Welcome to Bernie/Independent/Third Party Land

[Honky Tonk]

"There ain't no such thing as a free lunch."

Author Unknown

[oladub]

“The lessons of history, show conclusively that continued dependency upon relief induces a spiritual and moral disintegration fundamentally destructive to the national fiber.” -FDR 1935

Since I never came across this quote before and it was too good to be true, I did a brief Google search to see if Snopes or someone called it a hoax. I couldn't find anything suggesting it was a hoax and the Wall Street Journal used this quote. Assuming the FDR quote is accurate, it is an profound inditement against today's Democratic Party which has since changed its course. Promised handouts to suburban college students have replaced jobs given their great grandfathers that built the Grand Coulee dam.

[canuck]

Well, if half of all your tax money goes turd the military and weapons of mass demolition, it dont leave much room fer band-aids and cough syrup.

[Pam]

Well, if half of all your tax money goes turd the military and weapons of mass demolition, it dont leave much room fer band-aids and cough syrup.

Yes, right now we are paying and getting nothing. It's not "free stuff" it's getting something back for your tax money.

[Zacha341]

Yes, that is an additional problem, not an either/ or. Additional.

And there are other siphoning pulling our taxes.

A sound military in case of need is one thing.

Going forward with choices made from the military industrial complex is something else. We see how things go out of hand with the last three presidents [[especially Bush) and yet there are those defending Trump at every turn re. our military.

Not me.

Well, if half of all your tax money goes turd the military and weapons of mass demolition, it dont leave much room fer band-aids and cough syrup.

[Richard]

Well, if half of all your tax money goes turd the military and weapons of mass demolition, it dont leave much room fer band-aids and cough syrup.

Pick up Canada and drop it in between Iran and Pakistan,can you protect yourself without calling for help?

The 3 military superpowers are the US,China and Russia [[Kinda)

It is easy for countries to tell the United States how to run thier countries military spending but when the SHTF who do they look to?

When you look at Asian and European countries they live in the real fear of how to protect themselves from aggression,you do not hear them trying to tell us how we should fund our military,Poland offered to build a billion dollar base for us to have more of a presence in thier country for the security.

What if we said , hey we will not help protect Canada anymore and will not intervene with our evil military so if anybody feels like they want it,have at it.

Who ya gonna call when Russia or China comes knocking,heck the French for that matter?

You guys cannot even feed you school children and your free health care is a mess no matter how many taxes you throw at it.

Show me one country with universal health care that does not cost the taxpayers billions with dismal results at best.

The US should follow suit by changing one screwed up system for another ?

I am sure the government is very capable of running a universal healthcare system in this country cough cough.

Also compare providing healthcare for 325 million verses all of the countries with 20 to 30 million citizens crammed into 6 sqft.

The logistics alone makes it not feasible.

[canuck]

The logistics of building and maintaining, manning and refurbishing 12 Nimitz class carriers, and dozens of nuke subs, and all the rest of it is a fairly easy task, I agree. It beats health care, and education.

As far as Canadian school children going hungry, I just want you to take a good look at the ton of desperate people in your country right now who have given up on hope because no matter how many meal tickets they use, their meager circumstances drive them to drug addiction and utter dereliction. If you nix the possibility of raising yourself or your kids out of misery, you begin to make self destructive choices. I think Canada has a lot less misery and violence because my peers have chosen a stronger system of care for the entire nation to profit by.

Canadian parents are superlatively apt at feeding their children because there is less of a strain on their finances from across the board social netting. The higher studies schools are cheap relative to the US, and with a flick of a card, you can access top notch care in some of the best hospitals in the world. None of this five thousand dollar catheter charge that the cynics have made you swally; hook line and sinker. Poor you.

Of course, if you look at it macchiavelically, it would be better for the powers that be in Canada to rely on a lot of poorer folk to be used as cannon fodder in the armed forces.

Look at Chump's boosting of the military budget as another little nudge to the swamp draining you seem to have forgotten about. Lol.

