Canada denounces the US

[Richard]

http://news.groopspeak.com/canada-de...-announcement/

I think it is okay,no need to build that bridge now and save the Canadians billions sense they feel the US is so screwed up.She just put millions of American voters into the bridges opposition corner.

She went on to praise the U.S. for its role in the past but says voters in the last election have cast doubt on America’s ability to lead due to the person they put in the White House.

Maybe the voters that cast the doubt should make it easy on Canada and just avoid dealing with them at all.

Sorry Canada if you want to jump on the bandwagon,have a nice day.

[Meddle]

When the disaster struck last November, I half expected Canada to simply close all border crossing points and refuse entry to all except those seeking asylum.

[Richard]

When the disaster struck last November, I half expected Canada to simply close all border crossing points and refuse entry to all except those seeking asylum.

They really should.There are no terrorist controls there also,which we were reminded of recently.

Proably should also cancel the presidential approval of the Keystone pipeline and the bridge.

That pipeline is going down to the gulf coast so Canada can sell its oil,not America,the states that are fighting it have a lot of those voters that she basically called a POS and she just lit the fire.

You do not hear US politicians talking crap about Canadian voters and how thier choice of president is going to ruin the world,she crossed the line by attacking Americans.

I like how all of these countries that have benefited from these trade deals while our country cannot even fix its own roads and schools,they are getting called out now and thier first response is to run into the corner screaming like a 6 year old to try and drum up support for thier cause from our own 6 year olds screaming in the corner.

The difference is that the ones screaming in the corner here have that right as a fellow American whether we agree with them or not.

If Canada feels that it is in thier best interests to move along then who are we to stop them,I say with that attitude then let's help so it can go quick and everybody can get on with thier life.

I hope they let Cher in before they seal up the wall.Or maybe a trade off.Canada can take Cher and Rosie and we will let them keep the pipeline.

[canuck]

Richard, it's fake news. What the minister said isn't exactly what she said or meant. One way or another, it's the media playing tricks on you, again.

[coracle]

Richard, it's fake news. What the minister said isn't exactly what she said or meant. One way or another, it's the media playing tricks on you, again.

Don't know who she is, but she sounds uncannily like one of our democrats from California - she didn't say what she said, but in any case she didn't mean what she said she didn't say she said. But this is only after she said what she didn't say.

[Richard]

I could not find any of US politicians useing the same rhetoric against any Canadian politicians.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=K0tBSt2uZs0

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JeaVBNHf--c

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wqdSjMsJAwM

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=owfPQfaPu7k

but when Americans want to stand up for thier values they become fascists.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nG-pjr_cONM

Why was it our responsibility to fund and oversee the majority of the world acting big brother comes at a massive cost,the other countries chastised us over healthcare and how we treat our poor but had no problem haveing us fund everything else in thier best interests.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZY2VB9acxqg

[canuck]

I could not find any of US politicians useing the same rhetoric against any Canadian politicians.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=K0tBSt2uZs0

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JeaVBNHf--c

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wqdSjMsJAwM

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=owfPQfaPu7k

but when Americans want to stand up for thier values they become fascists.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nG-pjr_cONM

Why was it our responsibility to fund and oversee the majority of the world acting big brother comes at a massive cost,the other countries chastised us over healthcare and how we treat our poor but had no problem haveing us fund everything else in thier best interests.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZY2VB9acxqg

Your answer is in your question.

[noise]

but when Americans want to stand up for thier values they become fascists.

Values such as?

[GMan]

Values such as?

Here's one:

Love of God and their country.

[noise]

Here's one:

Love of God and their country.

This is a good joke because I can't tell if you're joking or not. Kudos.

[canuck]

This is a good joke because I can't tell if you're joking or not. Kudos.

Always humor to be found in religion. Remember when Lenin propagated the anti-faith to counter the opium of the people pandemic under the Tsars. Now, Putin has reinjected Orthodoxy and Love of country of course goes hand in hand with that medicine. Love it or leave it.

[Jimaz]

Trump made America grate again, dusted off his hands and concluded "My work here is done." We all lived happily ever after.

If only it were that simple!

[jcole]

Trump made America grate again, dusted off his hands and concluded "My work here is done." We all lived happily ever after.

If only it were that simple!

He certainly "grates" on MY nerves

[Meddle]

He certainly "grates" on MY nerves

Jackass made the country grate on the nerves of most of the world. Even those that used to be friends hate us now. And laugh at us.

[Richard]

Jackass made the country grate on the nerves of most of the world. Even those that used to be friends hate us now. And laugh at us.

Who?

UK ?

The majority of the population voted for Brexit,why?

Because they also want the tighter borders,immigration controls,to stop the further erosion of thier middle class,to build back up thier local manufacturing and business base and to stop unfair trade practices.

To perserve thier identity as a country.

Germany?

They mostly want to tighten up the devastating immigration controls.

They already have a high legal of protections for thier industry to stay in country,thier whole export aspect is more of the icing on the cake over and above.

Thier trade is based on what is best for thier country,or they do not do it.

