The Honduran Elephant In The Room

[Canadian Visitor]

• You have "good moral character."
• You can read, write and speak English.
• You can pass a test about U.S. history and government.
• You will swear that you believe in the principles of the U.S. Constitution and will be loyal to the U.S.

That is the partial requirements for obtaining a citizenship in the United States.

So in immigrations eyes,english would be to Common Language requirement,Not French or Spanish.

Hmmm, are Puerto Ricans immigrants? Uhhhhh.. That would be a 'no'.

Which means they don't have to pass that test, and since Spanish is the language of instruction in schools down there, it might surprise no one that only 10% of PR residents are considered fluent in English.

That doesn't spontaneous change because they relocate to another part of their country.

It does clearly say read,write and speak English.

Well, thank goodness that requirement isn't imposed on US Citizens, your citizenship would be revoked, with prejudice!

Now that I look at it, you'd almost certainly flunk the US history and civics requirement and the moral character too.

Since we already disallow you in Canada, I wonder who would take a stateless refugee without fluency in any language.........

[GMan]

Hmmm, are Puerto Ricans immigrants? Uhhhhh.. That would be a 'no'.
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Well, thank goodness that requirement isn't imposed on US Citizens, your citizenship would be revoked, with prejudice!

Well Richard is correct that passing a basic English proficiency test is required for naturalized citizens. The joke of the matter is the candidate gets to have an interpreter with them to take the test. Just imagine when asked to read a line or two of the test and the interpreter responds..."Yes that is what my client said. They understand perfectly....."

[Richard]

Hmmm, are Puerto Ricans immigrants? Uhhhhh.. That would be a 'no'.

Which means they don't have to pass that test, and since Spanish is the language of instruction in schools down there, it might surprise no one that only 10% of PR residents are considered fluent in English.

That doesn't spontaneous change because they relocate to another part of their country.



Well, thank goodness that requirement isn't imposed on US Citizens, your citizenship would be revoked, with prejudice!

Now that I look at it, you'd almost certainly flunk the US history and civics requirement and the moral character too.

Since we already disallow you in Canada, I wonder who would take a stateless refugee without fluency in any language.........

So why would you waste an entire post go on about something that I never posted,even more so,if they actually taught you reading comprehension in that advance education that you so proudly wear on you sleeve,you would have read where I specifically wrote that Puerto Rican’s Who are amercian citizens were the worst offenders and not immigrants.

Is there something confusing about that?

You always show me the real reasons why Canadians flock south for the winter,it’s not the cold,they need a break from you.

[Richard]

Well Richard is correct that passing a basic English proficiency test is required for naturalized citizens. The joke of the matter is the candidate gets to have an interpreter with them to take the test. Just imagine when asked to read a line or two of the test and the interpreter responds..."Yes that is what my client said. They understand perfectly....."

It is like that for the driver license test down here,Spanish test,Spanish instructor.

So what happens when the highway emergency sign is flashing,caution protesters on the highway,slow down.

But no understand engla.

[Zacha341]

Thank goodness most commercial Aviation does not abide in this confusion. English only.

[Canadian Visitor]

So why would you waste an entire post go on about something that I never posted,even more so,if they actually taught you reading comprehension in that advance education that you so proudly wear on you sleeve,you would have read where I specifically wrote that Puerto Rican’s Who are amercian citizens were the worst offenders and not immigrants.

Is there something confusing about that?

You always show me the real reasons why Canadians flock south for the winter,it’s not the cold,they need a break from you.

The one who is confused is you. As per the norm.

My post specifically answers your post[[s) and points out their non-sequitur nature.

You noted this issue of people not speaking English in certain areas of the United States.

You noted the worst offenders were Puerto Ricans.

You then posted on citizenship criteria which would NOT apply to Puerto Ricans. Ipso Facto non-sequitur!

That was my point, and I'm quite happy to stand by it.

