Manchester England hit by terrorism!

[Zacha341]

Bomb goes off @ Manchester Arena at conclusion of Ariana Grande Concert

This is so cowardly!

Deaths confirmed.... http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-manchester-40007886

Manchester England hit by terrorism! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ter-Arena.html

[Honky Tonk]

Bomb goes off @ Manchester Arena at conclusion of Ariana Grande Concert

This is so cowardly!

Deaths confirmed.... http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-manchester-40007886

Manchester England hit by terrorism! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ter-Arena.html

Disgusting bastards.

[Zacha341]

Update: Lastest news broadcast from the UK.......

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...hing-know-far/

[Richard]

It is not cowardly because they are doing what they really believe in,we become complacent when we know what is going to happen but choose to do nothing for fear of offending when the facts are provided for us time and time again.

We expect others to do the right thing but in their minds,they are,and this is what people cannot wrap their minds around.

[Johnnny5]

It is not cowardly because they are doing what they really believe in,we become complacent when we know what is going to happen but choose to do nothing for fear of offending when the facts are provided for us time and time again.

Bullshit... No matter their beliefs, purposely targeting unarmed civilians is COWARDLY!

[Maof]

Bullshit... No matter their beliefs, purposely targeting unarmed civilians is COWARDLY!

especially innocent children!

[Richard]

Bullshit... No matter their beliefs, purposely targeting unarmed civilians is COWARDLY!

Okay,call them a coward and throw a rock at them.

People have a hard time understanding that they are at war and in time of war everybody is a target and throughout history civilians are targeted.

They do not view people as unarmed citizens they view them as targets of opportunity and the enemy that needs to be eliminated,they do not care,man,woman or child and we make it easy for them buy putting up lawsuits and crying out for compassion instead of due diligence.

Call them a coward,shed a tear for those that are lost but until we take the gloves off and deal with it they will continue to be at war taking as many as they can on their way out.

It takes anything but a coward to strap a bomb to ones chest and give ones life to their cause,the problem is most do not understand that they do not care what you call them as their only goal in life is to elimate you.

[Honky Tonk]

It takes anything but a coward to strap a bomb to ones chest and give ones life to their cause

It takes a brainwashed, ideological, social misfit, loser, is what it takes, Richard. Killing children @ a rock concert. How pathetic. Trump described them perfectly @ today's news conference. You are right, though, we are @ war.

[Zacha341]

Yes, it IS possible to be at war even if you are NOT responding, effectively.

....You are right, though, we are @ war.

[Richard]

England has 8000 known jihadists,only 7 are on the watch list because public opinion dissolved the funding.

London has 18,000,000 residents.
Manchester has 2,000,000 residents but has 5 times the number of unvetted refugees.

When Manchester politicians were seeking funding to defray the costs of supporting the nonvetting process the comment was that compassion overrides the consequences.

Amercians have also made it clear that compassion overrides consequences.

I do not think that they are cowards,I think that they should be dropped where they stand with no predjuice and until that happens we are bound by public opinion and a set of morals going against a group that does not know the meaning.

Yesterday in Tampa there were 5 roommates that were far right nazies,all with the same views.

Over the course of a month one decided to convert to jihadist so he went home and killed the other 4 because they did not follow his beliefs.

Want to get rid of fanatics,drop the PC crap and eliminate them,and do not throw roadblocks in front of the very people that are trying to do that.

[noise]

England has 8000 known jihadists,only 7 are on the watch list because public opinion dissolved the funding.

London has 18,000,000 residents.
Manchester has 2,000,000 residents but has 5 times the number of unvetted refugees.

When Manchester politicians were seeking funding to defray the costs of supporting the nonvetting process the comment was that compassion overrides the consequences.

Amercians have also made it clear that compassion overrides consequences.

I do not think that they are cowards,I think that they should be dropped where they stand with no predjuice and until that happens we are bound by public opinion and a set of morals going against a group that does not know the meaning.

Yesterday in Tampa there were 5 roommates that were far right nazies,all with the same views.

