Michigan Governor's Race

[K-slice]

With all due respect, that's a horrible idea. It is essentially what Hillary did and you see what that got her. She couldn't carry traditionally blue states that all voted twice for a guy named Barack Hussein Obama.

But had that old white man been Bernie Sanders or Joe Biden [[impossible I know) I gotta think they would have gotten her more votes than Kaine. Tim Kaine was basically unknown on the national stage and added no fire to the ticket. Abdul is known now and has the followers Whitmer needs to keep involved going into the general.

My point being, the millennial left doesn't vote based on skin color but on policy and energy. Whoever can keep them [[us) involved and champion the policies they [[we) care about is who Whitmer needs to pick.

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Rightly, wrongly, or somewhere in between -- Whitmer's association with Jennifer Granholm is also the kiss of death for her general election campaign. Most mainstream voters haven't forgotten how bad things got around here during the lost decade and will not be so quick to change the current course as it might seem [[to some at least). Therefore we have a question of the lesser of two evils...

Blaming Granholm for Michigan's economy when the entire nation was suffering is like crediting Giuliani for reducing crime in New York when it was a nationwide trend.

Sure, people do it all the time, but that doesn't make it correct.

I don't have to tell you Michigan is especially susceptible to downturns due to our overdependence on the auto industry. When the nation coughs the auto industry catches a flu. Carmakers must plan years out and stockpile inventory, then when a recession hits they can't sell.

Look what was happening across the entire country during her time as governor from 2003 - 2011. This charts the change in our GDP:



I also don't have to tell you related to the same factors already mentioned when the economy improves the carmakers are slower to recover as well.

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But had that old white man been Bernie Sanders or Joe Biden [[impossible I know) I gotta think they would have gotten her more votes than Kaine. Tim Kaine was basically unknown on the national stage and added no fire to the ticket. Abdul is known now and has the followers Whitmer needs to keep involved going into the general.

My point being, the millennial left doesn't vote based on skin color but on policy and energy. Whoever can keep them [[us) involved and champion the policies they [[we) care about is who Whitmer needs to pick.

I agree. I hope Whitmer picks someone who will energize younger voters. Not just to improve Whitmer's chances, but Stabenow's as well.

I'll bet 99% of the people who say a guy named Abdul can't get elected said the same thing about Barack Obama.

I'm not suggesting El-Sayed should be the running mate, but it wouldn't be a bad choice. I'd vote for that ticket.

Of course I'd vote for the most likely candidate to defeat Shuette in any case.

[Towne Cluber]

Bust,

Which did more for Detroit...bankruptcy or “Cool Cities”? Which did more for the state...policies that fostered a better business climate or $500m to the movie industry?

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Bust,

Which did more for Detroit...bankruptcy or “Cool Cities”? Which did more for the state...policies that fostered a better business climate or $500m to the movie industry?

Bankruptcy was no doubt essential to Detroit's recovery. It couldn't happen until that. Obama's auto industry bailout was essential too.

My point is the "lost decade" wasn't Granholm's fault. Nor was the national recession, the housing market and banking collapse, our over-dependence on the auto industry, nor its particular susceptibility to economic downturns.

I didn't say it, but it's just as true: Detroit, the auto industry, and Michigan at large are doing better now in large part because the national economy has seen 10 years of unprecedented growth. I'm not sure what credit Snyder deserves for that, but it's very small. He deserves credit for this though: he defended the auto industry bailout when practically every national republican was against it.

[Cincinnati_Kid]

Bankruptcy was no doubt essential to Detroit's recovery. It couldn't happen until that. Obama's auto industry bailout was essential too.

My point is the "lost decade" wasn't Granholm's fault. Nor was the national recession, the housing market and banking collapse, our over-dependence on the auto industry, nor its particular susceptibility to economic downturns.

I didn't say it, but it's just as true: Detroit, the auto industry, and Michigan at large are doing better now in large part because the national economy has seen 10 years of unprecedented growth. I'm not sure what credit Snyder deserves for that, but it's very small. He deserves credit for this though: he defended the auto industry bailout when practically every national republican was against it.

