Are we being Visited?Is Michigan a hotbed?

**rb336** · September-02-09, 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by tahleel

I am open to the idea that there might be other life forms. But because there is life on Earth does not guarantee that there is, unquestionably, life on other planets. Until there is physical proof or they show themselves, the debate between whether they exist or not is simply a pissing contest. Until more evidence surfaces, we will never know.

it seems highly likely that there is other life out there [[Frank Drake's running of the drake equation said there would be 10 potential communicating species in our galaxy, other numbers say it is in the thousands, some say there is a half. Then again, virtually every number put into the equation is arbitrary. the galaxy has approx. 100,000,000,000 stars. if .0001 of those had planets in the "goldilocks zone," that would be 10,000,000 planets there. if .00001 [[1/1000%) of these had developed intelligent life, that is still 100 planets with intelligent life. but is it visiting us? I seriously doubt it

UFO · September-02-09, 02:57 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veOYpqy87SM

explain please

could be swamp gas just like this one here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDOOZ...om=PL&index=18

**rb336** · September-02-09, 03:01 PM

the old i don't get it, so it must be aliens argument?

detmich · September-02-09, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by ccbatson

Part of me feels sorry for the folks who are afflicted by this common delusion.

I know, it's like those folks who claim they are straight but watch gay porn. I mean come on, how long can they delude themselves?

ccbatson · September-02-09, 04:07 PM

??? Not at all similar...one is a potential mental illness for which outsiders might feel sorry for the person, the other is not.

**Meddle** · September-02-09, 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by rb336

if .00001 [[1/1000%) of these had developed intelligent life, that is still 100 planets with intelligent life.

Intelligent life hasn't even been discovered on Earth yet, why do we care what else is out there?

Lorax · September-02-09, 06:30 PM

Originally Posted by ccbatson

??? Not at all similar...one is a potential mental illness for which outsiders might feel sorry for the person, the other is not.

Clarify, please.

Neither are mental illnesses.

Now, claiming to be Republican and human in the same breath- now that's mental illness.

**Bigb23** · September-04-09, 12:57 PM

This is a good case history out of Selfridge ANG back in 1952.

http://www.ufologie.net/htm/selfridge52.htm

There was another sighting off the runway there, back around 1918 - 1922, to the best of my knowlege. Try a Google search for that one. I remember reading about that on line.

UFO · September-04-09, 05:40 PM

Great read Big, thanks

ccbatson · September-05-09, 12:12 AM

Paranoid schizophrenia with delusions is a mental illness. Sexual orientation is not.

Lorax · September-05-09, 09:11 AM

Whewww!

Glad to see you're comfortable with both.

DetroitDad · September-05-09, 10:01 AM

Originally Posted by elganned

If a culture that has figured out how to cross interstellar space didn't want to be found, we would not know they are here.

Additionally, if that culture wanted to take over and enslave the Earth at any time, there wouldn't be a damned thing we could do about it.

So the answer to the Question: Are there UFOs? is probably "What difference does it make?"

I would think a civilization that advanced would have gotten over the childish need to conquer, and would have abandoned a drive for power over what they would view as a primitive civilization.

Also, you seem to be presuming it's some big feat to travel across the universe, probably because it would be with our current technology, but you are ignoring things like what Gannon is talking about, things like warping the space-time fabric, or by passing it all together. Just because we are stuck in that space-time net in our everyday perceptions doesn't necessarily mean that is all that is.

Gannon really kind of blew my mind explaining that stuff the other night, and I don't think I even fully comprehended all of it fully until I thought about it more, but it seems a very interesting and credible theory.

Or, maybe closer and more primitive aliens have already landed, decided we weren't worth invading because all our natural resources are fading, and left...

**Gannon** · September-05-09, 11:22 AM

Wow, thanks for the props, D'Dad. That was fun last night.

