Shots fired people injured at Fireworks...

[runnerXT]

^It certainly doesn't

Population of the city of London UK 8.8 million people and has about 100 murders a year
Population of the city of Detroit 680,000 people and has about 300 murders a year.

London is 13 times the size of Detroit

[bust]

Have you ever had a gun pointed at you? ... I have.

So have I. And if I had my own it would have done me no good because there was no time for me to have used it. In fact, it could have been disastrous. If the robber had seen I had one when I reached for my wallet in my front pocket as instructed there is a very good chance I would not be here today.

Crime — for both victim and criminal — is high stakes where guns are pervasive. Glad to have only lost my wallet.

The other time someone tried to rob me was in London. No gun. The robber left empty handed, with even less pride than he started with.

A lot of facts about gun deaths are presented in this summary of a study published last year in the American Journal of Medicine. I find the part in bold particularly interesting.

"Gun deaths are a serious public health issue in the United States and the scope of the problem is often difficult to illustrate. A new study published in The American Journal of Medicine lays out the risk in concrete terms. When compared to 22 other high-income nations, Americans are ten times more likely to be killed by a gun than their counterparts in the developed world. Specifically, gun homicide rates are 25 times higher in the U.S. and, while the overall suicide rate is on par with other high-income nations, the U.S. gun suicide rate is eight times higher.

In order to help put America’s relationship with guns into perspective, researchers from the University of Nevada-Reno and the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health analyzed mortality data gathered by the World Health Organization in 2010. Investigators found that despite having similar rates of nonlethal crimes as other high-income countries, the U.S. has much higher rates of lethal violence, mostly driven by extremely higher rates of gun-related homicides.

The study reveals some stark truths about living and dying in the United States. When compared to other high-income nations, as an American you are:

• Seven times more likely to be violently killed
  
• Twenty-five times more likely to be violently killed with a gun
  
• Six times more likely to be accidentally killed with a gun
  
• Eight times more likely to commit suicide using a gun
  
• Ten times more likely to die from a firearm death overall
  

Homicide is the second leading cause of death for Americans 15 to 24 years of age, and the third leading cause of death among those 25 to 34 years of age. Investigators found that for these two groups, the risk relative to their counterparts in other developed nations is alarmingly elevated. Americans 15 to 24 years of age are 49 times more likely to die from firearm homicide compared to similarly aged young people in other high-income nations. For those aged 25 to 34, the risk is 32 times higher.

“More than two-thirds of the homicides in the U.S. are firearm homicides and studies have suggested that the nongun homicide rate in the U.S. may be high because the gun homicide rate is high,” explained Erin Grinshteyn, PhD, Assistant Professor, University of Nevada-Reno, School of Community Health Science. “For example, offenders take into account the threat posed by their adversaries. Individuals are more likely to have lethal intent if they anticipate that their adversaries will be armed.”

Suicide is another source of gun deaths. While suicide rates for the U.S. are similar to those in other high-income countries, Americans are eight times as likely to take their own lives using a gun. Dozens of studies in the U.S. indicate that less access to guns would decrease both the U.S. gun suicide rate and our overall suicide rate.

“Differences in overall suicide rates across cities, states, and regions in the United States are best explained not by differences in mental health, suicide ideation, or even suicide attempts, but by availability of firearms,” explained study co-author David Hemenway, PhD, Professor, Health Policy at Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health and Director of the Harvard Injury Control Research Center and the Harvard Youth Violence Prevention Center. “Many suicides are impulsive, and the urge to die fades away. Firearms are a swift and lethal method of suicide with a high case-fatality rate.”

America’s love affair with firearms has dire consequences, especially when compared to outcomes in the rest of the developed world. Investigators found that despite having only half the population of the other 22 high-income nations combined, the U.S. accounted for 82% of all firearm deaths. In addition, the U.S. accounted for 90% of all women, 91% of children aged 0 to 14 years, and 92% of youth aged 15 to 24 years who were killed by firearms.

“Overall, our results show that the U.S., which has the most firearms per capita in the world, suffers disproportionately from firearms compared with other high-income countries,” noted Dr. Grinshteyn. “These results are consistent with the hypothesis that our firearms are killing us rather than protecting us.”"

Gun Deaths in U.S. Remain Highest Among High-Income Nations
https://www.elsevier.com/about/press-releases/research-and-journals/gun-deaths-in-u.s.-remain-highest-among-high-income-nations

Of course guns unfortunately are pervasive most places in the US. We cannot turn back the clock. I have no simple answer what we can do about that.

[Honky Tonk]

So have I. And if I had my own it would have done me no good because there was no time for me to have used it. In fact, it could have been disastrous. If the robber had seen I had one when I reached for my wallet in my front pocket as instructed there is a very good chance I would not be here today.

Crime — for both victim and criminal — is high stakes where guns are pervasive. Glad to have only lost my wallet.

