Detroit to ditch Columbus Day for Indigenous Peoples Day

**xrockerboy** · October-12-17, 07:47 PM

DETROIT - Michigan's biggest city is following the lead of several others by replacing Columbus Day with Indigenous Peoples Day.

Detroit City Council unanimously approved the proposal on Tuesday, Oct. 10, following in the footsteps of Michigan cities like Ann Arbor, East Lansing and Ypsilanti, among others.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/article...lumbus_day.amp

**Bong-Man** · October-12-17, 08:02 PM

All for it. If you missed it along the way, give the book "1491" a read. Tells the true story of man's history in North & South America.

Here's one for Richard....http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41567391

He might not sleep tonight when he finds out those Vikings that landed in Greenland before Columbus may have been Muslims.

**Junjie** · October-13-17, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by Bong-Man

All for it. If you missed it along the way, give the book "1491" a read. Tells the true story of man's history in North & South America.

Agreed, that is a fantastic book.

As to the day, fine with me. And if Michigan and Detroit want to honor European explorers, it should really be a "voyageurs day" anyway.

**Lowell** · October-13-17, 09:31 AM

Makes sense to me. The ancestors of our indigenous people were the first to "discover" America, the first to settle on the shores of the Straits of Detroit and more.

**DetroiterOnTheWestCoast** · October-13-17, 10:56 AM

I was recently in Lisbon, and went to the Maritime Musuem. While the museum naturally focuses on Portugal's history of exploration, they no longer refer to having "discovered" lands since people were already there. They now refer to when the explorers first arrived. I found it quite refreshing that they were able to take a less Euro-biased approach to their history. Saying that Columbus or any European "discovered" lands where people were living is a means to subtly dehumanize the indigenous people, and elevate the status of Europeans.

**aj3647** · October-13-17, 11:49 AM

Columbus never even set foot on what would later become the United States of America. He "discovered" modern day Haiti and the Dominican Republic. Besides, the Vikings set foot on North America centuries before Columbus reached Hispaniola.

The only reason that we celebrate Columbus Day at all is because the Knights of Columbus and prominent Italian-American individuals and organizations in the early 20th century wanted their own version of St. Patrick's Day to honor Italian culture and heritage. And they lobbied Congress to get it.

**SyGolden48236** · October-13-17, 12:20 PM

Originally Posted by aj3647

The only reason that we celebrate Columbus Day at all is because the Knights of Columbus and prominent Italian-American individuals and organizations in the early 20th century wanted their own version of St. Patrick's Day to honor Italian culture and heritage. And they lobbied Congress to get it.

If this is true then when is there so much uproar from the left about Columbus Day? It is because the left is prejudiced against Italians?

This whole issue is utter nonsense. Just create another holiday to celebrate the Indians and their culture and leave the day honoring Italian culture alone.

Too many people these days aren't happy unless they're offended or outraged about something. Offense is big business these days. Oy! Such foolishness!

**Zacha341** · October-13-17, 12:35 PM

Oh no! Yes, that consideration does seem to surface! Everyone is at each others throats now. A perfect flux for the bigger/ broader take over.

Originally Posted by SyGolden48236

.... It is because the left is prejudiced against Italians?

**Danny** · October-13-17, 12:42 PM

I am just going to say Happy Leif Ericcson Day!!!

**iheartthed** · October-13-17, 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by SyGolden48236

If this is true then when is there so much uproar from the left about Columbus Day? It is because the left is prejudiced against Italians?

This whole issue is utter nonsense. Just create another holiday to celebrate the Indians and their culture and leave the day honoring Italian culture alone.

Too many people these days aren't happy unless they're offended or outraged about something. Offense is big business these days. Oy! Such foolishness!

Or create a day to celebrate Italian heritage and not celebrate someone who helped destroy indigenous American civilizations.

**aj3647** · October-13-17, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by SyGolden48236

If this is true then when is there so much uproar from the left about Columbus Day? It is because the left is prejudiced against Italians?

If somebody wanted to celebrate a Benito Mussolini Day, and I objected to that idea, would I be prejudiced against Italians?

Actually I shouldn't assume that you and the other Righties here would be opposed to a Benito Mussolini Day, you might actually support that idea.

**SyGolden48236** · October-13-17, 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by aj3647

If somebody wanted to celebrate a Benito Mussolini Day, and I objected to that idea, would I be prejudiced against Italians?

Actually I shouldn't assume that you and the other Righties here would be opposed to a Benito Mussolini Day, you might actually support that idea.

You're so cute with your "grievance du jour". You yourself said that Columbus never set foot on what would become the U.S.A. What do you have against him anyway?

Columbus' voyage was 525 years ago. Get over it. This latest "outrage" is a manufactured resentment and too many people are going along with it because in their shallow lives they need to be a part of the latest fad or they feel left out.

And you're also following the SJW textbook to the letter by suggesting that anyone with a different opinion that yours is a fascist, Nazi, or whatever the buzzword of the day is. It is so predictable and very cliche'.

**DetroiterOnTheWestCoast** · October-13-17, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by SyGolden48236

If this is true then when is there so much uproar from the left about Columbus Day? It is because the left is prejudiced against Italians?

This whole issue is utter nonsense. Just create another holiday to celebrate the Indians and their culture and leave the day honoring Italian culture alone.

Too many people these days aren't happy unless they're offended or outraged about something. Offense is big business these days. Oy! Such foolishness!