It is just so damn funny that ignorant individuals, given our extraordinarily limited sensory perceptions, will make such declaratory and derogatory statements...when it is WAY more likely we co-exist with many things that choose to not hover down at our usual resonant state.

I'm looking for that study on the duration of perceptual reaction times...that one helps define the duration of our innate time travel abilities. Blink- or Sneeze-level brain activity...which we have little control over...I'm saying we all automatically suspend ourselves in this in order to maintain sanity in our little noggins.

Unfortunately there is no other conclusion, if we all suffer or enjoy a time delay before perceiving a thing then another before reacting to it. If we couldn't innately time-travel, there would BE no fluid motion in fire, smoke, or...fluids.

And traffic would be a mess...

DetroitDad · September-05-09, 06:04 PM

You know what is crazy about that is the realization that a system which over the scale of the universe....[DELETED]

I think that was a little too deep, I'll save it for another time.

**elganned** · September-05-09, 11:22 PM

Originally Posted by DetroitDad

Also, you seem to be presuming it's some big feat to travel across the universe, probably because it would be with our current technology, but you are ignoring things like what Gannon is talking about, things like warping the space-time fabric, or by passing it all together.

Um, travel across the universe is a big feat, compared to where we are now--which was my assertion. [[Reminds me of that commercial where the guy says the way to deliver things faster is easy--wormholes. "Now we just have to solve that whole space-time continuum thing...")

My whole premise is that if a civilization is advanced enough to cross the universe--by whatever method--they would be able to keep us from knowing they were here if they didn't want us to know.

Clarke's Law: "A sufficiently advanced technology is indistiguishable from magic."

ccbatson · September-05-09, 11:26 PM

Laws of Physics make the travel distance/time/rigors a physical impossibility even from the nearest potentially habitable solar system.

Stosh · September-06-09, 08:07 AM

Originally Posted by ccbatson

Laws of Physics make the travel distance/time/rigors a physical impossibility even from the nearest potentially habitable solar system.

The sky is blue on my planet. What color is it in on yours?

**Gannon** · September-06-09, 08:30 AM

Newton's LAWS of Physics had some adamantly aware that the fastest speed a human could travel without suffocating to be something like 6 miles per hour.

There wasn't a nucleus to divide then.

Comes along an Einstein, the universe most certainly changed.

According to HIS stretching of Newton's LAWS...and the mutating of mere human expectations and understandings...everything we experience as solid is NOTHING of the sort.

We got FURTHER from grasping why things appear as they are.

Now, we're getting all Stringie-like with our understanding of the real physical nature of our universe...the stretching becomes not unlike a Mobius-strip...we've folded back into ourselves in a way...and once again the LAWS will be changing.

THERE ARE NO UNCHANGEABLE LAWS, NOT WITH PHYSICS, NOR WITH LIFE.

Funny thing, we got a thirteen-year veteran of the police force to finally agree after a protracted debate [[when he thought he had busted us all on Belle Isle the other day) on how a range of response was necessary to properly enforce the fixed, un-mutable, and ever-lording LAW he is sworn to uphold.

Even got him to laugh at the realization when I suggested he simply shoot a passing boater for disobeying the no-wake law...since he was obviously not responding to verbal commands and seemed a flight risk...he was actually sailing away from us at the time.

This after he was adamant about writing all the tickets he could for noise...boasted it only took three minutes to write 'em up. I'm sure the person who approved the raid of that blind pig behind the United Civic League for Community Action front back in the summer of 1967 took even LESS time to think about the ramifications of his actions.

[[many thanks to Robert Conot for the name of the blind pig)

Cheers!

Lorax · September-06-09, 09:03 AM

Originally Posted by ccbatson

Laws of Physics make the travel distance/time/rigors a physical impossibility even from the nearest potentially habitable solar system.

Not if your a Christofascist- you can soar with god, with no ill effects, or so I'm told.

The only UFO's I'm aware of around here are the Uninformed Fascist Oafs who continue to post blathering diatribes on complete nonsense.

