Ilitch/Tigers Support for Big Three with CF Ads

**Beech Cricker** · April-05-09, 07:41 AM

See this piece from today's Freep:

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a...=2009904050437

I am by no means a fan of Mike Ilitch but I thought the decision to display Big Three ads in centerfield free of charge is a good, positive move on the part of him and the Tigers organization. And I want to believe Ilitch was truly "embarrassed by the attention" created by this decision. Then I read it will say "The Detroit Tigers support our automakers" beneath the ads. This makes it sound like the Big Three are nothing but a charity case and also a self-serving/self-advertising move on the part of the Tigers. Am I being too harsh?

**401don** · April-05-09, 08:08 AM

You may be a little harsh. It's still more of a plus than a negative but I do agree it would have been better to leave the line out because it does underscore to anyone out of state or seeing it on tv that it's not a paid ad. We may be more sensitive to these things however as, unfortunately, a lot of people aren't even paying attention to the Big 3 let alone reading into the ads. The sickening part to me is the overly sappy article by Mr. Sappy, Mitch Albom. Can't believe I used to like reading that guy - many yrs ago.

**Olddetroiter** · April-05-09, 08:44 AM

I think this was a class act, but I'm wondering if it might backfire. How many people who don't know Mr. Illitch provided the advertising for free will castigate the Big 3 for 'expensive advertising' when they are in such financial straights.

lilpup · April-06-09, 01:19 AM

Originally Posted by Olddetroiter

I think this was a class act, but I'm wondering if it might backfire. How many people who don't know Mr. Illitch provided the advertising for free will castigate the Big 3 for 'expensive advertising' when they are in such financial straights.

I don't anticipate that being an issue. Advertising is a business expense and it's not as if these are overpriced Super bowl ads.

I also like the idea of locally based businesses visibly supporting each other [[and thought Ford lighting their HQ to recognize GM's 100th was especially way cool).

**Hornist9** · April-06-09, 11:00 AM

I just thought it was a class act by Mr. Illitch, and nothing more. Why is it that someone has got to think the man has ulterior motives. From reading the article, he spoke about his father working for Ford's, and how it put food on the table at his parents home. I feel pretty much the same way, as my father was an experimental gear cutter at Hydramatic. Dad was a great supporter of GM, he wouldn't think of owning anything but a GM product.

in my opinion, we in the Detroit area don't need anymore Senator Shelbys and Corkers that all they can speak of is negative. These companies HAVE got to survive for the sake of the entire region.

**GREENTROIT** · April-07-09, 11:52 AM

Whoa. Only 5 posts. If this were an Ilitch bashing thread there wouldn't be enough space.

**MrNittany** · August-31-09, 10:22 AM

Bumping this ......... I was at Comerica Park this weekend [[for the first time since 2006, living out of town) and noticed this. It's a nice touch.

**1KielsonDrive** · September-01-09, 12:42 AM

I'm with Oneway on this one. I don't believe Illitch's have a charitable or philanthropic bone in their bodies. If they're's so concerned, there are scores of ways for them to put their money where their mouths are - something that might actually cost time and money. I still remember Denise Illitch saying in an interview back in the 90's, that the Illitch's had a fund to assist small businesses in the Grand Circus Park area. This was in the run-up to the august vote to approve taxpayer/city/county/state funding of the new ballparks. It was a sales pitch designed to make them look like they were really concerned about Detroit. I made a note to remember it because it was so far fetched and unlike the Illitch's. Needless to say, Illitch's's have never assisted a business in the area that I'm aware of. Also, I'd like someone to name an Illitch philanthropic or charitable project. I'm not saying they do nothing, I'm saying, in relative terms, they do very little. And even if they did considerable good, it's completely offset by their destructiveness.

**GREENTROIT** · September-02-09, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by 1KielsonDrive

I'm with Oneway on this one. I don't believe Illitch's have a charitable or philanthropic bone in their bodies.

The fountain is prime advertising space. GM told Illitch they couldn't afford it. Illitch had offers from unnamed companies willing to pay more than what GM was paying. Illitch decided to give the most prime advertising space in the park [[besides behind home plate) to GM, Ford, and Chrysler free of charge.

If it was a "savvy business move," Illitch would have accepted the $2M from whatever company wanted the space, and that would be that. This wasn't a savvy business move, it was an act of solidarity from one major part of daily life in Detroit to another. Sort of like "we're all in this together, and we support you." Which is exactly what the sign says under the three ads. Geez the negativity on this board can turn even the simplest of things into a conspiracy....

**BVos** · September-01-09, 02:59 PM

As someone who knows a few of the Illitches, I will say that they're chiefly business people and about the profits of their companies, but they're not heartless Scrooges by any means. So rehabbing buildings that make no sense financially, you won't see much of that with the Illitches.