[Honky Tonk]

The logistics of building and maintaining, manning and refurbishing 12 Nimitz class carriers, and dozens of nuke subs, and all the rest of it is a fairly easy task, I agree. It beats health care, and education.

As far as Canadian school children going hungry, I just want you to take a good look at the ton of desperate people in your country right now who have given up on hope because no matter how many meal tickets they use, their meager circumstances drive them to drug addiction and utter dereliction. If you nix the possibility of raising yourself or your kids out of misery, you begin to make self destructive choices. I think Canada has a lot less misery and violence because my peers have chosen a stronger system of care for the entire nation to profit by.

Canadian parents are superlatively apt at feeding their children because there is less of a strain on their finances from across the board social netting. The higher studies schools are cheap relative to the US, and with a flick of a card, you can access top notch care in some of the best hospitals in the world. None of this five thousand dollar catheter charge that the cynics have made you swally; hook line and sinker. Poor you.

Of course, if you look at it macchiavelically, it would be better for the powers that be in Canada to rely on a lot of poorer folk to be used as cannon fodder in the armed forces.

Look at Chump's boosting of the military budget as another little nudge to the swamp draining you seem to have forgotten about. Lol.

Another reason for our imbalance could be the high tariffs CA imposes on US imports. Yes, our helicopters actually lift off the ground, which costs money. Don't worry though, if the shit hits the fan, we'll be there to cover your's, and true-d'ohs, butt. Nice to see Canadian children are finally getting good quality US milk and cheese.

[canuck]

Another reason for our imbalance could be the high tariffs CA imposes on US imports. Yes, our helicopters actually lift off the ground, which costs money. Don't worry though, if the shit hits the fan, we'll be there to cover your's, and true-d'ohs, butt. Nice to see Canadian children are finally getting good quality US milk and cheese.

There's enough milk and cheese to go around already. Just tell California to keep on sending us oranges and walnuts, lettuce and wine.

[Honky Tonk]

There's enough milk and cheese to go around already. Just tell California to keep on sending us oranges and walnuts, lettuce and wine.

I hope California can continue to do so. Lettuce pray.

[Richard]

The logistics of building and maintaining, manning and refurbishing 12 Nimitz class carriers, and dozens of nuke subs, and all the rest of it is a fairly easy task, I agree. It beats health care, and education.

As far as Canadian school children going hungry, I just want you to take a good look at the ton of desperate people in your country right now who have given up on hope because no matter how many meal tickets they use, their meager circumstances drive them to drug addiction and utter dereliction. If you nix the possibility of raising yourself or your kids out of misery, you begin to make self destructive choices. I think Canada has a lot less misery and violence because my peers have chosen a stronger system of care for the entire nation to profit by.

Canadian parents are superlatively apt at feeding their children because there is less of a strain on their finances from across the board social netting. The higher studies schools are cheap relative to the US, and with a flick of a card, you can access top notch care in some of the best hospitals in the world. None of this five thousand dollar catheter charge that the cynics have made you swally; hook line and sinker. Poor you.

Of course, if you look at it macchiavelically, it would be better for the powers that be in Canada to rely on a lot of poorer folk to be used as cannon fodder in the armed forces.

Look at Chump's boosting of the military budget as another little nudge to the swamp draining you seem to have forgotten about. Lol.

We could in the past have sent you from Florida, enough orange juice to take a bath in,but now you have to look to Brazil for that.

Ross Perot passed,his words regarding NAFTA were,That giant sucking sound you hear is the American jobs leaving the country.

We can feed the world but yet thousands of farms lay fallow.
We have one of the best healthcare systems in the world but yet some who need it do not have access to it.

We spend billions on illegal immigration while millions sleep in the streets.

We beg for $15 per hour jobs because we decided to settle for less.

We complain about the lack of good paying jobs while spending billions on cheap imported crap that could be produced in this country,providing jobs.

I could go on but Trump is not the problem,WE are the problem,President Trump is doing exactly what he is supposed to be doing,put this country first and foremost.

People like to use Sweden and Denmark as examples of how a society should be but if they dig deeper they will find that tide is changing.