Over the course of a month one decided to convert to jihadist so he went home and killed the other 4 because they did not follow his beliefs.

Want to get rid of fanatics,drop the PC crap and eliminate them,and do not throw roadblocks in front of the very people that are trying to do that.

Strong supporter of the internment of Japanese Americans in the 40s?

The "PC crap" to which you refer is basic respect, human rights, and real American values.

But hey, Trump is a fan of Duterte, too. And we live in a world where Trump's description of the terrorists is "perfect" and not dismissed for the 3rd grade childishness it actually is.

[Richard]

Strong supporter of the internment of Japanese Americans in the 40s?

The "PC crap" to which you refer is basic respect, human rights, and real American values.

But hey, Trump is a fan of Duterte, too. And we live in a world where Trump's description of the terrorists is "perfect" and not dismissed for the 3rd grade childishness it actually is.

When Mr Bush took the gloves off there was an estimated 7000 extremist jihadists,Mr Obama put the gloves back in because people could not understand what the term radical ment.

In those eight years the 7000 becomes now an estimated 30,000,
how is that working out?

Not sure where you are getting the whole fan of Duterte aspect other then the misunderstanding of how things work in the international realm or what our past and present role in the Philippines is.

Personaly I would prefer to tell them to piss off but that whole elephant in the room of China, kinda throws a wrench in the works.

Do you really believe what happened in Manchester and what is actually happening in this country in a smaller scale weekly but is being scrubbed by the media is comparable to 3 grade childishness?

If you want to protect them then host them in your house,put an ad on the internet telling them that you will offer free room and board to any jidahist seeking sanctuary.

See how easy that is.

Basic human rights apply to those who reciprocate,according to them the only human right you have is the right to die and they will be more then happy to accommodate.

[noise]

When Mr Bush took the gloves off there was an estimated 7000 extremist jihadists,Mr Obama put the gloves back in because people could not understand what the term radical ment.

In those eight years the 7000 becomes now an estimated 30,000,
how is that working out?

Not sure where you are getting the whole fan of Duterte aspect other then the misunderstanding of how things work in the international realm or what our past and present role in the Philippines is.

Personaly I would prefer to tell them to piss off but that whole elephant in the room of China, kinda throws a wrench in the works.

Do you really believe what happened in Manchester and what is actually happening in this country in a smaller scale weekly but is being scrubbed by the media is comparable to 3 grade childishness?

If you want to protect them then host them in your house,put an ad on the internet telling them that you will offer free room and board to any jidahist seeking sanctuary.

See how easy that is.

Basic human rights apply to those who reciprocate,according to them the only human right you have is the right to die and they will be more then happy to accommodate.

I'm not certain you read and understood anything I posted.

You have a very peculiar idea about basic human rights. I would suggest spending more time reading and listening and less time speaking.

[Richard]

I'm not certain you read and understood anything I posted.

You have a very peculiar idea about basic human rights. I would suggest spending more time reading and listening and less time speaking.

I understand and what you posted and your mindset probably better then you do.

You do not get to deny others of their basic human rights and expect a free pass out of compassion,just ask Hitler how well that worked out.

It is your decision to support them and you will have to be the one that lives with the blood on your hands,sadly it all ways seems to be the innocent ones that suffer.

So that is where we stand,you would rather give hugs and kisses and compassion to those who's only goal in life is to kill you and your fellow Americans and myself that prefers a delivery of a 7.62 before they get that chance to.

So you will always be hiding behind the skirts of those that put themselves in harms way to protect this country and its citizens ,that mindset has always, both at home and overseas,has done nothing but get people needlessly killed.

They have already decided in this game on human rights and there are none,they chose the path and gave up those rights.

[GMan]

Strong supporter of the internment of Japanese Americans in the 40s?

The "PC crap" to which you refer is basic respect, human rights, and real American values.

But hey, Trump is a fan of Duterte, too. And we live in a world where Trump's description of the terrorists is "perfect" and not dismissed for the 3rd grade childishness it actually is.