But they do quietly give lots of money to local charities through their multitude of companies as well as through their charitable foundation. Will you see a front page press release on them giving away money? Never. They quietly give away a lot of money in this community to organizations that they are impressed with after following them for several years. It's something they feel people in their position should do because it's their responsibility as members of the community, not as a PR stunt or to attract more attention to their companies.

**vetalalumni** · September-01-09, 03:20 PM

Originally Posted by BVos

As someone who knows a few of the Illitches, I will say that they're chiefly business people and about the profits of their companies, but they're not heartless Scrooges by any means. So rehabbing buildings that make no sense financially, you won't see much of that with the Illitches.

But they do quietly give lots of money to local charities through their multitude of companies as well as through their charitable foundation. Will you see a front page press release on them giving away money? Never. They quietly give away a lot of money in this community to organizations that they are impressed with after following them for several years. It's something they feel people in their position should do because it's their responsibility as members of the community, not as a PR stunt or to attract more attention to their companies.

Again, this would certainly make business sense. And of course, they may collect any of those nice incentivizing tax benefits associated with charitable donations

. This is how we do...

**BVos** · September-01-09, 03:10 PM

Forgot to add [[no pun intended) that Mike's intentions are probably not entirely charitable with the fountain and ads. Remember the Big 3 are some of the largest purchasers of advertising in the world, even in this economy. "You scratch my back in these times and I'll scratch yours when I get back on my feet."

**1KielsonDrive** · September-01-09, 11:33 PM

Bvos, thanks for your post. I appreciate that you defend your friends and business associates. I also know a few of the Illitches [[not well by any means) and have for quite a few years. That doesn't explain what their charities are and what they do. If you have knowledge of the names, purposes and goals [[vision statements) of their charitable organizations, the amounts they've donated or gifted, it would help to make your point. And, I might be persuaded to think differently of the Illitches. So far, even people I know who are fairly high up in the Illitch Organizations haven't been able to fully explain what their charitible activities are and what the amounts are. This isn't a matter of the Illitches holding it close to their chests out of modesty. It's a matter of whether they actually do something to give back. I'm not making a case for Art Van, Karmanos or the Manoogians, but they've funded major charities in the area. What comparable philanthropy have the Illitches built or funded? I'd imagine if they are actually doing something, even secretively, it would get out to the public somehow. No signs of it yet.

**Detroitej72** · September-02-09, 01:40 PM

Originally Posted by 1KielsonDrive

That doesn't explain what their charities are and what they do. If you have knowledge of the names, purposes and goals [[vision statements) of their charitable organizations, the amounts they've donated or gifted, it would help to make your point. And, I might be persuaded to think differently of the Illitches.

Here you go: http://www.ilitchcharities.org/

**1KielsonDrive** · September-01-09, 11:49 PM

Bvos, another thought : not every building and structure is meant to be rehabbed. By the same token, not every building is a bottom line, immediate, financial decison to be demolished. Yes, I know we have an over abundance of vacant buildings in Detroit. The Madison Lennox is a good example of a building that even a lot of business people thought to be a great subject for a rehab. If the Illitches hadn't owned it, it more than likely would've become a boutique hotel or some other use. Even the DAC, not a very likely institution to speak out against any business, much less a member's business, endorsed the rehab of the ML. The Super Dooper Pooper Bowl would've been the perfect opportunity. I saw the tinker toy facade of the Fine Arts building last week. What a farce! What's the purpose? Is that erector set sitting there better for downtown than the Fine Arts building, vacant or not? Personally, I think the Illitches have demonstrated no vision for Detroit other than successful sports teams. That's not bad- it's certainly a boon economically, but true vision goes far beyond hockey and baseball. I'll also never forgive them Tiger Stadium. If they didn't want it, the least they could've done was to reject the money they took for years under the pretense of securing and safeguarding it.

**Gistok** · September-02-09, 01:40 AM

Isn't there a hospice south of the DMC [[in Brush Park area?) named after Marion Ilitch's parents? I somehow remember them involved with that project.

1kielsondrive, yes there's plenty to be angry with them over. And then once in a while they do a nice gesture, such as the signage at Comerica Park.

They also saved Masonic Temple from certain closure by paying their enormous DTE bills. But the flip side of that one is that the got the booking rights for the 4,404 seat Masonic and 1,585 seat Scottish Rite Theatres.

**1KielsonDrive** · September-05-09, 01:08 AM

I think for someone of Illitch's wealth, stature and supposed status in the Detroit, Michigan and national communities, this is pretty meager. Thanks for posting it Detroitej72.

**1KielsonDrive** · September-05-09, 01:17 AM

GREENTROIT, yes the negativity here can be pretty bad, but it's not in the opinions that are expressed, it's in the way they are expressed. I have no problem, nor should I, expressing an opinion of agreement or a contrarion opinion. It's not negative to disagree with you or you to disagree with me. There's the problem : someone gets upset because someone else doesn't agree with them.