People no longer have the attitude of the past and the free stuff has overpowered the will to produce.

That is the political excuse,instead of facing the reality and dealing with what needs to be done thier only option and easiest option is to offer free stuff.

Then comes the blame game,it’s everybody else’s fault,military spending is the easiest to attack because the adverage American has never lived in a country that got stormed over in a day and had to live under the threat of comply or die.

They are not living in the Cameron of today and being slaughtered simply for the language that they speak.

We are the people and those choices that we make are the ones we live with and can blame nobody but ourselves.

Politicians are either really smart or we are really dumb to be begging for $15 per hour jobs,it shows how beaten down people are in order to except so little in life and view that as a win.

They vote people in that convince you to settle for less so they can be the savior when they give you a little more.

Untill the American people stop settling for less we are going to continue to be in a race to the bottom and blame everybody and everything else for our problems.

Has the current president ever asked the people of this country to settle for less or has his mantra been to level the playing field so we do not have to settle for less out of desperation?

The rest of the country needs to take a hard look at Detroit because that is the very definition of who we are as Americans and what can be accomplished when we choose to not settle for less.

Sadly we have a history as a country of waiting until our back is up against the wall before we come out fighting but we also have a history that proves what we can accomplish when we do.

[Zacha341]

What? You find that lack of priorities a problem?

We spend billions on illegal immigration while millions sleep in the streets.

[Richard]

What? You find that lack of priorities a problem?

Fake compassion burns me the most,how can one step on thier fellow Americans in order to help somebody else first,they use the whole it’s who we are as Americans,but it is not who we are.

[Zacha341]

How can some?

Because the reasoning not to has been solely conflated to mean-siding-with DumpTrump and his pile [[so the thinking goes)!

We should have priorities no matter who's president!

Fake compassion burns me the most, how can one step on thier fellow Americans in order to help somebody else first, they use the whole it’s who we are as Americans, but it is not who we are.

[rb336]

You say it is fake compassion? I call bullshit. Support that claim.

Fake compassion burns me the most,how can one step on thier fellow Americans in order to help somebody else first,they use the whole it’s who we are as Americans,but it is not who we are.

[canuck]

Good Luck with a president whose idea of solidarity with his people is firing apprentices and building failed casinos to suck you dry. So much for reality, and a hefty part of delusion.

[Richard]

Good Luck with a president whose idea of solidarity with his people is firing apprentices and building failed casinos to suck you dry. So much for reality, and a hefty part of delusion.

Prime example of excuses are like ...... everybody has one.

What exactly does his past have to do with what he is providing now?

Millions of Americans have filed bankruptcy and lost buisnesss,Atlantic city is almost devoid of the multiple casinos they once had,the only thing it says is casinos are not the answer to our woes.

Casinos and lottery are tools to provide false hope instead of facing the reality.

People are confused because he is actually doing what he said he was going to do,they have a hard time dealing with it.

I have seen more minority start ups in the last two years then I saw in the total 8 years of hope and change,he must be doing something right.

But that is what pisses people off the most,because deep inside they see he is producing results and they cannot stand that.

[Pam]

Interview with Bernie campaign co-chair Nina Turner.

https://youtu.be/a8DsDs4twxI

[Zacha341]

^^^ What inner cities?

Please supply the requested 155+ links [[which'll be dismissed) to support your claims NOW!! *sarc*

I'll wait...

[bust]

As if regional politics/opinions/planning/realities have no effect on local neighborhoods.

Homeless people migrate to places like San Francisco, not Bumfuk Alabama, because there is a lot more support and a much lower chance they'll be murdered in their sleep.

How encouraging the demand for sources. How discouraging the admission they'll immediately be dismissed.

[Pam]

Bernie will be traveling to Windsor from Detroit today.

In 1999 I traveled to Canada with breast cancer patients and watched as they, with tears in their eyes, finally received the medicine they could not afford in the United States.