There were Justified reasons outside of fear, for the internment of the Japanese in the 40's including the real possibility of invasion. Looking back and quarterbacking after the fact can't encompass the emotion of the moment. Hell we lost most of the Pacific fleet at Pearl Harbor.

So if a name is on a watch list why not intern the individual and let the investigative process unwind. I would like that better then what we have now. Yeah...we had him in our sights but he told us he was just taking a sunny holiday back in Libya.... Sorry for the loss of your loved ones....but hey make sure you take off your shoes and submit to a full body scan so you can fly to visit family in Wisconsin...

[noise]

There were Justified reasons outside of fear, for the internment of the Japanese in the 40's including the real possibility of invasion. Looking back and quarterbacking after the fact can't encompass the emotion of the moment. Hell we lost most of the Pacific fleet at Pearl Harbor.

So if a name is on a watch list why not intern the individual and let the investigative process unwind. I would like that better then what we have now. Yeah...we had him in our sights but he told us he was just taking a sunny holiday back in Libya.... Sorry for the loss of your loved ones....but hey make sure you take off your shoes and submit to a full body scan so you can fly to visit family in Wisconsin...

So the justified reasons outside of fear was the fear of invasion? What?

Being on a watch list is not the same as being convicted of a crime. False imprisonment is to be avoided. Why are you so opposed to basic, fundamental values of our justice system?

[Honky Tonk]

So the justified reasons outside of fear was the fear of invasion? What?

Being on a watch list is not the same as being convicted of a crime. False imprisonment is to be avoided. Why are you so opposed to basic, fundamental values of our justice system?

Why are you so opposed to not getting a nut, bolt, or ball bearing shot though your forehead?

[GMan]

So the justified reasons outside of fear was the fear of invasion? What?

Being on a watch list is not the same as being convicted of a crime. False imprisonment is to be avoided. Why are you so opposed to basic, fundamental values of our justice system?

Yes fear of invasion was real, with the unknown factor of Japanese families in America providing intel data to the Japanese army. The US Navy was decimated and couldn't defend the coast. Also at the time the US military ranked about 19th in the world. But hey you would've known better and done nothing back then.

As for the watch list, what is its purpose if not to detain suspected terrorists before an attack? You can detain an individual for a time before pressing charges.
The wait and see attitude is costing innocent lives.

[oladub]

Strong supporter of the internment of Japanese Americans in the 40s?

The "PC crap" to which you refer is basic respect, human rights, and real American values.

But hey, Trump is a fan of Duterte, too. And we live in a world where Trump's description of the terrorists is "perfect" and not dismissed for the 3rd grade childishness it actually is.

When Japan killed 2,500 at Pearl Harbor, FDR halted immigration from all Axis countries. When mostly Saudi Islamists killed 3,000 on 9/11, Bush set up a deal allowing thousands of additional Saudis to attend US schools. I'm not a fan of detention but FDR's temporary immigration measure made more sense than what Bush and Obama did. Salmon Abedi had Al Queda ties which brings us back to 9/11 and basic math.

"Poland and Hungary and Slovakia do not have Islamic terrorism because they have very little Islam. France and Germany and Belgium admit more and more Islam, and thus more and more terrorism." -Mark Steyn

[Zacha341]

As the 'persons' of interest are not addressed or processed [[only noted after the fact - after they act), IMO if we start to have more pop-up terrorism here, the response is going to turn very harsh and broad spectrum.

If this goes down for sure innocent people will be questioned with possibly detainments therein. Because the republicans are in now this will of course be branded as solely a "what they do" response since we have Trump as pres. et al.

However, former president Obama [[despite his unyielding reticence) would have eventually had to respond -- or people taking matters into their own hands.

The will to survive ultimately thwarts politics, or give birth to a new politic!

[G-DDT]

Strong supporter of the internment of Japanese Americans in the 40s?

The "PC crap" to which you refer is basic respect, human rights, and real American values.

But hey, Trump is a fan of Duterte, too. And we live in a world where Trump's description of the terrorists is "perfect" and not dismissed for the 3rd grade childishness it actually is.

