Welcome to Bernie/Independent/Third Party Land

[oladub]

I feel that Jill Stein of the Green Party was right to request a recount of the Michigan votes in the 2016 Presidential election.
You will recall that was quite the brouhaha. Russian election interference was just then being comprehended. The Republicans on the State Supreme Court successfully blocked the recount once it was under way.
So just because I think Jill Stein was right on this, and no, I voted for Hillary Clinton, I believe I will be voting for Bernie Sanders tomorrow.

Jill Stein did have every right to recount Michigan's vote. However, I could never understand how Russians could have messed with Michigan's paper ballots. Jill Stein's recount did pay off though but not in the way she expected. It turned out that some Detroit precincts had turned in more ballots than there were voters in those precincts. It seems unlikely though that Russians were responsible.

Although Bernie is a more honest and less corrupt person than Biden, you might consider voting for Tulsi Gabbard in tomorrow's election. She is the only candidate actively opposing the foreign interventionism that gets so many of our kids killed and wrecks our budget to the point of reducing our standard of living. Tulsi has shown that she has what it takes to stand up to would be bullies like Kamala and Hillary. I doubt that Putin could push Tulsi either. Tulsi would get cross over votes in a general election for her service to America. There is yet this third choice not involving a senile deep state corporatist vs. the sincere Trotskyite. And, this might be important to Democrats, Tulsi is not an old white man.

[Richard]

If I was not voting for Trump,I would probably vote for Tulsi because she is easy on the eyes and has big hooters verses an old white guy.

When she started mimicking Bernie policies she became a pandering sort,she did not stuck to her guns.

Biden did good in the south because of the African American vote,no different then Obama.Majority of the dem voters are African American,that’s why you saw the candidates pump up the love for the African American community just before the primaries.

40 years of keeping them trapped in inner cities and all of the sudden they are their best buds come voting time.

Cory Booker is in Detroit this morning endorsing Biden.

[Richard]

I wonder if the Antifa folk will riot at some point as we saw with the protests at the Democratic National Convention in Chicago in 68?

It will be far less polite this time if they do!

Ever notice how they skip the states with strong stand your ground laws?

When they came to Florida they were like little meek mice,kinda hard to be a bully when you get up in somebody’s face and are likely to get capped.

[Zacha341]

^^^ Some may bail out as things get really heated!

[Maof]

If I was not voting for Trump,I would probably vote for Tulsi because she is easy on the eyes and has big hooters verses an old white guy

This validates all the gibberish we see from you, all day, everyday.

[Canadian Visitor]

Saw this insanity on Twitter:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1237536785804054528

How does this not get challenged in court?

Really, looks like voter suppression to me. Just sayin.

Irrespective of whose voters, no one should ever have to wait in line 3 hours to vote......

Not 2 hours or 1 hour or 30 minutes either.

15 minutes tops!

[Johnnny5]

Saw this insanity on Twitter:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1237536785804054528

How does this not get challenged in court?

Really, looks like voter suppression to me. Just sayin.

Irrespective of whose voters, no one should ever have to wait in line 3 hours to vote......

Not 2 hours or 1 hour or 30 minutes either.

15 minutes tops!

I'd put my money on the side effects of Proposal 3 before I considered it voter suppression. That said, most of the problems have to do with the the ineptitude of local officials. I voted today in Milford around 3pm and was literally the only person in the room other than poll workers and monitors. I walked in, filled out my ballot, thanked the poll workers as I went and was out in under 5 minutes.

If you think it's bad now, just wait until the lines of people show up 2 hours before the polls close this November and want to "register" to vote. If cities like East Lansing can't get their crap together now [[For an election where most Republicans didn't even have a reason to show up) we're going to be a laughing stock of the nation come November.

[Zacha341]

All eyes were on Michigan a state that gave Bernie Sanders a surprise win in the 2016 primary against Hillary Clinton...

[oladub]

Pam, Tulsi Gabbard gave up her position with the DNC in 2016 so she could help Bernie. That involved self-sacrifice. She asked Bernie and Biden to lobby the DNC to change its recent ruling effectively keeping her out of the next debate. Have you heard if Bernie acceded to her request? He owes her a favor and it wouldn't hurt him to do so.

