Ben Carson: poverty is a 'state of mind'

[oladub]

Carson is best known for saying... that Obama is worse than Hitler

I hope Carson didn't say that. Hitler was worse. My brief Google search didn't substantiate your claim but I might have missed something. Source?

[Bham1982]

I hope Carson didn't say that. Hitler was worse. My brief Google search didn't substantiate your claim but I might have missed something. Source?

I was wrong; he actually claimed that Obama was not worse than Hitler; just equally bad. Carson has repeatedly claimed "Obama is very much like Nazi Germany" [[direct quote). He thought Obama was worse than slavery, not Hitler.

http://www.salon.com/2015/09/30/the_..._said_partner/

It was Trump that claimed Obama was the worst leader in global history; worse than Hitler.

Gee, I feel much better now, given these are our "leaders".

[Richard]

I was wrong; he actually claimed that Obama was not worse than Hitler; just equally bad. Carson has repeatedly claimed "Obama is very much like Nazi Germany" [[direct quote). He thought Obama was worse than slavery, not Hitler.

http://www.salon.com/2015/09/30/the_..._said_partner/

It was Trump that claimed Obama was the worst leader in global history; worse than Hitler.

Gee, I feel much better now, given these are our "leaders".

Wow,my faith in humanity has been restored,you said OUR leaders.

So it is you coming to the realization or your slipping.

[Wesley Mouch]

On this we'll agree. It's bizarre logic, and I have no idea why anyone would think this way, but yes, Trump is clearly a change agent.

Not intentionally; he has no values or explicit policies, but the fact that we gave the most powerful position on earth to a lifelong grifter and reality TV host, and took the position from educated, experienced minds who love the country and its values, is certainly change.

It's like if you house has mold, so you decide to burn down the house. Or you win the lottery, but decide to flush the money down the toilet because you didn't win powerball.

Why that's better than the status quo is beyond me, but that's clearly the logic behind Trump. Change, regardless of type of change, is better than status quo, even if the status quo has the U.S. as the richest, most stable, most successful country in world history. Some people apparently like chaos.

Allow me a few moments to revel in agreement with Bham.... ah.... that feels great!

Nearly 1/2 the country was willing to vote in a marginal character rather than the anointed member of a political dynasty. Nearly 1/2 the country voted for almost certain chaos.

The ruling classes and intelligentsia really need to stop fighting Trump, and start figuring out why its more important to get bathrooms for the transgendered than to let the President temporarily ban travel from a few countries, as he basically promised his voters. We can all create some constitutional and legal logic behind fighting Trump on this -- but what our courts are really doing is fighting nearly 1/2 the voting population, who want action other than unconditional love applied to foreigners from places where death to the US is a rallying cry.

Our problems here aren't about immigration, or travel bans. Our problem is that the public doesn't trust politicians. Trump has some odd ideas. But he's far less dangerous than what may follow if right and left don't change business as usual. It will be changed for them.

[Richard]

"Out of chaos comes order"

[MikeyinBrooklyn]

Bham, what cult am I a member of?

[canuck]

"Out of chaos comes order"

Funny how chaos is invoked when all the Trumpets keep blaring is how broken the system already is.

So, what is it going to be: The Donald inherits disheveled White House and polishes up the real estate or The One Man demolition crew makes good?

Sorry I got sidetracked on a thread about Carson. I have to say about Carson that his creationist views versus pure science is enough of a warning signal to me. This reminds me of a talk I heard from a onetime Education Minister in Tunisia, a female mathematician who related how some clerics indicated to Scientists how Muhammad had already predicted all technical advances in the Qur'an. There always is the need to appease the snake worshippers in our midst, make momma happy or whatever.

[SyGolden48236]

The rest of your post is flat-out lies. Yeah, we really believe you have a Jewish black holocaust-surviving militant Trump cultist family. How incredibly convenient. Is there even one such family on the planet? They're illegal immigrants, gay, liberal and handicapped too, right?

But your incredibly unique family just LOVES Trump, so Trump can't be a bigoted d-bag, right? That gives you cover for your deplorable beliefs. Keep it up, cultist, this nightmare administration will not be long for this world., and those who chose cult over country will not be forgotten.

You obviously have some deep-seated problems that beg for professional help.

I really don't give a damn about what you believe but just to dispel your idiotic accusations regarding my family: We are not Holocaust survivors, I was born years after that terrible point in history had passed. My grandparents were, however, murdered by Adolf Hitler in the Holocaust, thanks for asking. Further, I have been married to my wife, a wonderful woman who happens to be black, for 25 years now. Our two children are indeed bi-racial. And we are proud that they are well-mannered [[unlike you), educated, thoughtful young adults. They are American born, heterosexual, conservative, and they are blessed to not be handicapped physically nor mentally. There, did I cover all of your foolish charges?