Snyder doesn't deserve any more credit than Trump does. The economy was eventually going to repair itself anyway. it always has. No policies that Trump made, are a direct correlation to the economy improving. The economy and the stock market were rising, during Obama's last days in office. The new tax laws are ok for now, but 5-10 years down the road, they'll come back to bite us in the ass, by adding trillions more to the deficit. That's a fallacy, one of many that he more than takes credit for.

[O3H]

Our economy is in the toilet --- because we neglected infrastructure.
Pay and pay we will for the immense neglect and apathy.

[Bham1982]

With all due respect, that's a horrible idea. It is essentially what Hillary did and you see what that got her. She couldn't carry traditionally blue states that all voted twice for a guy named Barack Hussein Obama.

Hillary got 3 million more votes than Dotard, and there are millions of Americans who would never vote for Obama based on his name/ethnic background. Hillary didn't lose because of her VP candidate.

Trump won because of incredible luck, winning a few thousand votes in Rust Belt states, and obviously the Russian interference and Comey's fake "October surprise" which pollsters estimate eroded 2% of Hillary's support.

[Bham1982]

But had that old white man been Bernie Sanders or Joe Biden [[impossible I know) I gotta think they would have gotten her more votes than Kaine.

It's true that Hillary was a very flawed candidate, cynical, too old and with no charisma [[though I think she would have been an excellent Prez). The problem is that millennials are too young to remember the B. Clinton years, which were the most prosperous in modern American history. All they know about the Clintons is the 20 years of fake "investigations" by the right.

Yes, if Bernie were VP, Clinton would have gotten more millennial votes. But she would have lost the white college educated affluent vote. Hillary performed better among college educated whites than any Democrat Presidential candidate in modern American history. She won college educated whites by 17% over Trump.

And IMO Bernie is a very dangerous candidate. He's very much a populist like Trump, just on the Left. Populism, throughout history, always ends in disaster, whether Left or Right. The Trump era will end in disaster, and I think Sanders would be almost as dangerous.

At least Sanders is an honest and decent man, and won't be out conspiring with Russians, mass-assaulting women, or demonizing immigrants and minorities. But his reliance on populist sloganeering over facts and data is extremely dangerous.

[O3H]

We need more political parties, more choices.
This 2 party nonsense is foolishness.

[iheartthed]

Hillary got 3 million more votes than Dotard, and there are millions of Americans who would never vote for Obama based on his name/ethnic background. Hillary didn't lose because of her VP candidate.

Trump won because of incredible luck, winning a few thousand votes in Rust Belt states, and obviously the Russian interference and Comey's fake "October surprise" which pollsters estimate eroded 2% of Hillary's support.

She didn't lose because of him, but she didn't win for making a safe choice that was meant to appeal in exactly the way you suggest Gretchen pick her running mate. And she lost a few states that a black guy with a funny name won in the two cycles preceding her run, one of those states being Michigan.

[softailrider]

Rightly, wrongly, or somewhere in between -- Whitmer's association with Jennifer Granholm is also the kiss of death for her general election campaign. Most mainstream voters haven't forgotten how bad things got around here during the lost decade and will not be so quick to change the current course as it might seem [[to some at least). Therefore we have a question of the lesser of two evils...

Can’t stand Schuette but Whitmer to me anyway comes across as a total phony. I guess I’ll hold my nose and vote for her, like I could not do for Hillary.

[ABetterDetroit]

Can’t stand Schuette but Whitmer to me anyway comes across as a total phony. I guess I’ll hold my nose and vote for her, like I could not do for Hillary.

Interesting. I get the same impression about Schuette being totally fake. I am intrigued about what Whitmer has to say In her campaign this fall.

In my view Michigan can’t really afford to be all about ‘with or against Trump’ in the gubernatorial election. The next 4 years are way to important for us to get all caught up in Trump bullshit. We need more substance than the nightly replay of the 2016 election that Fox News and CNN keep pressing the rewind button for like the movie Groundhog Day.

[Zacha341]

The announcement did not occur in Detroit, but in Lansing?