China,Russia,Venezuela,Cuba,Half of Korea.


What the leaders think about the US nobody really cares but I would be willing to bet that half of thier population would be happy to be in the US,I doubt they are laughing.

France,Italy,Netherlands etc. are small economies that benefit from a combined force and most are also dealing with immigration controls that are having a negative impact.

Japan? Thier survivial is under our military umbrella and thier people have a extremely high level of class,so you do not hear them laughing.

The only reason we are still intrenched in Europe is because a lot of those countries remember that we had to be dragged into WW2 and they feel comfortable haveing a presence there already as a deterrent.

But that comes at a price to this country and sacrifice to its citizens,that is not to say that Canada,UK,Japan and all of the other countries do not have a military presence in those regions and assist while thier countrymen die alongside our military personnel,that we never hear about,it is we are expected to have the bulk of acessets which translates into reduced services in our country.

Have you noticed that all of the foreign politicians that have chosen to use the President Trump aspect to pander to thier voters are now loseing thier support,votes and positions.

Funny how the rest of the world that is reportedly laughing at us are putting politicians in place and doing the exact same thing we are doing for the exact same reasons.

We need to get our glass house in order before we continue to tell and pay for everybody else to get thier house in order.

[Canadian Visitor]

Who?

UK ?

The majority of the population voted for Brexit,why?

Because they also want the tighter borders,immigration controls,to stop the further erosion of thier middle class,to build back up thier local manufacturing and business base and to stop unfair trade practices.

To perserve thier identity as a country.

Germany?

They mostly want to tighten up the devastating immigration controls.

They already have a high legal of protections for thier industry to stay in country,thier whole export aspect is more of the icing on the cake over and above.

Thier trade is based on what is best for thier country,or they do not do it.

China,Russia,Venezuela,Cuba,Half of Korea.


What the leaders think about the US nobody really cares but I would be willing to bet that half of thier population would be happy to be in the US,I doubt they are laughing.

France,Italy,Netherlands etc. are small economies that benefit from a combined force and most are also dealing with immigration controls that are having a negative impact.

Japan? Thier survivial is under our military umbrella and thier people have a extremely high level of class,so you do not hear them laughing.

The only reason we are still intrenched in Europe is because a lot of those countries remember that we had to be dragged into WW2 and they feel comfortable haveing a presence there already as a deterrent.

But that comes at a price to this country and sacrifice to its citizens,that is not to say that Canada,UK,Japan and all of the other countries do not have a military presence in those regions and assist while thier countrymen die alongside our military personnel,that we never hear about,it is we are expected to have the bulk of acessets which translates into reduced services in our country.

Have you noticed that all of the foreign politicians that have chosen to use the President Trump aspect to pander to thier voters are now loseing thier support,votes and positions.

Funny how the rest of the world that is reportedly laughing at us are putting politicians in place and doing the exact same thing we are doing for the exact same reasons.

We need to get our glass house in order before we continue to tell and pay for everybody else to get thier house in order.

I shouldn't engage; but I'll indulge myself.

First, the quote you actually bring out is NOT what the minister said.

In fact the entire speech, which you can view unedited, goes to great lengths to praise the US in a speech in which the US is not the central theme [[it was an overall foreign policy paper).

But I digress, what gets you upset is that you hear comedy, or paraphrasing or 1/2 truths and accept it without question and then share it as if you know what your talking about. Please don't.

I'm sure your a bright enough fellow, but it doesn't make you appear that way when you misrepresent the facts.

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As a passing statement, Canada, going back to per-confederation, was only invaded, once. By the United States.

That's no insult to anyone, just a fact.

# of US bases in Canada - Zero
# of US missles on Canadian Soil - Zero

Also facts.

Our militaries do cooperate closely, as they should.

A Canadian has been head of NORAD.

Its worth adding Canada is around the 35th most populous nation in the world, its armed forces are typically ranked 20th in capability.

That said, your defense expenditures, as a nation, are not our responsibility.

[coracle]

Jackass made the country grate on the nerves of most of the world. Even those that used to be friends hate us now. And laugh at us.

They all wish they had their own Trump instead of their weeny lefty "manager excuses" that apologize while they redistribute everything internally to the lowest common denominator and continually cede their countries to the diversity of the third world and worse. Most of them are "finished" as national entities and no longer in charge of their own countries. You need to get out more.

[aj3647]

They all wish they had their own Trump instead of their weeny lefty "manager excuses" that apologize while they redistribute everything internally to the lowest common denominator and continually cede their countries to the diversity of the third world and worse. Most of them are "finished" as national entities and no longer in charge of their own countries. You need to get out more.

Lol, "they all wish they had their own Trump?" That must be why Right Wing "Trump-like" populist candidates have lost in several major European elections since November 2016.

-Geert Wilders, the "Dutch Donald Trump", loses the 2017 Dutch General Election to a centrist political party.

-Marine Le Pen, the "French Donald Trump", has her ass handed to her in the French Presidential Election back in April, losing by over 30 points to centrist candidate Emmanuel Macron.