This Sunday we're going back with diabetics to purchase insulin at one-tenth the price.

https://youtu.be/f6K_ub7sQ2o

[Honky Tonk]

Bernie will be traveling to Windsor from Detroit today.


https://youtu.be/f6K_ub7sQ2o

No offense, Pam, I mean you no harm, but Bernie can advocate for anything he wants, including all US citizens getting a fresh, crisp hundred dollar bill every morning, but it ain't gonna happen. Have more stringent background checks been implemented for weapons purchase? The AMA is another member of the holy trinity in this country, and they're not going to give up their piece of the pie. Even if Bernie should make it into office, [[anything is possible after Trump) he simply can't wave his arm and declare "Medicare for all". There are checks and balances that have to be passed by legislature first. Somehow it has to be paid for. I don't see it happening. More idealistic fluff.

[Pam]

No offense, Pam, I mean you no harm, but Bernie can advocate for anything he wants, including all US citizens getting a fresh, crisp hundred dollar bill every morning, but it ain't gonna happen. Have more stringent background checks been implemented for weapons purchase? The AMA is another member of the holy trinity in this country, and they're not going to give up their piece of the pie. Even if Bernie should make it into office, [[anything is possible after Trump) he simply can't wave his arm and declare "Medicare for all". There are checks and balances that have to be passed by legislature first. Somehow it has to be paid for. I don't see it happening. More idealistic fluff.

If every other country in the world can do it, why can't we? Obviously he can't just wave his arm. There would be a transition period of a few years where more people are added to Medicare. The current system is broken. We have to try. Or you could just vote for Status Quo Joe Biden who has a pharma lobbyist working for him.

https://youtu.be/41bB2iSqAc8

[Honky Tonk]

If every other country in the world can do it, why can't we? Obviously he can't just wave his arm. There would be a transition period of a few years where more people are added to Medicare. The current system is broken. We have to try. Or you could just vote for Status Quo Joe Biden who has a pharma lobbyist working for him.

https://youtu.be/41bB2iSqAc8

I'm voting for Elizabeth Warren because I want to pay off everybody else's tuition too. I got into it last night with 2 staunch Democrats about Joe Biden. It'll take more then a few years Pam, because "they're" not going to let it happen. Obama was the most popular President since Clinton, and look how cooperative everyone was passing the Hack-Job Health Care. And Bernie wants to introduce Socialism? Best of luck on his election.

[Richard]

If every other country in the world can do it, why can't we? Obviously he can't just wave his arm. There would be a transition period of a few years where more people are added to Medicare. The current system is broken. We have to try. Or you could just vote for Status Quo Joe Biden who has a pharma lobbyist working for him.

https://youtu.be/41bB2iSqAc8

If one really looks at systems in place in every other country in the world they will see that they are also constantly trying to figure out how to fund an overwhelmed system.

In the UK a simple flu outbreak pushed the system beyond capacity.

People use the argument that there is no healthcare for the poor while every state has programs in place that provide medical assistance for the poor which is a combination of state and federal funds,some states you do not even have to be a citizen to receive healthcare at no cost to the individual.

I would agree that the big Pharmaceutical aspect needs to come into check but when tried in Russia it opened the door in the wrong way,the market became flooded with watered down insulin and people died from it.But it was cheap.

Everything is a trade off,you either have healthcare for all at a reduced performance rate with the high taxes paying for it or a system that we already have,something that is already accessible to everybody without the never ending bottomless pit of funding it.

So that is the problem in trying to convince a nation that healthcare for all is the solution when it is actually not a proven solution anywhere in the world as a viable comparison.

The bankers love socialism programs,all the money flows to the top and makes it easier to collect the interest,every government runs off of borrowing money,somebody is providing it and somebody is collecting interest on it,but yet let’s run on the platform of anti big banks while trying to do a systematic change that actually puts the reins in thier hands of control.

Big money cannot buy a better political allegiances then those who are keen on socialism.

Here in Florida it seems like a majority of the doctors are of Indian decent that migrated to Canada,became doctors under thier programs,then moved to the states to continue thier practice,which seems to be a common theme worldwide.