[Richard]

^ just because you can buy weed in Canada it does not mean that you need to get blitzed out of your head.

Try going back to my post #184 a re read it with a little comprehension this time,I am not sure who paid for your education or manners but they really deserve a refund.

Common sense,the one thing you are shy of ,would dictate a posting of requirements for immigration would not apply to somebody that would not be required to apply for citizenship.

You just like to add things in your head in order to fluff yourself up while looking down a very narrow path.

For somebody that ran in the corner crying and publicly posted that they were going to block me,you sure do like to pop out like a little groundhog on a mission.

At the very least your,word means little.

Your reply had nothing to do with non sequitur,it was solely aimed at blabbing on about how I supposedly had no knowledge that PRs were us citizens.

You can stand by your point,but try pulling it out a little south because it appears to be poking into your brain.

[Canadian Visitor]

^ just because you can buy weed in Canada it does not mean that you need to get blitzed out of your head.

I don't partake in that particular substance [[though I favoured its legalization); I'm more of a Chianti person

I am not sure who paid for your education or manners but they really deserve a refund.

My education is exemplary. My manners with most people are too. I must confess, however, to having giving up on you as being a person some time ago.

Common sense.......would dictate a posting of requirements for immigration would not apply to somebody that would not be required to apply for citizenship.

Agreed. But given your statement that the problem lies with those who that would not be required to apply for citizenship, your second post remains irrelevant and a non-sequitur.

My understanding of what you posted is far greater than yours. That doesn't say anything amazing about me, it does say something concerning about you.

For somebody that ran in the corner crying and publicly posted that they were going to block me,you sure do like to pop out like a little groundhog on a mission.

Never cried, never went in a corner, did block you, you're still blocked.

As I previously explained to you, sadly, when one is not logged in, there is no blocking. So I end up seeing the crap you post anyway.

Then I feel the need, some small portion of the time, to correct your BS, and contextualize the odd accurate, but misrepresented thing you say, lest an innocent party be afflicted by the errors of your ways.

At the very least your,word means little.

As noted, you remain blocked. Even if it is pointless. Sigh. My word is just fine. You posting drivel is not.

Your reply had nothing to do with non sequitur,it was solely aimed at blabbing on about how I supposedly had no knowledge that PRs were us citizens.

Already discussed above. Its a non-sequitur because you know Puerto Ricans are citizens. Sigh.

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Now can we move on [[by way of you shutting up). I'm sure others are bored w/this tit for tat.

I have something better to do to.....back later.

[Richard]

^ well,stop being a chucky jack-in-the-box and stay in your little corner if you feel the need to school me,your post had zero to do with the subject.

Sorry,hate to burst your bubble but your exemplary education,as you put it,is all you have,you are mistaken if you think it bought you any humanity.

Of course when you starve your school children in order to enjoy free healthcare,one cannot really expect much,and they say college is cheap in Canada,I guess it is like they say,you get what you pay for.

I notice Canada has kept quiet on the Hundoran situation,no offers to send planes to pick em up and enjoy the freedoms and compassion Canada has to offer.

So either you guys do not want them or your afraid of rejection if they say,no thanks.

Do you think that immigrants always trying to get into the United States are doing so because of opertuinty and going to Canada for the free stuff?

You have my permission to come out of the corner and reply to that.

[Zacha341]

Back to the subject - Updates re. the Honduran's entry into the US:

PICTURED: A group of Hondurans in the migrant caravan scale the Mexican border wall in Tijuana....
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...der-fence.html

With U.S. Soil Achingly Close, Decision Time for Caravan Migrants
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/03/w...s-tijuana.html

Mexico begins moving caravan migrants to new shelter....
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/mexico-begins-moving-caravan-migrants-to-new-shelter-but-faces-mistrust/2018/11/30/4e597530-f497-11e8-aeea-b85fd44449f5_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.a6 f7cda9556c

[coracle]

^^^ [[#208) “I'm sure others are bored w/this tit for tat.
I have something better to do to.....back later."

