Rip, mi gop

[Richard]

Michigan has a Democrat Governor,Detroit has a Democrat mayor,historic gerrymandering proportions are leaning towards what party?

I guess it does not work so well.

The only historical cycle is Dems get in office,create more ways to tax to the point where everybody is broke then republicans take office and rebuild so people can breathe again,then the cycle repeats again.

When it does not we see cities staying broke,although Detroit’s current mayor seems to be an exception,but then again he could really be a Republican that identifies as a Democrat.

[Atticus]

Geography alone works against the Democrats. The liberals are heavily concentrated in a few urban areas, and thus the geographic spread is not a heterogeneous statewide representation of the overall population mix.

Long story short, you will probably always get a greater representation of the GOP in district type legislature voting, when compared to the political breakdown of the state population as a whole. This will remain true regardless who draws the lines, albeit not quite as skewered as the current Gerrymandering.

[Zacha341]

I've heard that. Thus, why they want to push voting for incarcerated felons. Only problem [[smile) is that some long-term inmates have had enough time to think and read to have turned indie or conservative!! ----

There's a percentage of religion conversion going on in prison, newly converted Muslims and Christians may not be so obliged towards the new socialist democratic agenda or what the repubs keep churning!

Geography alone works against the Democrats. The liberals are heavily concentrated in a few urban areas, and thus the geographic spread is not a heterogeneous statewide representation of the overall population mix...

[poobert]

The only historical cycle is Dems get in office,create more ways to tax to the point where everybody is broke then republicans take office and rebuild so people can breathe again,then the cycle repeats again.

Yes, like when George W. Bush saved us from the Clinton surplus and Pax Americana by hurling us into two endless wars, the Great Recession, and a mushrooming deficit.

Other than the occasional billionaire, it's great how it's been laid so bare that Balkan-style hyper-nationalism or virulent fundamentalist Christianity are the true motivators for the vast majority of GOP voters.

I'm white, a Christian, a veteran, and a proud American - and I will never, ever, ever vote GOP. Trump, Dubya, Snyder - enough said.

[Bigdd]

Yes, like when George W. Bush saved us from the Clinton surplus ......

You have that backwards. The housing crash and resulting depression [[oops,.. I mean "Great Recession") was the result of Clinton,.. not Bush.

The socialist system of mortgage guarantees we've had [[FHA etc) was working quite well until [[under the Clinton admin) they removed most all of the regulations on it. This was under the auspices of making it easier for minorities to buy homes.

So with no income qual, etc, mortgages exploded. This puts a massive amount of artificial currency into the system. Building exploded, house prices exploded,.. but it was all a bubble.

It was unsustainable, and it finally collapsed a decade after it began,.. but by that time Clinton was out of office, and the next guy takes the heat.

But blaming that one thing on Bush is dishonest.

Think of it as Clinton receiving 100,000 new credit cards,.. maxing them out [[life is good, for a while). Yay the budget is balanced, the economy is great. But then the bills coming due under Bush, and the downside is bigger and lasts longer than the bubble did.

The fools won't figure that out,.. and will think Clinton was a great president,.. and we need more like him. But the housing disaster, NAFTA, etc were all catastrophic to our economy.

[poobert]

The socialist system of mortgage guarantees we've had [[FHA etc) was working quite well until [[under the Clinton admin) they removed most all of the regulations on it. This was under the auspices of making it easier for minorities to buy homes.

Defend your work, professor. I'd like to see a citation for that.

Even if that were accurate, Bush had 8 years to undo or modify whatever Clinton did but was too busy getting us mired in unwinnable wars.

Not a Clinton fan but definitely not a fan of this Fox News-style of rewriting history to favor whoever has an R after their name.

[Richard]

I'm white, a Christian, a veteran, and a proud American - and I will never, ever, ever vote GOP. Trump, Dubya, Snyder - enough said.

Outside of the being white part which really should not matter,that outlook or stance is what makes this country great.

You have that freedom to take that stance even though there are some who wish to remove those very freedoms.

I did military service under then president Carter,he stripped the military down to the bone and pushed the anti military agenda to the point where it was best not to be in public in uniform.

The lack of spare parts cost a lot of lives on failed missions,we had 9 months of straight 24-7 duty in Iran no breaks,he pops up gives us a warm beer and says great job expect a $300 bonus,which never came and did not even offer to help load the bodies.

$10,000 in life insurance was the only benefit offered.

Even at that you never saw rusty navel vessels floating around and running into other ships,or terrorist boats blowing them up and you would have never handed your weapon over to the enemy out of political correctness like the military was run under the previous administration.

If we did not have the constant bickering it would meen the checks and balances no longer worked and we would have bigger problems then gerrymandering to worry about.