It is sad to watch somebody become so unhinged over the results of an election that they resort to flinging insane mindless insults and accusations at complete strangers.

Your hate and intolerance make you look quite silly.

[Tig3rzhark]

As much as I don't like Trump, this isn't why I created this thread.

I created this thread in hopes of getting thoughts and opinions on what Ben Carson was thinking in his head when he was making some of the statements that he has made since becoming Sec. of HUD.

Considering that he was also raised as a citizen of Detroit as well. I wonder if that his personal life experience makes him feel, that he is qualified to run this department.

Personally, I would disagree that personal life experience would be enough.

With Detroit "Making a Comeback", it is very important what the Department of Housing and Urban Development would have in mind for our city, considering that the mid and downtown are making improvements, while the rest of the city is seeing little to no improvements at all.

My biggest concern will be gentrification at this point. Over time, the prices will go up to the point that the majority of those that are the population, blacks, would be forced out of the city. Hence my greatest concern.

Will the 'Sec. of HUD' decide to form some type of strategy to keep those that have been living in Detroit from being forced out of their homes and apartments?

I hope that this question is something that will keep Ben Carson up at night. I'm sure that the statement that is in the title of this thread won't be the last controversial statement that he will make. However, I'm also sure, that if he would like to keep his job in 2020, that the amount of controversial statements that are diversionary, will be low from now on.

As a Detroiter, Ben Carson should be thinking hard about his decisions and their effects on the city of his birth.

[Wesley Mouch]

...My biggest concern will be gentrification at this point. Over time, the prices will go up to the point that the majority of those that are the population, blacks, would be forced out of the city. Hence my greatest concern.

Increased economic activity and reduced segregation are just some of the benefits of gentrification. We want people of all races and economic levels to live together.

Will the 'Sec. of HUD' decide to form some type of strategy to keep those that have been living in Detroit from being forced out of their homes and apartments?

Let's hope not, because if he does it will discourage investment and jobs in Detroit. And that would fall on the existing residents disproportionately.

...As a Detroiter, Ben Carson should be thinking hard about his decisions and their effects on the city of his birth.

Dr. Carson has the opportunity to bring together people. I urge resistance to maintaining the segregation that has oppressed black Detroiters. The market is bringing jobs, investment, and new ideas. The old divisive ideas such as resistance to gentrification need to be left in the past.

[Richard]

As much as I don't like Trump, this isn't why I created this thread.

I created this thread in hopes of getting thoughts and opinions on what Ben Carson was thinking in his head when he was making some of the statements that he has made since becoming Sec. of HUD.

Considering that he was also raised as a citizen of Detroit as well. I wonder if that his personal life experience makes him feel, that he is qualified to run this department.

Personally, I would disagree that personal life experience would be enough.

With Detroit "Making a Comeback", it is very important what the Department of Housing and Urban Development would have in mind for our city, considering that the mid and downtown are making improvements, while the rest of the city is seeing little to no improvements at all.

My biggest concern will be gentrification at this point. Over time, the prices will go up to the point that the majority of those that are the population, blacks, would be forced out of the city. Hence my greatest concern.

Will the 'Sec. of HUD' decide to form some type of strategy to keep those that have been living in Detroit from being forced out of their homes and apartments?

I hope that this question is something that will keep Ben Carson up at night. I'm sure that the statement that is in the title of this thread won't be the last controversial statement that he will make. However, I'm also sure, that if he would like to keep his job in 2020, that the amount of controversial statements that are diversionary, will be low from now on.

As a Detroiter, Ben Carson should be thinking hard about his decisions and their effects on the city of his birth.

I am a bit confused as how it should be the directive of HUD to regulate,control or even be involved in the process of how Detroit moves forward.

How regenifcation plays out in the city is the responsibility of the city and its citizens.

In 2006 after Katrina and during the housing boom,HUD said no more mass "projects" and raised the minimum monthly allowance according to local rates.

There are new projects and apartments being rehabilitated posted here every day as of late,part of their funding process is clearly spelled out as HUD providing a percentage of those funds for a percentage of lower then market rate units.

HUD cannot force the private sector to retain rent controls but they can and do provide funding to offset the higher costs.

I am not sure why any federal government agency should be in the buisness of providing a blueprint of how the city operates,that is socialism.

The city residents elect a local form of government and have a direct say in how they move forward.That is a Democratic republic.

Why are you coming to the conclusion that Mr Carson = HUD = a massive scare tactic that HUD is throwing people from their homes,or rented property.