UFO · September-07-09, 11:51 AM

Then again, it is possible we are the most advanced race in "this" universe.

But according to many known scholars there are multi-verses in existence.

So while we may be smart here, we are certinly not the brightest crayons in the box.

Question: If the universe was born through the big bang, what was it born into?
Like baby is born into a womb, what is supporting the universe?
If there are other corridors of this universe expanding into other universes, do they end somewhere? or do they keep going?

food for thought

ccbatson · September-07-09, 11:39 PM

Unlikely that we are the most advanced at this moment in the entire Universe. But we will never have any way of knowing.

**elganned** · September-08-09, 07:11 AM

Oh, c'mon bats. Somebody has to be first in line, why can't it be us?

The chances are statistically small, but the chances are equally small for every potential civilizations; they are identical for the one in the number 1 spot as they are for the one in the number 1,215 spot.

And as for "we will never know", never say never when dealing with the unknown.

UFO · September-08-09, 09:37 AM

What about the Mayan spaceman and other ancient hieroglyphs?

http://media.photobucket.com/image/m...bayrob/M72.jpg

Or the Nazca Lines?

Or the other ancient pics of space beings and their ships.

Surely all ancient civilazations did not imagine the same things.

How do you explain pyramids throughout the world basically all constructed in similar fashions and dimensions.
Also basically same time periods.
Their must be something more to all of this other than coincidence.

**elganned** · September-08-09, 11:30 AM

A fan of Erich von Daniken, I see...

Originally Posted by UFO

What about the Mayan spaceman and other ancient hieroglyphs?

http://media.photobucket.com/image/m...bayrob/M72.jpg

There is no picture of a "Mayan spaceman."

There is a carving of a man sitting on/in what some say looks like a spaceship but others have interpreted as symbolic of the Mayan Tree of Life, a major icon in their religious world-view. Given the ambiguity of the image, it could be just about anything your imagination wants to conjure.

Or the Nazca Lines?

Or the other ancient pics of space beings and their ships.

The Nazca Lines are enigmatic at best, and have been interpreted as both pointing to certain ceremonial sites and an astrological observatory. There is no evidence to support their having anything whatsoever to do with space visitors. They are mere inches deep, constructed by piling lines of different colored sand on the ground.

Surely all ancient civilazations did not imagine the same things.

Since it has not yet been established that artifacts from the various cultures in question all indicate the "same things", this is a moot point. When the link is established, then there is room for discussion. Until then, it remains pure speculation.

How do you explain pyramids throughout the world basically all constructed in similar fashions and dimensions.

Exactly how many stable shapes for pyramids do you know? They are either 3-sided or 4-sided, and usually are constructed from piling successively smaller platforms one on top of the other. No mystery there; simple engineering dictates the shape.

Or are we to assume, for example, that all domes in the world indicate some space culture that appeared to show us what domes look like?

And the size of pyramids varies vastly with the culture constructing them and the time and purpose of their construction.

Also basically same time periods.

The pyramids of Giza and those of the classical Mayan period are separated by some 2,500 years. How then do you classify them in the "same time period", unless of course you mean "some time long ago" which is the only category vague enough to encompass both.

Their must be something more to all of this other than coincidence.

There is. It's called "wishful thinking" and "over-active imagination".

**Gannon** · September-08-09, 11:30 AM

The Piri Reis map from 1513, as noted in the margins by him copied from earlier sources, had portions drawn in the complex Equidistant Azimuthal Projection...which can only be DONE by observations, measurements, and recordings while flying...and is only NEEDED for fly-overs where precise distances must be measured as the crow flies in any direction linearly on the map!

Yeah, there is much that has been buried, forgotten, and the like.

Doubters are merely ignorant, it is nothing on them...they choose to believe the current zeitgeist, despite the huge holes in the theories. It is ALL faith, just pick yours...and don't use it as a weapon!