Detroit to ditch Columbus Day for Indigenous Peoples Day

[canuck]

That's for damn sure. Nobody cares about Indians on a daily basis. Then, someone throws a monkey wrench in the machine and screws with the standard textbook story we are supposed to love.

If ten white baseball players with regular names start kneeling before the game, then, it might become the new stand up and salute the flag. If you start with the wrong mix of spicky names or challenged complexions doing da same genuflexion sign of respect, of delayed and somewhat diluted deference and what do you get; spite.

[O3H]

No one taught me in 12 years of public school
about Indians forging the paths/roads/highways of Michigan

http://geo.msu.edu/extra/geogmich/indian_trails.html

[Gistok]

While we're at it let's get rid of July and August as well.... Julius Caesar killed over a million Gauls [[today France) and sold another million into slavery and destroyed over 800 towns... and ditto for all the atrocities that his grand nephew Augustus Caesar committed [[including ordering the murder of Julius and Cleopatra's young son).

History has always been bloody.... where will this "cleansing" and political correctness all end?

And who decided that the Venerable Bede's method for dates... BC and AD needed to be changed to BCE and CE after over 1200 years? Was I on vacation when that was announced? Did anyone even get asked?

[O3H]

...and someone killed/f'd/raped someone in Australia .....
Can we stick with Detroit and Michigan, is that too much to ask ?

[archfan]

...and someone killed/f'd/raped

That's not how you play that game.

[SyGolden48236]

If you don't celebrate it then why do you care?

If you're not an Indian then why do you care about what Columbus allegedly did 525 years ago?

Those who erase their history are doomed to repeat it.

[SyGolden48236]

Nobody really cares about the Indian population on a day to day basis but want one day to make themselves feel better?

Exactly. This is just the latest example of delicate snowflakes latching onto the fad of the moment in order to feel like they're doing something. After all, feelings are more important than facts.

Somebody told them they need to be offended by something so they throw tantrums and demand that statues be torn down, holidays be erased, and safe spaces be established so that their fragile emotions aren't assaulted by opinions that differ from the ones that they were told it is cool to have.

This is what happens when a generation is raised on participation trophies.

[Zads07]

Exactly. This is just the latest example of delicate snowflakes latching onto the fad of the moment in order to feel like they're doing something. After all, feelings are more important than facts.

Somebody told them they need to be offended by something so they throw tantrums and demand that statues be torn down, holidays be erased, and safe spaces be established so that their fragile emotions aren't assaulted by opinions that differ from the ones that they were told it is cool to have.

This is what happens when a generation is raised on participation trophies.

This is the mentality old people get when they don't understand history.

[SyGolden48236]

This is the mentality old people get when they don't understand history.

We understand history very well. What we don't go in for is re-writing history to suit the latest fad.

[southen]

We understand history very well. What we don't go in for is re-writing history to suit the latest fad.

Nobody is rewriting anything. The book on Columbus has been written, it just isn't taught. Also, the removal of a statue is not rewriting anything, it is choosing not to glorify a man who committed atrocities. Nobody is preventing you form learning about Columbus or celebrating him. Keep up.

[Richard]

Then there is the whole changing of newborn status from male and female to gender neutral until they are old enough to decide.

We are kinda democratic based on majority rule.

What would be wrong with adding an additional day like St. Patrick's day with parades etc to educate and bring awareness.

There is no looking for middle ground,I do not like this therefore it needs to be changed.

[bust]

...delicate snowflakes... feelings are more important than facts. ...they throw tantrums... so that their fragile emotions aren't assaulted by opinions that differ.

What we don't go in for is re-writing history...

Those who erase their history are doomed to repeat it.

Textbook example of psychological projection.

[iheartthed]

If you're not an Indian then why do you care about what Columbus allegedly did 525 years ago?

He didn't allegedly do these things. This is part of the historical record. It's no more "alleged" that he contributed natives the destruction of native civilizations than it is that he "alleged" to have visited land masses in North America [[he never set foot on the mainland).

In short order, Columbus established the first American colony at La Isabela, on the north coast of Hispaniola, in 1494. After a brief period of coexistence, relations between the newcomers and natives deteriorated. Spaniards removed men from villages to work in gold mines and colonial plantations. This kept the Taíno from planting the crops that had fed them for centuries. They began to starve; many thousands fell prey to smallpox, measles and other European diseases for which they had no immunity; some committed suicide to avoid subjugation; hundreds fell in fighting with the Spaniards, while untold numbers fled to remote regions beyond colonial control. In time, many Taíno women married conquistadors, combining the genes of the New World and Old World to create a new mestizo population, which took on Creole characteristics with the arrival of African slaves in the 16th century. By 1514, barely two decades after first contact, an official survey showed that 40 percent of Spanish men had taken Indian wives. The unofficial number is undoubtedly higher.

