of it is that the average student at MSU is likely a lot more similar to the average student at WSU than to the average student at UM.

**Towne Cluber** · October-04-19, 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by mwilbert

I'm not going to get into the insane nitpickyness of what school is in what tier, or what's selective and what isn't.

Here's some data:

2019 25/75 percentile total scores SAT

UM 1330 1510
MSU 1110 1310
WSU 1010 1210

The order is as you would expect, but MSU has a lot of overlap with WSU, but not with UM. You can make of that what you like, but what I make of it is that the average student at MSU is likely a lot more similar to the average student at WSU than to the average student at UM.

Based on your numbers, it would seem to be more accurate to say that the average student at MSU would be similar to the high end student at WSU. Or the high end student at MSU is similar to the lower end student at UofM.

**Hans64** · October-05-19, 05:18 PM

Originally Posted by Towne Cluber

“In Michigan, eight colleges and universities are considered selective: Calvin, Hillsdale, Hope and Kalamazoo colleges; Kettering, Michigan State, Michigan Tech universities and UM-Ann Arbor.”

https://www.detroitjournalism.org/20...teractive-map/

Albion College has an acceptance rate that exceeds that of Calvin and Hope colleges. Albion and Kalamazoo are considered the top two private colleges in the state.

**Towne Cluber** · October-05-19, 05:44 PM

Originally Posted by Hans64

Albion College has an acceptance rate that exceeds that of Calvin and Hope colleges. Albion and Kalamazoo are considered the top two private colleges in the state.

I was also surprised not to see Albion on this list.