You got that right in spades. If you didn't keep spewing your smug Canadian "superior knowledge” “tit” nobody would "tat".

And don’t hurry back. You'll not be missed [[I'm sure you've got 10 - 20 arrogant smart reasons why you will!)

Spend your time emulating your geese for the reason everybody wants to block them.

[Honky Tonk]

My education is exemplary.

Your not. Get over it.

Don't you mean "You're"?

[Canadian Visitor]

You got that right in spades. If you didn't keep spewing your smug Canadian "superior knowledge” “tit” nobody would "tat".

I did not use the word superior. I referred to my education; and I did so only AFTER I was insulted about it. Nothing smug about that.

As for my knowledge; yes, my facts, provable, researched, well reasoned are a reason to attack me.

And don’t hurry back. You'll not be missed [[I'm sure you've got 10 - 20 arrogant smart reasons why you will!)

I'll be back as it suits me, no reasons are required.

[Canadian Visitor]

You have my permission to come out of the corner and reply to that.

I require your permission for nothing.

The rest of the nonsense you wrote doesn't merit a reply.

[Zacha341]

What will happen to caravan members who cross illegally into the U.S.?

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com...204-story.html

From article:

Juana Matutet, a 42-year-old woman from Honduras, said a smuggler came to the sports complex that through most of last week housed the caravan to offer to help people across to turn themselves in to U.S. officials for $150.

Noel Miguel Ramos, a 29-year-old man from El Salvador who joined the caravan in Mexico, said he planned to wait for heavy fog to roll in before trying to cross by himself. He’s been studying Google Maps to plan his route.

“I don’t have anything to lose,” Ramos said. “Trump said he won’t let us in.”

Criminal Prosecutions

Many of those who have crossed in recent days were subsequently apprehended by Border Patrol. However, it does not appear that many, if any, have been prosecuted criminally on illegal entry charges in federal court.

Even a man with a murder conviction in Honduras spotlighted by the Department of Homeland Security as evidence of “known criminals” in the caravan after he was caught by Border Patrol agents in late November has not been charged.

The U.S. Attorney’s office referred the Union-Tribune to Customs and Border Protection when asked about the lack of criminal charges. CBP declined to say why some cases are forwarded for criminal prosecution and others aren’t, including those who are part of the caravan.

The agency also would not say how many caravan members have been apprehended after crossing illegally nor how many have been referred for criminal prosecution......

[Zacha341]

^^^ Who? What?

[Richard]

The poorest of the poor?

Adverage monthly income is less then $50 per month,but yet has cell phone.

Offering to bring across for $150 ,most of them have never even seen $150 at one time,in thier life.

Some are upset because they were told that if they joined the caravan,as a group you could just walk across the border,which has never been the case.

Bla bla without borders is there offering free coaching on what to say while applying for asylum,in order to improve their chances.

1 out of 100 will actually qualify for asylum,at best,they already knew what was up the day they left and the odds.

The only hope they had was to rush the border and enter illegally or invade.

Mexico offered citizenship and work,which was way more then they could have hoped to have.

Where did they get the energy to be trucked 2500 miles but not have enough to overthrow thier own Marxist government that they wanted in the first place,because of the promise of free stuff.

They created their own fate by coming in a large group and not expecting a long processing delay,they knew that already though so thier only intent was to rush the border,no plan B.

[Jimaz]

A Brief History of U.S. Dirty Wars in Central America That Set the Stage for the Refugee Crisis

The world watched in horror as U.S. Border Patrol agents opened fire with tear gas on a group of refugees seeking asylum in the United States. Among the targets of this assault by U.S. forces were women and children, many of whom who fled Honduras.