[Zacha341]

Back to Carson.... it seem he had a hard time selling his own house!

http://observer.com/2017/05/ben-cars...ch-house-sold/

[Richard]

Back to Carson.... it seem he had a hard time selling his own house!

http://observer.com/2017/05/ben-cars...ch-house-sold/

This is Fla where the only people that can offord a $900,000 house are disposed foreign diplomats,high level drug dealers and people moving from up north with sweet pension packages.

WPB is either you have a lot of money or you have no money there is no in between.

Instead of the facts right away it became a political agenda attack and people wonder why there is no trust in the media anymore.

[Tig3rzhark]

So there's an understanding of my concerns, I will post what is suppose to be HUD's mission:

HUD's mission is to create strong, sustainable, inclusive communities and quality affordable homes for all. HUD is working to strengthen the housing market to bolster the economy and protect consumers; meet the need for quality affordable rental homes; utilize housing as a platform for improving quality of life; build inclusive and sustainable communities free from discrimination, and transform the way HUD does business.

Now that this has been posted, let's take a look at its mission.

"build inclusive and sustainable communities free from discrimination"

Now that he is the Sec. of HUD, it is his responsibility to live up to the mission of the organization in which that he is the head of.

Since he is also in charge of urban development, it would help that all businesses, regardless of race, would be given equal chances to compete in their respective markets.

Unfortunately, even in a 80% Black city, there is little equality when it comes to the establishment of black businesses.

If gentrification is something that shouldn't be feared, then why is it that the people who want to own their own businesses that live here, aren't getting a fair shake?

[Richard]

So there's an understanding of my concerns, I will post what is suppose to be HUD's mission:

HUD's mission is to create strong, sustainable, inclusive communities and quality affordable homes for all. HUD is working to strengthen the housing market to bolster the economy and protect consumers; meet the need for quality affordable rental homes; utilize housing as a platform for improving quality of life; build inclusive and sustainable communities free from discrimination, and transform the way HUD does business.

Now that this has been posted, let's take a look at its mission.

"build inclusive and sustainable communities free from discrimination"

Now that he is the Sec. of HUD, it is his responsibility to live up to the mission of the organization in which that he is the head of.

Since he is also in charge of urban development, it would help that all businesses, regardless of race, would be given equal chances to compete in their respective markets.

Unfortunately, even in a 80% Black city, there is little equality when it comes to the establishment of black businesses.

If gentrification is something that shouldn't be feared, then why is it that the people who want to own their own businesses that live here, aren't getting a fair shake?

I think you are confusing words,HUD mission is to help provide housing to those that cannot afford it. Plain and simple.

That is their business per-say .

I am not sure how you are reading into that they are responsible for the setting up black businesses,they are not.

The only thing they say is if you are a black business and wish to contract with HUD or apply for HUD credits you will not be discriminated against.

If there is a house available in a neighborhood that uzlizes or excepts HUD funds you will not be discriminated against for race,color,or creed.

Strengthen the housing market to bolster the economy.

HUD was in charge of the hardest hit funds that were allocated to each city to,help those in foreclosure,help reimburse the city costs of boarding up homes and improving the overall look which increases the market value as a whole.

It was not their fault that cities,did not apply for the funds,used the funds for other then the intended use,used the funds to prop up the local government during the crash.

Hud is not in charge of urban development,they build projects or sub contract out projects that do not resemble or mimic in anyway the projects of the past.

HUD has not built personally a project ever as I am aware of.

HUD oversees all of this through your local housing agency,if you have a problem with them it is on them,it is thier responsibility to work with the city leaders for affordable housing and affordable housing only.

The city leaders and you as a citizen have the responsibility to have a plan,if you do not then it is not HUDs fault you are not acting in a responsible manner and insuring that the ones being helped are living in safe,rodent free and decent housing.

What has changed,and because the taxpayers are picking up the tab,if you and your housing authority is not doing your jobs then you and your houseing authority are fired.

HUD comes in and actually takes over,you do not want that,it is better to keep your ducks in a row on a local level.

HUD writes the checks for the taxpayer and are in essence the boss that sets the standards,and the police force for inforceing the rules,if you have a grief that does not get resolved through your houseing authority,then you escalate it to HUD directly.

The government agency that covers loans for black businesses would be the SBA or small business administration.Good luck with that because with them it does not matter what color you are,unless you have equal assets to back yourself it is hard to utilize them.

Do not know what to say on the small businesses aspect it is like everybody else in this country,if you do not have the start up capital then you have to make the sacrifices and scratch,bite,and claw your way up,Detroit does not have the lock on unfairness in this country it is everywhere.

But yet some still seem to rise above it.

If it was that easy then everybody would be in business and there would be no workers left.