Comments? Thoughts, Ideas?

https://www.freep.com/story/news/pol...te/1040401002/

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/ne...ce/1038297002/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-c7Kgm4kE4c

[Colombian Dan]

This is Jenny Granholm part III..... a bonus thought... The Republicans will keep the US House and Senate in November, and Trump gets re-elected in 2020... just sayin....

[dtowncitylover]

Excited to vote for them in November!

[SammyS]

Leftist progressive with socialist ties to Soros and Sanders? No fucking thanks. Detroit needs the exact opposite or we quickly regress back into the 50 year downward spiral.

[Bham1982]

Leftist progressive with socialist ties to Soros and Sanders? No fucking thanks. Detroit needs the exact opposite or we quickly regress back into the 50 year downward spiral.

How is he "leftist", how can someone have "socialist ties" to people who aren't remotely socialist, and what does Detroit's previous downward spiral have to do with the upcoming Michigan governorship?

I'm convinced people just parrot whatever Sean Hannity or Infowars tells them. Soros is a billionaire hypercapitalist. Self-made Wall Street tycoon. He's like the polar opposite of socialist. And I doubt he has even heard of Garlin Cilchrist [[or Whitmer, for that matter).

[dtowncitylover]

Leftist progressive with socialist ties to Soros and Sanders?

'Bout time.

LOLZ @ Soros. Any time they can bring up Soros the RW media will. They love to bash wealthy liberals.

Soros>Koch

Do I have ties to LBP because I used to work for Oakland County?

[Colombian Dan]

Those that seek a Socialist paradise should take a trip to Venezuela. The Democrats are once again making a fatal mistake by embracing and promoting "Progressive" ideas... veiled as Socialism to promote their candidates. Poverty is big business, especially in Detroit. Liberals have a vested interested to keep the pipeline of government programs..aka money to keep flowing.. By the way, the best solution to poverty is a job.

[dtowncitylover]

Those that seek a Socialist paradise should take a trip to Venezuela. The Democrats are once again making a fatal mistake by embracing and promoting "Progressive" ideas... veiled as Socialism to promote their candidates. Poverty is big business, especially in Detroit. Liberals have a vested interested to keep the pipeline of government programs..aka money to keep flowing.. By the way, the best solution to poverty is a job.

Aka "I love to oversimplify complex problems so I can pander to Trumpists!"

Also, Whitmer's father was CEO of BCBS Michigan. Grew up in wealthy suburban Grand Rapids. She isn't this entrenched Ann Arbor Soros Marxist hippie. But please, go on about "socialism".

[Bham1982]

Those that seek a Socialist paradise should take a trip to Venezuela.

Why no mention of actual social welfare states? Denmark? Germany? Sweden?

Venezuela has almost no social welfare state at this point. It's led by a lying, racist, populist buffoon of a leader, though; one who should be very familiar to Americans...

[dtowncitylover]

Why no mention of actual social welfare states? Denmark? Germany? Sweden?

Nevermind those states are also committed to capitalism at the same time.

[Colombian Dan]

Why no mention of actual social welfare states? Denmark? Germany? Sweden?

Venezuela has almost no social welfare state at this point. It's led by a lying, racist, populist buffoon of a leader, though; one who should be very familiar to Americans...

Amazing that 52 million tourists visit the USA yearly... and millions enter America illegally every year regardless of the fact Trump is president. No other country in the world is as popular or loved as is the USA. The Dems keep bashing the USA thinking they will gain votes... keep pounding that sand.....

[dtowncitylover]

Amazing that 52 million tourists visit the USA yearly... and millions enter America illegally every year regardless of the fact Trump is president. No other country in the world is as popular or loved as is the USA. The Dems keep bashing the USA thinking they will gain votes... keep pounding that sand.....

Tourism has nothing to do with anything. I have the same enthusiasm to visit the Grand Canyon as I do with Copenhagen or Stockholm. All three seem like amazing places to visit. And...?

And illegal border crossings have been going down for years now.

No, the Dems are trying to save the USA from nationalism, protectionism, and Trumpism.

The USA is indeed loved. Our government is not.