[Richard]

This validates all the gibberish we see from you, all day, everyday.

Nice to see you here all day,every day in order to read them,good job on you taking sarcasm out of context in order to try and provide a pointless reply.

Got nothing more in Bernie?

[Dumpling]

Well I voted for Bernie last Tuesday March 10th. I would have been A_OKAY with it had all of the Republicans and Independents mobbed the precinct and voted for Tulsi Gabbard though.

[JBMcB]

Saw this insanity on Twitter:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1237536785804054528

How does this not get challenged in court?

Really, looks like voter suppression to me. Just sayin.

Barb Byrum is Ingham County clerk, whom is in charge of voting in East Lansing. If you want to complain, this is the person to complain to.

https://clerk.ingham.org/departments.../county_clerk/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Byrum

[Zacha341]

Accordingly, Bernies gonna apply some boxing to Biden at the next debate. He even stated the questions he is GOING to 'ask' Biden! I guess the moderators will not be needed!?

"Let me be very frank as to the questions that I will be asking Joe...."

https://twitter.com/i/status/1237799949821247488

[jcole]

Accordingly, Bernies gonna apply some boxing to Biden at the next debate. He even stated the questions he is GOING to 'ask' Biden! I guess the moderators will not be needed!?

"Let me be very frank as to the questions that I will be asking Joe...."

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/11/sanders-to-press-on-against-biden-after-primary-losses-125805

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...-losses-125805


https://twitter.com/i/status/1237799949821247488

How are these even debates? The break every rule of debating and the so called moderators are useless. Just put boxing gloves on them and let them go at it on stage. Makes just as much sense

[Zacha341]

^^^ Them two boxing!! That would be an image !

Maybe coronavirus can shut down that gathering.

[Richard]

Saw this insanity on Twitter:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1237536785804054528

How does this not get challenged in court?

Really, looks like voter suppression to me. Just sayin.

Irrespective of whose voters, no one should ever have to wait in line 3 hours to vote......

Not 2 hours or 1 hour or 30 minutes either.

15 minutes tops!

To me it looks like the liberal Canadians are trying to influence the 2020 elections.

Kinda like the 2011 voter suppression in Canada called Robocall/Robogate.

Difference between something that looks like verses actually is.

They had the option of voting by absentee ballot and mailed it in or dropped it off without standing in line.

They have to create a cut off time otherwise the strategy would be to wait until 5 minutes before the polls close and have 1000s show up.

If you read further down the feed the long lines were the same day registration lines,people have 4 years to register but wait until the day of vote.

Bernie is losing in double digits,the long lines will not effect the outcome either way,no way possible to catch up.

[Pam]

Pam, Tulsi Gabbard gave up her position with the DNC in 2016 so she could help Bernie. That involved self-sacrifice. She asked Bernie and Biden to lobby the DNC to change its recent ruling effectively keeping her out of the next debate. Have you heard if Bernie acceded to her request? He owes her a favor and it wouldn't hurt him to do so.

I agree he should support her right to debate. I don't know if he has yet.

[Richard]

At least with the virus we get to see what it would be like living under a Bernie world,empty shelves,people staying home with no work,businesses shutting down with a crashed economy.

All the desired benefits of socialism.

[Zacha341]

Hah! The play out of the Hegelian Dialectic beyond the hard to pronounce words?! ......

Hunker down with popcorn to watch the debate tonight.

[rb336]

At least with the virus we get to see what it would be like living under a Bernie world,empty shelves,people staying home with no work,businesses shutting down with a crashed economy.

All the desired benefits of socialism.