How come the recent immigrants from China and Vietnam are successful and own businesses?

They come here with no money,5 families crowded in a cheap house,they all get the crappist jobs that they can right off the bat.

Every paycheck goes into a pile that pays the bills and slowly builds,when the pile is big enough for one family to start a buisness they do,the pile supports that business until it is successful,then that business adds the profits to the pile to help the next one in line,nobody takes a dime for extras or fancy anything until the whole group is set up in profitable businesses.

It may take 10 years but they do it.

[Bham1982]

I think you are confusing words,HUD mission is to help provide housing to those that cannot afford it. Plain and simple.

This is absolutely not HUD's mission. HUD is the federal agency responsible for revitalizing communities and providing affordable housing.

The agency does not have a housing-only focus, and the housing provided is not only for those who cannot afford market housing. It's a much, much broader mandate.

HUD plays a HUGE role in disaster assistance [[Katrina, Sandy and the like) and rebuilding communities through urban renewal block grants. They also administer public housing agencies, but only to the extent of local buy-in. In MI we think public housing is a commie plot so HUD doesn't do much with govt. housing. In places like NYC, SF, Boston, HUD plays a much bigger role, since those localities have lots of govt. housing.

In any case, Carson doesn't have the qualifications to be washing dishes at a Coney Island, to say nothing of managing a complex federal agency.

[Richard]

This is absolutely not HUD's mission. HUD is the federal agency responsible for revitalizing communities and providing affordable housing.

The agency does not have a housing-only focus, and the housing provided is not only for those who cannot afford market housing. It's a much, much broader mandate.

HUD plays a HUGE role in disaster assistance [[Katrina, Sandy and the like) and rebuilding communities through urban renewal block grants. They also administer public housing agencies, but only to the extent of local buy-in. In MI we think public housing is a commie plot so HUD doesn't do much with govt. housing. In places like NYC, SF, Boston, HUD plays a much bigger role, since those localities have lots of govt. housing.

In any case, Carson doesn't have the qualifications to be washing dishes at a Coney Island, to say nothing of managing a complex federal agency.

So hold your breath while you are waiting for HUD to come in and sweep through the neighborhoods revitalizing them.

They provide a group of funds under different circumstances,it is up to the local government to accept and disperse those funds in a set time limit or those funds are returned.

You have already seen locally where the funds were not applied before the deadline,were not used for intended purposes,,and just kinda disappeared.

People do not see HUD as a commie plot,they are smart enough to know any government monies recieved comes with strings attached,and have a hard time coming to grips with haveing to work two jobs in order to enjoy the nicer things in life and being able to afford a nicer house and the person next door that does not work but enjoys the same.

If you need some extra cash maybe you can give him a call and now his grass for him.

[canuck]

This is absolutely not HUD's mission. HUD is the federal agency responsible for revitalizing communities and providing affordable housing.

The agency does not have a housing-only focus, and the housing provided is not only for those who cannot afford market housing. It's a much, much broader mandate.

HUD plays a HUGE role in disaster assistance [[Katrina, Sandy and the like) and rebuilding communities through urban renewal block grants. They also administer public housing agencies, but only to the extent of local buy-in. In MI we think public housing is a commie plot so HUD doesn't do much with govt. housing. In places like NYC, SF, Boston, HUD plays a much bigger role, since those localities have lots of govt. housing.

In any case, Carson doesn't have the qualifications to be washing dishes at a Coney Island, to say nothing of managing a complex federal agency.

He doesn't want to qualify for a dishwasher position, he's a brain surgeon for chrissakes. Prom is, he thinks Tinkerbelle holds his hand when he scalps his patients.

[Richard]

He doesn't want to qualify for a dishwasher position, he's a brain surgeon for chrissakes. Prom is, he thinks Tinkerbelle holds his hand when he scalps his patients.

And here all of this time I thought Tinkerbell was in charge of the unicorn uber rides in Canada,which is the world standard on how to properly run a country.

Learn something new every day.

[Wesley Mouch]

This is absolutely not HUD's mission. HUD is the federal agency responsible for revitalizing communities and providing affordable housing.

I don't think the term 'affordable house' existed when HUD was created. Its a meaningless political term anyway.

In any case, Carson doesn't have the qualifications to be washing dishes at a Coney Island, to say nothing of managing a complex federal agency.

Thanks for sharing your informed and intelligent position on Dr. Carson. I'm sure he thinks well of you too.

[3WC]

Bham 1932 isn't serious. No reasonable person could possibly hold the views he does and articulate them in such a rude, crude, amateurish manner unless he was acting the fool on purpose in order to rile the other posters on the threat. Class clowns are generally funny, but not Bham. Ignore him unless one is starved for amusement.