-Conservative UK Prime Minister [[and Trump ally) Theresa May, seeking to capitalize on her Brexit victory, calls for snap Parliamentary election in hopes to boost the conservative majority. Instead, the conservatives suffer huge losses at the ballot box at the hands of the liberal Labor Party, costing the Conservatives their outright majority in Parliament and killing all hopes of a "Hard Brexit."

The Populist Wave that began with Brexit ended with Trump. He killed it in its infancy, stopped it dead in its tracks. Whatever hope there was for a populist wave in Europe, that ended as soon as Europeans saw what we ended up with. Even associating with Trump is politically toxic now, as Theresa May can attest to, since her cozy relationship with Trump was used against her in the UK election.

[oladub]

Canadian news stories that showed up on the 4th. of July include:

A Canadian landlord, himself an immigrant from Africa, was fined $12,000 for not taking his shoes off when showing prospective tenants a unit occupied by Muslims because it violated their religious rights. https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...ticle34886303/

A former Guantanamo inmate who admitted killing a US soldier was given $8M by the Canadian government for wrongful imprisonment. http://abcnews.go.com/International/...khadr-48428847

[Richard]

Italy is deciding to close thier port to immigrants and refugees.

Turkey has moved non weaponized armored vehicles to block thier border.

Indonesia has clamped down on illegal immigration by enforcing the penalty for employers and 5 year prison terms,estimated 60,000 have left in the last 90 days causing labor shortages and increasing the adverage wage.

The UN is the clearing house so to speak for refugees,they collect them and then decides what country gets how many,it is not up to the individual country.

Many countries are now saying that it looks good on paper but the reality is you cannot detrimine who is a refugee and who is an economic refugee and are now starting to shut it down.

But here in the US when we do the same thing we get attacked by all the other countries that we have helped provide security for in the past,that is all forgotten and the attitude is what have you done for us today.

[noise]

http://news.groopspeak.com/canada-de...-announcement/

I think it is okay,no need to build that bridge now and save the Canadians billions sense they feel the US is so screwed up.She just put millions of American voters into the bridges opposition corner.

She went on to praise the U.S. for its role in the past but says voters in the last election have cast doubt on America’s ability to lead due to the person they put in the White House.

Maybe the voters that cast the doubt should make it easy on Canada and just avoid dealing with them at all.

Sorry Canada if you want to jump on the bandwagon,have a nice day.

At what point do you realize and admit you're wrong?

[rb336]

http://news.groopspeak.com/canada-de...-announcement/

I think it is okay,no need to build that bridge now and save the Canadians billions sense they feel the US is so screwed up.She just put millions of American voters into the bridges opposition corner.

That is perhaps the stupidest possible response to what Freeland said, especially since she simply spoke actual verifiable [[by Trump's own idiotic words and actions as well as the reaction of virtually all of our allies to him)

[Richard]

It is not that difficult to understand.

NATO was formed because there are smaller countries that were vulnerable to aggression,a formula was set to cover each countries share of contribution according to the income of the country.

The deal is if you have problems we have each other's back and agree to step in.

Canadas contribution was to be 2% of which 1% was being covered and pushing to lower that.

So who covers the rest?

We have been,okay fine freedom comes at a cost,if you want to enjoy that freedom without paying the price the very least one can do is refrain from chastiseing the host.

She is saying that it is time for Canada to pick up the slack because the US is shunning the world responsibility,that is not the case and how is saying to put up the agreed contribution or do not expect the leval of help.

If one buys insurance and does not pay for the policy does it stay in effect?

Some consider Columbia a third world country but yet they fulfill thier commitment and actually has a military commitment a bit larger then Canada.

[aj3647]

It is not that difficult to understand.

Apparently it is, given the rampant misrepresentation of the 2% of GDP requirement that I'm seeing on display here.

The "2% of GDP on defense" stipulation is not written into the NATO Treaty itself. It was set as a "target" at the 2014 NATO summit, to be worked towards over the span of a decade. It's a guideline, not a legally-binding requirement.

There is no formal penalty built in for nations that do no meet the requirement. Not meeting the requirement in no way abrogates the United States or any other NATO member from coming to that member's defense under Article V of the NATO Treaty.

If Canada doesn't meet that 2% spending requirement by 2024, gets attacked by Russia, and Donald Trump says "fuck you, we're not coming to your defense", then it will be Donald Trump and the United States that violated the terms of the NATO Treaty as it is written, not Canada.

It's like a bunch of co-workers setting a weight loss goal where everyone commits to losing 10lbs by the end of the year. There's no consequence if everyone else loses 10lbs but you don't. You don't get fired because you fell short of the goal.

If Trump feels so strongly about the 2% goal, then at the next NATO summit, he should formally submit to the alliance to amend the treaty to make the "2% of GDP on defense" a requirement of all members. Otherwise, you can't threaten to break a treaty obligation because someone didn't meet an arbitrary, completely-optional benchmark.

[GMan]

If Canada doesn't want to contribute adequately to it's defense than I guess it's their business. But you can guess their stance is based on the premise that the U.S. will bail them out due to their close alliance with the U.S.