Detroit Michigan needs Competency

**313WX** · May-14-19, 09:29 PM

Originally Posted by Seven&wyo

...The Detroit that many people on this forum knew is dead and gone...

That's not entirely true either.

**Honky Tonk** · May-15-19, 07:14 AM

Originally Posted by 313WX

That's not entirely true either.

Mostly yes. It's gone from "take a walk on the wild side" to "take a ride on the choo-choo to the contrived expensive side".

**O3H** · May-16-19, 03:31 PM

People ask what is MY solution to Detroit's woes.
I've come to the solid conclusion supported by plenty of sources :

It all needs the foundation of a WELL educated workforce.
Allowing kids to graduate and have a diploma when they were
as dumb as rocks , unable to read, comprehend, do math story problems, etc. was a huge disservice for an entire generation.
It came back to bite Detroit in a very detrimal manner.

**stasu1213** · May-16-19, 06:47 PM

I feel that not only educated workforce is needed but vocational schools need to be reinstalled to educate and prepare Detroiters to get into the workforce. I still think that no matter how many people or educated people are qualified to get into the workforce in Detroit there is still going to be a certain element in city government who want to keep things the way they are in the city. Poor decision making by those in city government and shutting out businesses that could employ many and bring additional revenue to the city for political reasons. Detroit have to learn how to accomedate those educated millenials if Detroit want an increase in an educated workforce.

**archfan** · May-17-19, 01:11 AM

Originally Posted by O3H

People ask what is MY solution to Detroit's woes.
I've come to the solid conclusion supported by plenty of sources :

It all needs the foundation of a WELL educated workforce.
Allowing kids to graduate and have a diploma when they were
as dumb as rocks , unable to read, comprehend, do math story problems, etc. was a huge disservice for an entire generation.
It came back to bite Detroit in a very detrimal manner.

How do you do that? Do they have to pass a test showing they can do all that before they graduate? Or is there some other way to show they can do those things?

**O3H** · May-17-19, 06:44 AM

Well Archfan, it seems that other countries have that figured out.

Here in America, the land of the free, EACH community is different,
so that each area is locally educated, often quite differently than an adjacent area, and the kids are pawns in a wicked sick game of
oh shit """you - were - born - in that neighborhood""" good luck. Yep, American citizens from day one, little kids are held hostage, to a school system that often fails their basic needs, and no one seems to care much.

Being a good citizen of the USA means you contribute to society, instead of being a drain upon it. Being literate, math proficient, and showing up daily, on time, for a job via discipline and perseverance, play huge roles.

In my opinion - Education should be in the FEDERAL governments primary objectives, NOT way down the list at just some piddly 8% for funding public schools - with state and local groups filling in gaps.

A bit of socialism is a good thing, especially when kids advance forward.

**Honky Tonk** · May-17-19, 08:25 AM

Originally Posted by O3H

Well Archfan, it seems that other countries have that figured out.

Here in America, the land of the free, EACH community is different,
so that each area is locally educated, often quite differently than an adjacent area, and the kids are pawns in a wicked sick game of
oh shit """you - were - born - in that neighborhood""" good luck. Yep, American citizens from day one, little kids are held hostage, to a school system that often fails their basic needs, and no one seems to care much.

Being a good citizen of the USA means you contribute to society, instead of being a drain upon it. Being literate, math proficient, and showing up daily, on time, for a job via discipline and perseverance, play huge roles.

In my opinion - Education should be in the FEDERAL governments primary objectives, NOT way down the list at just some piddly 8% for funding public schools - with state and local groups filling in gaps.

A bit of socialism is a good thing, especially when kids advance forward.

8% ?!?!, why that's $.08 on the dollar! That's minuscule. This link should put put things in perspective.

https://mobile.edweek.org/c.jsp?cid=...3Fuuid%3D74925

How are the kids in Warren doing?

**O3H** · May-17-19, 07:43 PM

The money is squandered and the kids are dumber than snail shit

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-educ...t-study-shows/

How does the Superintendent of Detroit Schools justify $300,000 salary
-- of a five year contract - $20,000 annuity and a $9,000 car allowance.