The other time someone tried to rob me was in London. No gun. The robber left empty handed, with even less pride than he started with.

A lot of facts about gun deaths are presented in this summary of a study published last year in the American Journal of Medicine. I find the part in bold particularly interesting.

"Gun deaths are a serious public health issue in the United States and the scope of the problem is often difficult to illustrate. A new study published in The American Journal of Medicine lays out the risk in concrete terms. When compared to 22 other high-income nations, Americans are ten times more likely to be killed by a gun than their counterparts in the developed world. Specifically, gun homicide rates are 25 times higher in the U.S. and, while the overall suicide rate is on par with other high-income nations, the U.S. gun suicide rate is eight times higher.

In order to help put America’s relationship with guns into perspective, researchers from the University of Nevada-Reno and the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health analyzed mortality data gathered by the World Health Organization in 2010. Investigators found that despite having similar rates of nonlethal crimes as other high-income countries, the U.S. has much higher rates of lethal violence, mostly driven by extremely higher rates of gun-related homicides.

The study reveals some stark truths about living and dying in the United States. When compared to other high-income nations, as an American you are:

• Seven times more likely to be violently killed
  
• Twenty-five times more likely to be violently killed with a gun
  
• Six times more likely to be accidentally killed with a gun
  
• Eight times more likely to commit suicide using a gun
  
• Ten times more likely to die from a firearm death overall
  

Homicide is the second leading cause of death for Americans 15 to 24 years of age, and the third leading cause of death among those 25 to 34 years of age. Investigators found that for these two groups, the risk relative to their counterparts in other developed nations is alarmingly elevated. Americans 15 to 24 years of age are 49 times more likely to die from firearm homicide compared to similarly aged young people in other high-income nations. For those aged 25 to 34, the risk is 32 times higher.

“More than two-thirds of the homicides in the U.S. are firearm homicides and studies have suggested that the nongun homicide rate in the U.S. may be high because the gun homicide rate is high,” explained Erin Grinshteyn, PhD, Assistant Professor, University of Nevada-Reno, School of Community Health Science. “For example, offenders take into account the threat posed by their adversaries. Individuals are more likely to have lethal intent if they anticipate that their adversaries will be armed.”

Suicide is another source of gun deaths. While suicide rates for the U.S. are similar to those in other high-income countries, Americans are eight times as likely to take their own lives using a gun. Dozens of studies in the U.S. indicate that less access to guns would decrease both the U.S. gun suicide rate and our overall suicide rate.

“Differences in overall suicide rates across cities, states, and regions in the United States are best explained not by differences in mental health, suicide ideation, or even suicide attempts, but by availability of firearms,” explained study co-author David Hemenway, PhD, Professor, Health Policy at Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health and Director of the Harvard Injury Control Research Center and the Harvard Youth Violence Prevention Center. “Many suicides are impulsive, and the urge to die fades away. Firearms are a swift and lethal method of suicide with a high case-fatality rate.”

America’s love affair with firearms has dire consequences, especially when compared to outcomes in the rest of the developed world. Investigators found that despite having only half the population of the other 22 high-income nations combined, the U.S. accounted for 82% of all firearm deaths. In addition, the U.S. accounted for 90% of all women, 91% of children aged 0 to 14 years, and 92% of youth aged 15 to 24 years who were killed by firearms.

“Overall, our results show that the U.S., which has the most firearms per capita in the world, suffers disproportionately from firearms compared with other high-income countries,” noted Dr. Grinshteyn. “These results are consistent with the hypothesis that our firearms are killing us rather than protecting us.”"

Gun Deaths in U.S. Remain Highest Among High-Income Nations
https://www.elsevier.com/about/press-releases/research-and-journals/gun-deaths-in-u.s.-remain-highest-among-high-income-nations

Of course guns unfortunately are pervasive most places in the US. We cannot turn back the clock. I have no simple answer what we can do about that.

I neither condone or am against guns, but I am for stronger gun control. Everything you posted above is true, and then some. However, the genie is and has been out of the bottle for quite some time now, and you're never going to liquidate the guns that are out there unless everyone has a change of heart and gives theirs up voluntarily, ain't gonna happen. If you want a taste of what's out there, attend a gun show. I had the opportunity a few years ago, with a friend, who was really onto collecting and decided he'd had enough. I was stunned @ the amount of weapons @ one private club in one place, and there has to be thousands of these kinds of clubs around the country. The second thing you're up against is the gun lobbyists. This is a big time, money making operation, backed by powerful and wealthy people. They are not going to let go of their piece of the pie. No amount of facts, figures, or deaths, is going to change that. The third problem is people themselves. That's why I posted the link to Britain's growing acid attacks problem. WTF? You want to rob someone that badly you'll blind or disfigure them for life? No guns, just a certain kind of mentality some people have.