I agree.

Now as to the story mentioned in Tampa-here are the correct reports of the two young Neo-Nazi roommates killed [[not five as one here clearly misreported) by a roommate and supposed convert:http://heavy.com/news/2017/05/brando...zi-explosives/, http://heavy.com/news/2017/05/devon-...k-photos-isis/, and http://heavy.com/news/2017/05/jeremy...m-islam-tampa/.

What we are seeing is more of a trend of young, disaffected men getting pulled into a violent scenario perpetrated by extremist behavior from one end of the political spectrum or another. In the case of the Manchester bomber, Abedi, his family fled persecution from Libya under Qaddafi. They were outspoken against ISIS as was the Imam at the mosque he attended. http://heavy.com/news/2017/05/salman...er-abu-ismail/ Yet, they get harassing threats by all the hooligans and EDL types from that area.

Bringing up Duterte https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodrigo_Duterte is highly relevant seeing as he is not a young, confused man, but the leader of a nation who hates Catholics, has death squads killing petty street criminals and street children [[even a 12 yo. attending Christmas Mass caught by stray bullets https://qz.com/872379/at-christmas-m...e-philippines/), supports Trump [[and he likewise supports him https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...=.fabb4cfb60b7), and thinks it's okay to have his men rape women https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.44c23d394ab5. He is a murderous dictator and Catholics are exposing him https://qz.com/919605/a-catholic-chu...e-philippines/.

[Richard]

I agree.

Now as to the story mentioned in Tampa-here are the correct reports of the two young Neo-Nazi roommates killed [[not five as one here clearly misreported) by a roommate and supposed convert:http://heavy.com/news/2017/05/brando...zi-explosives/, http://heavy.com/news/2017/05/devon-...k-photos-isis/, and http://heavy.com/news/2017/05/jeremy...m-islam-tampa/.

I did not misreport anything,there was a total of 5 roommates,the news on the day was reporting was that 4 were shot and they included photos of the guys girlfriend standing along side of him who was also a room mate.

But no longer mentioned,I did say it was scrubbed reporting.
The first news that gets reported is always sensationalized to gather viewers.

[Richard]

Pretty much through history this country has been more of a reactionary force based on public opinion and until it hits close to home it is somebody's else's problem.

It costs many American lives to realize when it becomes our problem,they are randomly selected and it always happens to the other guy.I am the other guy to somebody else is a misunderstood concept.

We also overlook things when it becomes our benefit,in the last couple of years China had systematically killed our spies over there,not expelled but killed as in dead.But yet the American public still shows our support to them by pumping billions into their economies.

You cannot show distain for the dissolution of human rights on one hand but yet show unbridled support to another country that also provides little human rights on their own country,it is hypocritical,and it dissolves the basic human rights argument as a basis in a discussion.

Lots of nasty stuff going on in the world that most do not even want to know about,that is the cost of the freedoms that we take for granted,it is not free nor has it ever been.

[Richard]

It is another war like Vietnam,a war being fought based on public opinion.We want you to protect us,here is a rifle but we keep the bullets and you can have them when we decide.

In the late 70s we still could not walk down the street or through an airport in uniform without getting spit on.We used to hide civilian clothes off base and change to be able to walk around in peace and hope we did not get caught and end up in the brig because there were rules against that.

And that was in the states.

[Richard]

Sky news is reporting there are 25,000 jahadist now in the U.K. alone.

5000 are considered a credible threat and are under constant scrutiny,the remaining 20,000 are under the potential threat category,which does not meen that they will go blow somebody up,just that there is the possibility that they may be supseptable to radcialiazion.

They do not have the resources to keep up with the other 20,000,they mentioned that 60% that they are aware of came into the country via the refugee program and were unable to be vetted because of to many at the same time overwhelming the system.

The bomber assembled the bomb at a cost of 65£ or kinda like $75 useing screws,nuts and bolts and a backpack purchased locally and a Internet video shared online.