Across the news media, these refugees are simply referred to as “migrants,” or “the caravan.” Rarely do we get any context of why they are risking their lives and the lives of their children to flee Honduras. And part of why we don’t hear the context is because to really tell this story, you need to talk about the U.S. dirty wars in Central America in the 1980s, the impact of neoliberal economic policies, and the catastrophe of climate change caused by the U.S. and other major world powers. You need to know history.

And if you know this history, particularly in Honduras, then you know that what we are seeing now is a situation where the U.S. set a house on fire and as the flames have raged, the U.S. is standing against the people trying to flee the fire that Washington set to their home.

[Honky Tonk]

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[Richard]

Hey,that is a job for Canuck,he was looking for a piñata to hit with a big stick.

[canuck]

Hey,that is a job for Canuck,he was looking for a piñata to hit with a big stick.

Close, but my Chumpty Dumpty woulda sat on a wall.
However, Donkey Kong is a nice proxy.

[Richard]

A Brief History of U.S. Dirty Wars in Central America That Set the Stage for the Refugee Crisis

The US stood by in the 40s and 50s as Chile welcomed Hitlers doctor of death in order to establish over 750 camps where anybody that did not agree with the current dictatorship was sent and tortured to death and used in medical experiments.

Imagine being tortured for monthes on end just to see how long one can last,just for voicing ones opinion.

The history of Central America is deep in brutal dictatorships where 100s of thousands just disappeared.

Say Trump sucks in those countries and you would be imprisioned or dead within hours.

The very fact that they were still alive in order to make a run to the border proves that we are and were a deterrent.

Sometimes you have to make a decision,is your life more important then your country’s or your fellow countryman’s future,Honduras slipped back into a socialist dictatorship and was allowed by the majority.They made that choice and now say o shit,I guess it was not all that good,so now I will just run and jump borders.

So they gather 10,000 and march towards this country flying Thier countries flag proudly,that flag meens nothing if you are not ready to sacrifice in order to defend it.

They have that much energy to walk 2500 miles they can use the same energy to create change in their country.

We in this country have what we have because hundreds of thousands sacrificed their life to preserve it.

Maybe they are right and we should just pull out and let the narco and dictatorships continue to eliminate anybody that they do not agree with,we may have started some things in the name of democracy but in the interm there are millions still alive that would not be.

To try and put Central America’s problems on us like it is our fault is hogwash,millions died at the hands of their leaders,that is on them if they choose to take the easy way out.

Its 100 years of wash rinse and repeat.

[oladub]

The Honduran coup occurred in June, 2009 when the Honduran Army, following orders from the Honduran Supreme Court, grabbed Honduran President Zelaya and flew him to Costa Rica. That happened six months into Obama's, not Trump's, presidency. Secretary of State Clinton said, "We do not think this has evolved into a coup". Of course, Hillary isn't able to discern a coup even if she were, or is, party to fomenting a coup. Had the coup been recognized as a coup, the U.S. could no longer have provided aid to Honduras.

Whether or not it was a military coup does not explain why most Hondurans choosing to leave their country head straight to the U.S. border even after being offered Mexican visas while 3M Venezuelan fleeing their social democracy instead mostly resettle in adjacent countries. I haven't seen photos of Venezuelan refugees waving Venezuelan flags, giving the finger to Colombian authorities, pushing their women and children to the front and into harm's way or demanding $50,000 from anyone to go home either. No wonder Democrats want those Hondurans.

[Bham1982]

Does the "Honduran elephant" refer to one of the Honduran illegals knowingly employed by Trump? Yet another criminal investigation, yet another round of deranged cultists screaming "fakenews", as their Jonestown crumbles.

[Richard]

^ people like you created that Jonestown and now obsess with it while not keeping your eye on the real issues in essence guaranteeing it continues.

Take some personal responsibility for your actions maybe?

It was not Trump supporters that were devastated and crying on TV in 2016 so who really was the cult that was so blinded that they could not even see it coming?

Trump is your fault and you are channeling your inner anger at yourself towards Trump,is that really the best way to handle it?