**Honky Tonk** · May-17-19, 10:51 PM

Originally Posted by O3H

The money is squandered and the kids are dumber than snail shit

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-educ...t-study-shows/

How does the Superintendent of Detroit Schools justify $300,000 salary
-- of a five year contract - $20,000 annuity and a $9,000 car allowance.

How much does the superintendent of Warren Schools get? Does NASA regularly hold job fairs in your end of town?

**Dan Wesson** · May-18-19, 05:34 AM

The new norm...

Outrage equals clicks.

Stir the pot.

**stasu1213** · May-18-19, 07:58 PM

The Detroit Public School system had let it's students down by getting rid of vocational classes such as plumbing, electrical, auto mechanics, etc in exchange for stem cell. These so called academies also had done a disservice to the students in Detroit. They are poorly funded and students coming out of these academies being more illed prepared to compete in the job market than those that came out of DPS.

**Zacha341** · May-19-19, 07:34 AM

^^^ The Career Techs [[formerly known as vo-tech education) of Detroit Public Schools Community District are still operating [[they were never closed): Randolph, Breithaupt, and Cornelius Golightly offer programs as you describe with STEM within their curriculum.

**313WX** · May-19-19, 07:53 AM

Originally Posted by Zacha341

^^^ The Career Techs [[formerly known as vo-tech education) of Detroit Public Schools Community District are still operating: Randolph, Breithaupt, and Cornelius Golightly offer programs as you describe with STEM within their curriculum.

They must have just re-opened recently.

Under the EM, they were shut down.

**Zacha341** · May-19-19, 09:14 AM

No, they were not closed. They remained open thru all the emergency manager years -- on up thru this school year.

Randolph and Breithaupt both receiving funding and investment monies:

https://www.freep.com/story/news/201...obs/608115001/

https://www.crainsdetroit.com/articl...safety-cameras

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/ne...ng/3502568002/

http://www.fox2detroit.com/news/loca...er-tech-center

Golightly innovates with career-focused education

http://www.modeldmedia.com/features/...on-012219.aspx

Originally Posted by 313WX

They must have just re-opened recently.

Under the EM, they were shut down.

**Zacha341** · May-19-19, 09:26 AM

DPSCD Crockett Career and Technical Center did close in 2012, becoming Ben Carson High School of Science and Medicine.

**O3H** · May-19-19, 09:30 AM

Vocational classes such as plumbing, electrical, auto mechanics
-- simply perpetuate a cycle of Manufacturing/Industrial type jobs.

In order get the High Tech work - i.e those truly High PAYING jobs,
the area must focus on education in those areas and be successful.

Let's be honest. Detroit needs to diversify away from just Automotive.

**313WX** · May-19-19, 09:36 AM

Originally Posted by Zacha341

No, they were not closed. They remained open thru all the emergency manager years -- on up thru this school year.

Randolph and Breithaupt both receiving funding and investment monies:

https://www.freep.com/story/news/201...obs/608115001/

https://www.crainsdetroit.com/articl...safety-cameras

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/ne...ng/3502568002/

http://www.fox2detroit.com/news/loca...er-tech-center

Golightly innovates with career-focused education

http://www.modeldmedia.com/features/...on-012219.aspx

Interesting. I'm obviously having a Mandela moment.

**Zacha341** · May-19-19, 09:41 AM

Indeed adaptation in the Programs is occurring. See links I sent on what the Detroit CTC's are doing... and receiving funds for.....

Interestingly, some standby programs such as distinctive Welding remain strong dovetailing with specific CNC knowledge at certain points.

But not in the traditional manner... you'd best know also how to program, repair and maintain the robot doing some tasks!!

Originally Posted by O3H

Vocational classes such as plumbing, electrical, auto mechanics
-- simply perpetuate a cycle of Manufacturing/Industrial type jobs.

In order get the High Tech work - i.e those truly High PAYING jobs,
the area must focus on education in those areas and be successful.

Let's be honest. Detroit needs to diversify away from just Automotive.

**bust** · May-19-19, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by O3H

Vocational classes such as plumbing, electrical, auto mechanics
-- simply perpetuate a cycle of Manufacturing/Industrial type jobs.