“Very few Indians were left after 50 years,” said Ricardo Alegría, a Puerto Rican historian and anthropologist I interviewed before his death this past July. He had combed through Spanish archives to track the eclipse of the Taíno. “Their culture was interrupted by disease, marriage with Spanish and Africans, and so forth, but the main reason the Indians were exterminated as a group was sickness,” he told me. He ran through the figures from his native island: “By 1519, a third of the aboriginal population had died because of smallpox. You find documents very soon after that, in the 1530s, in which the question came from Spain to the governor. ‘How many Indians are there? Who are the chiefs?’ The answer was none. They are gone.” Alegría paused before adding: “Some remained probably...but it was not that many.”

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Those who erase their history are doomed to repeat it.

That is not what the quote says. There is also a huge difference between erasing history and not dedicating monuments and holidays to people who subjugated groups of people and destroyed civilizations.

[Zads07]

Nobody is rewriting anything. The book on Columbus has been written, it just isn't taught. Also, the removal of a statue is not rewriting anything, it is choosing not to glorify a man who committed atrocities. Nobody is preventing you form learning about Columbus or celebrating him. Keep up.

Couldn't have said it better. I wish more people understood this about all the statues of Confederate generals, etc.

[SyGolden48236]

There is also a huge difference between erasing history and not dedicating monuments and holidays to people who subjugated groups of people and destroyed civilizations.

And the SJW band played on. And on. And on. And on.

You act like the Indians were such peaceful gentle folks and everything was just swell until the Europeans arrived. The various Indian tribes were frequently at war with one another and various factions wiped out other groups without any help from those evil Europeans. Columbus arrived more than half a millennium ago. Get over it.

[iheartthed]

And the SJW band played on. And on. And on. And on.

You act like the Indians were such peaceful gentle folks and everything was just swell until the Europeans arrived. The various Indian tribes were frequently at war with one another and various factions wiped out other groups without any help from those evil Europeans. Columbus arrived more than half a millennium ago. Get over it.

We don't have holidays celebrating murderers who were indigenous. We do have holidays celebrating Europeans who were murderers. Let's fix the problem we do have and not red herring the one we don't.

[bust]

In any case Columbus Day and Thanksgiving provide good reasons to discuss American history a couple times a year. And to expand upon the simplified whitewashed version traditionally taught in school. Keep on talking.

[Richard]

Nobody is rewriting anything. The book on Columbus has been written, it just isn't taught. Also, the removal of a statue is not rewriting anything, it is choosing not to glorify a man who committed atrocities. Nobody is preventing you form learning about Columbus or celebrating him. Keep up.

Keyword being Choose.

You are deciding what others choose to glorify based on your personal values and beliefs.

Varies religions glorify inate objects and their histories are not exactly stellar either,what offends you may not offend someone else but because you are offended it needs to be changed,want to recognize a diverse country but those with diversity cannot have different views then me.

Useing the word you in a general scope and not you in particular.

[SyGolden48236]

Let's fix the problem we do have and not red herring the one we don't.

The "we" is only a small fringe bunch of malcontent SJWs who demand diversity as long as there are no viewpoints different than theirs. Such hypocrisy!

[iheartthed]

The "we" is only a small fringe bunch of malcontent SJWs who demand diversity as long as there are no viewpoints different than theirs. Such hypocrisy!

Good to know.

[Richard]

Meh,I think it is Eve's fault she is the one that got everybody started out on the wrong foot and introduced the violence in the world.

Entire wars were fought over a woman and a apple.

[Jimaz]

Columbus, The Indians, and Human Progress, by Howard Zinn

[Wesley Mouch]

And the SJW band played on. And on. And on. And on.

You act like the Indians were such peaceful gentle folks and everything was just swell until the Europeans arrived. The various Indian tribes were frequently at war with one another and various factions wiped out other groups without any help from those evil Europeans. Columbus arrived more than half a millennium ago. Get over it.

"Four legs good, two legs bad."

Hey Canadians, did you hear the one about the major urban school district that has eliminated the word Chief from job titles in an attempt to prevent hurt feelings?

[clubboss]

Columbus, The Indians, and Human Progress, by Howard Zinn

I'm a fan of ZInn's - A People's History

[313WX]

I'm in complete agreement with SyGolden here.

I don't have an issue with Columbus Day one way or another, but I absolutely think all of this outrage over [[in the grand scheme of things) trivial things is beyond ridiculous. If all of this energy was directed towards addressing issues that are actually hurting people, such as wage stagnation, rapidly rising college / health care costs, abuse of slave labor by corporations, etc., the world would be much better off.