Just STFU with your ignorance and utter stupidity. Ever see empty store shelves in ACTUAL Democratic Socialist countries like...
Denmark
Finland
Sweden
Norway
Germany
the Netherlands

[Richard]

Just STFU with your ignorance and utter stupidity. Ever see empty store shelves in ACTUAL Democratic Socialist countries like...
Denmark
Finland
Sweden
Norway
Germany
the Netherlands

Democratic socialism describes a socialist economy where production and wealth are collectively owned, but the country has a democratic system of government. The goal of democratic socialism is to achieve socialist goals of equality while opposing socialist ideologies. Democratic socialism is opposed to the Soviet economic model, command economies and authoritarian governance. Under Democratic socialism, the ownership of private property is limited. The government regulates the economy. There are also different programs that offer assistance and pensions.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/co...ist-countries/


The countries that you named,have democratic socialist parties and you are confused as to the difference between Democrat socialism and a socialist democracy.

In a social democracy, capitalism is allowed to exist. But there are also programs in place to distribute resources and to regulate the economy and businesses.

Democratic socialism, on the other hand, seeks to eliminate the capitalist component and to centralize the economy. Unlike communism, it doesn't hope to achieve its ends through revolution, but instead through democratic practices.

https://www.reference.com/world-view/list-democratic-socialist-countries-


Bernie Sanders refers to himself as a Democrat Socialist.

While you are telling others to STFU maybe you should spend some time learning about WTF you are talking about.


Sweden is a great example. It has a free-market economy, meaning that the government interferes very little in business. There are very few business regulations, particularly regarding workers; in fact, Sweden and other Scandinavian countries do not have minimum wages for their workers.

[aj3647]

Saw this insanity on Twitter:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1237536785804054528

How does this not get challenged in court?

Really, looks like voter suppression to me. Just sayin.

Irrespective of whose voters, no one should ever have to wait in line 3 hours to vote......

Not 2 hours or 1 hour or 30 minutes either.

15 minutes tops!

Please don't just buy whatever narrative is being put out on Twitter. What the photo is missing is context. Here you go:

Michigan has same-day voter registration, which means if you are not registered to vote, you can register even on election day and still cast a ballot. These students were waiting in line that long because they were not registered to vote. So first they had to register, and then vote. That obviously takes a lot longer to do then if you were already registered and just needed to cast a ballot.

The same thing played out in Ann Arbor, 3 hour line outside City Hall full of college students who were trying to register and vote at the same time. It takes time to fill out the registration form, and it takes time for the clerk to process your registration before you can vote. For anyone who wants to do that on election day, be prepared to wait because it takes time.

I think it's great that people can register and vote same-day, but there's something to be said about being proactive and not waiting until the last possible freaking second to both register AND vote. I cast my vote in Ann Arbor and I was in and out in less than 10 minutes.

Notice though that the context was completely stripped away by Bernie supporters online who used those photos to suggest that this was voter suppression. It wasn't. This is intentionally misleading information and the people pushing it are intentionally being dishonest about it.

https://www.lansingstatejournal.com/...ay/5012837002/

People, most of them Michigan State University students, packed the hallways of East Lansing City Hall on Tuesday, hunching to fill out paperwork that will allow them to register and vote in Michigan's primary election.

The last voter left just before 11 p.m., nearly two hours after the Associated Press called Michigan's Democratic primary in favor of former Vice President Joe Biden.

The deadline to register to vote in Michigan was 8 p.m. Election Day, but people who were in line at 8 p.m. were allowed to vote. Tuesday's election was the first statewide race since Michiganders in November 2018 approved a series of voting reforms, including same-day voter registration.

https://www.mlive.com/news/ann-arbor...ann-arbor.html

ANN ARBOR, MI – In the final hours before Election Day, Ann Arbor city hall is being flooded with University of Michigan students registering to vote.

[Canadian Visitor]

Please don't just buy whatever narrative is being put out on Twitter. What the photo is missing is context. Here you go:

Michigan has same-day voter registration, which means if you are not registered to vote, you can register even on election day and still cast a ballot. These students were waiting in line that long because they were not registered to vote. So first they had to register, and then vote. That obviously takes a lot longer to do then if you were already registered and just needed to cast a ballot......

Ty for the context.

It may or may not, in your mind be voter suppression.

I have to tell you that would never be tolerated in Canada or any other developed world nation I can think of.

First, we enumerate, we don't register.

That means the government finds you, and registers you to vote; if they miss you for some reason, then you can initiate the process yourself.