In order get the High Tech work - i.e those truly High PAYING jobs,
the area must focus on education in those areas and be successful.

Let's be honest. Detroit needs to diversify away from just Automotive.

Detroit's economy needs to diversify, but don't forget: plumbing, electrical, and mechanical skills are useful everywhere.

**Richard** · May-19-19, 10:19 AM

Originally Posted by O3H

Vocational classes such as plumbing, electrical, auto mechanics
-- simply perpetuate a cycle of Manufacturing/Industrial type jobs.

In order get the High Tech work - i.e those truly High PAYING jobs,
the area must focus on education in those areas and be successful.

Let's be honest. Detroit needs to diversify away from just Automotive.

It is that shallow mindset that brought us to where we are at today mixed in with the ones who feel they are better then tradespeople because they are techie,try not useing the toilet for a few days and see how smart one is.

I do not care how high tech you want everybody to be,at the end of the day you still need to take a shower,use the toilet,and turn on the power.

Remove plumbing,electrical,mechanics and every other skilled trade from your life for a few weeks and see how long you last.

There is not a single aspect of your daily life that did not involve a skilled trade somewhere along the line.

The building that you work and live in was made possible by the skilled trades,I guess you would be okay living in a bush and going potty in the river,salty fish would be the least of your worries.

**Dan Wesson** · May-19-19, 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by O3H

Vocational classes such as plumbing, electrical, auto mechanics
-- simply perpetuate a cycle of Manufacturing/Industrial type jobs.

In order get the High Tech work - i.e those truly High PAYING jobs,
the area must focus on education in those areas and be successful.

Let's be honest. Detroit needs to diversify away from just Automotive.

Ha, it's obvious this pretentious poster hasn't needed the services of "plumbing, electrical, auto mechanics" lately.

**Dan Wesson** · May-19-19, 11:01 AM

Pretentious Poster would be starting a thread about the high cost of lowly laborers.

**Dan Wesson** · May-19-19, 11:04 AM

Outrageous!!

**313WX** · May-19-19, 11:26 AM

Originally Posted by Richard

It is that shallow mindset that brought us to where we are at today mixed in with the ones who feel they are better then tradespeople because they are techie,try not useing the toilet for a few days and see how smart one is.

I do not care how high tech you want everybody to be,at the end of the day you still need to take a shower,use the toilet,and turn on the power.

Remove plumbing,electrical,mechanics and every other skilled trade from your life for a few weeks and see how long you last.

There is not a single aspect of your daily life that did not involve a skilled trade somewhere along the line.

The building that you work and live in was made possible by the skilled trades,I guess you would be okay living in a bush and going potty in the river,salty fish would be the least of your worries.

Balance is key.

A city that is truly economically vibrant will offer plentiful employment opportunities for people from all walks of life. It shouldn't just be about blue collar vs. white collar jobs, or tech vs. trades. City/county/state leaders should be doing what's necessary to actively court high-paying desk jobs as well as manual labor jobs.

Either extreme has its downfalls. See San Francisco for tech and Inland Empire for blue collar jobs as examples.

**O3H** · May-19-19, 04:00 PM

I'm also that bastard that while solo hiking for 2 weeks, will not hesitate to shit in the woods, catch a fish, cook it over a fire, and sleep outdoors.
Bathe in a stream, sterilize drinking water, been there, done that.
Zero fear of the icky nasty side of life, or do it yourself projects.

Being able to read well, comprehend diagrams, etc. yields itself well to NOT needing that expensive overpriced plumber, electrician, welder, mechanic, etc.
Yeah, it's called LEARNING, and it happens during an entire lifespan.

I've never looked down at trades, but I don't think they are special.
It merely means they chose a different path in life, and that's okay.
My parents taught me how do many manual labor home tasks.
Guess what, failure is a part of learning, in fact it is essential and crucial.
Home Depot and Lowes have classes all the time to learn more stuff.

Feel the need to hop the wagon, follow others, and bash me, go ahead.
Detroit won't be going anywhere in the meantime.