. The biggest group with conjured up offense are the folks who have imagined a "war on Christmas." It's getting to be that time of year for everyone at Fox News to get their panties in a twist over that. I see that Drumpf was stirring that pot today.

**SyGolden48236** · October-13-17, 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by DetroiterOnTheWestCoast

. The biggest group with conjured up offense are the folks who have imagined a "war on Christmas." It's getting to be that time of year for everyone at Fox News to get their panties in a twist over that. I see that Drumpf was stirring that pot today.

War on Christmas? Nonsense! I do not celebrate Christmas and I am not the least bit offended when someone says Merry Christmas to me even though I celebrate Chanukah. I take it as that person giving me well wishes. Likewise, I frequently say Merry Christmas to my Christian friends and associates.

I do not take offence to seeing Christmas decorations in stores, schools, offices or people's homes. Different people may celebrate holidays of their choosing. Just like Columbus Day should not be erased.

**bust** · October-13-17, 04:26 PM

Originally Posted by SyGolden48236

If this is true then when is there so much uproar from the left about Columbus Day? It is because the left is prejudiced against Italians?

This whole issue is utter nonsense. Just create another holiday to celebrate the Indians and their culture and leave the day honoring Italian culture alone.

Too many people these days aren't happy unless they're offended or outraged about something. Offense is big business these days. Oy! Such foolishness!

You might be surprised to learn there are plenty of people of Italian descent, myself included, who would much rather celebrate Italian culture than one equally accomplished and despicable man who happens to have been Italian. And it doesn't even have to be a holiday. What other ethnic group has a national holiday? How about just a parade?

The ones throwing tantrums are those who refuse face the reality of our history. And for that matter the reality of science. The reality of economics. The reality of international relations... Reality in general. And yes, Trump tapped into their anguish as they fade into passing in order to get elected.

I hope I'm not being too optimistic about that fading into passing bit, but I don't think so.

**iheartthed** · October-13-17, 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by aj3647

Columbus never even set foot on what would later become the United States of America. He "discovered" modern day Haiti and the Dominican Republic. Besides, the Vikings set foot on North America centuries before Columbus reached Hispaniola.

Well, Columbus did visit Puerto Rico, so he did visit at least one place that would eventually become the United States of America. But correct, he never set foot on the North American mainland. Nor did he ever realize that he was not in Asia...

**canuck** · October-13-17, 03:29 PM

There should be an Ingenuous and a Disingenuous day.

**Richard** · October-13-17, 06:00 PM

So what is Spain going to do now? They celebrate Columbus Day.

If you did not know if something exists and you find it what did you do?

To Spain it was a discovery,to the ones being discovered it was an invasion.

It is a good thing Americans never killed Indians,is there a general Custer statue in Monroe Michigan,why have a statue to celebrate the killing of the Indians,they did not bow to our demands so we waged war on them,any similarities there?

Nobody really cares about the Indian population on a day to day basis but want one day to make themselves feel better?

**SyGolden48236** · October-14-17, 06:20 AM

Originally Posted by Richard

Nobody really cares about the Indian population on a day to day basis but want one day to make themselves feel better?

Exactly. This is just the latest example of delicate snowflakes latching onto the fad of the moment in order to feel like they're doing something. After all, feelings are more important than facts.

Somebody told them they need to be offended by something so they throw tantrums and demand that statues be torn down, holidays be erased, and safe spaces be established so that their fragile emotions aren't assaulted by opinions that differ from the ones that they were told it is cool to have.

This is what happens when a generation is raised on participation trophies.

**Zads07** · October-14-17, 09:18 AM

Originally Posted by SyGolden48236

Exactly. This is just the latest example of delicate snowflakes latching onto the fad of the moment in order to feel like they're doing something. After all, feelings are more important than facts.

Somebody told them they need to be offended by something so they throw tantrums and demand that statues be torn down, holidays be erased, and safe spaces be established so that their fragile emotions aren't assaulted by opinions that differ from the ones that they were told it is cool to have.

This is what happens when a generation is raised on participation trophies.

This is the mentality old people get when they don't understand history.

**SyGolden48236** · October-14-17, 09:20 AM

Originally Posted by Zads07

This is the mentality old people get when they don't understand history.

We understand history very well. What we don't go in for is re-writing history to suit the latest fad.

**southen** · October-14-17, 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by SyGolden48236

We understand history very well. What we don't go in for is re-writing history to suit the latest fad.

Nobody is rewriting anything. The book on Columbus has been written, it just isn't taught. Also, the removal of a statue is not rewriting anything, it is choosing not to glorify a man who committed atrocities. Nobody is preventing you form learning about Columbus or celebrating him. Keep up.

**bust** · October-14-17, 10:54 AM

Originally Posted by SyGolden48236

...delicate snowflakes... feelings are more important than facts. ...they throw tantrums... so that their fragile emotions aren't assaulted by opinions that differ.

Originally Posted by SyGolden48236

What we don't go in for is re-writing history...

Originally Posted by SyGolden48236

Those who erase their history are doomed to repeat it.

Textbook example of psychological projection.

**Pat001** · October-16-17, 02:17 PM

The surest way for history to repeat itself is if people erase it.

NBA star Ray Allan visits Auschwitz

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/ra...auschwitz/amp/

**Honky Tonk** · October-16-17, 02:47 PM

Originally Posted by Pat001

The surest way for history to repeat itself is if people erase it.

NBA star Ray Allan visits Auschwitz

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/ra...auschwitz/amp/

Good post Pat001.