This is done w/o ever talking to you by using databases like Health Cards, Driver's licenses and tax returns.

However, the government captures most people [[96%) and sends you a voting card in the mail, which you bring to your polling station on voting day.

This is what a voting card looks like:

https://www.elections.ca/res/glo/ima...arge_e_new.jpg

If for some reason you didn't not get a card, we do not require you to fill out forms in triplicate to vote.

Instead, you have three options:

Option 1: Show one of these pieces of ID

• your driver's licence
• any other card issued by a Canadian government [[federal, provincial/territorial or local) with your photo, name and current address

Option 2: Show two pieces of ID

Both must have your name and at least one must have your current address.

Examples:

• voter information card and bank statement
• utility bill and student ID card

Option 3: No ID

You can still vote if you declare your identity and address in writing and have someone who knows you and who is assigned to your polling station vouch for you.
The voucher must be able to prove their identity and address. A person can vouch for only one person [[except in long-term care institutions).


None of these processes would ever take over 15m; and line ups rarely exceed same.

This 3-hour lineup business is nuts! No matter who you support within a party, or which party etc.

[rb336]

Richard, Richard, Richard.

Cherry pick all you want, but you look particularly stupid when YOUR link, the part you chose not to quote, makes my point for me:

"A democratic socialist is someone who believes that the government should provide a range of basic services to the public for free or at a significant discount, such as health care and education. Unlike socialists, democratic socialists do not believe the government should control all aspects of the aspects, only help provide basic needs and help all of its citizens have an equal chance of success."

[Richard]

Richard, Richard, Richard.

Cherry pick all you want, but you look particularly stupid when YOUR link, the part you chose not to quote, makes my point for me:

"A democratic socialist is someone who believes that the government should provide a range of basic services to the public for free or at a significant discount, such as health care and education. Unlike socialists, democratic socialists do not believe the government should control all aspects of the aspects, only help provide basic needs and help all of its citizens have an equal chance of success."

Rb Rb rb

Part A and Part B

I posted Part A because you do not get to Part B without implementing part A

I notice you also glossed over the fact that the countries that you posted as shining examples of where we should be,got there by unregulated private businesses.

They got there because they did not intervene in the process of dictating how a business should be run by over regulation,even to the point of not even regulating minimum wages paid.

Which is contradicting everything Bernie says.

Basic minimum wage $15
The evil billionaires
Companies should pay for everything.
etc etc


The very countries that you posted proves social democracy’s work where as democratic socialist policies do not work without total governmental control.

Once they are in power they do everything in their power in order to stay in power,starting by elimination of the countries constitution and elimination of the term limits.

What is Bernies goal that he makes no secret of? Eliminating the electoral vote.

I posted the definitions for you and you still do not get it.

The countries that you failed to post are the Democratic socialist countries.

Venezuela,Nicaragua etc where the president was voted in by democratic vote but once they got in power they found the only way to implement programs was by total control.

Exactly the definition as I posted and how Democratic Socialist country’s work.

You are thinking Bernie Sanders is that special where he came to self describe himself as a Democratic Socialist many times over?

He is not just throwing that word out there,he knows exactly what it means and what it entails.

He is now and always has been a shill for the Socialist party,why do you think he has been there for 40 years but never wins or accomplished anything.

You can get enough votes through the socialist party in order to gain office,AOC did it with less then 2000 votes,it does not mean she is ever going to have real power,just like Bernie has never had real power,they just kinda tolerated him for the last 40 years.

If you want to support Bernie knock yourself out,people have been supporting the socialist party in this country since the start.

That is your right.

See that is the difference,we protect your rights in this country even though it is your goal to remove ours.

He is not just losing to Biden he is losing to Biden with double and triple digits.

Biden is not exactly the sharpest tack in the drawer so what does that say,let alone he lost to Hillary.

So even going up against the bottom of the barrel of candidates he cannot win ground,that message you are ignoring

The DNC does not throw Bernie under the bus in order to protect the DNC,they throw him under the bus because they know exactly what will happen in this country should a Democrat socialist take power.

They do not want to be forever labeled as the party that threw this country into a civil war.They are not that stupid.