3 Killed with AR-15 in Oklahoma Mass Shooting.

[Lowell]

With 15,000+ murders per year in the USA and at least 85% of America either claiming to be Christians or being brought up Christian, there are a whole lot of Christian on Christian killings. The Charleston Church massacre was just the ugly encapsulating anecdote to this.

So who should one be afraid of most in the USA, being murdered by a Moslem or a Christian? The math says the latter by a huge margin but we're told to work about "Radical Islamic Terrorism"?

Now a lot of Christians would rightfully argue that Christians who murder are the exception and not true Christians, yet many of the same people have difficulty making the same conclusions for Moslems.

[oladub]

With 15,000+ murders per year in the USA and at least 85% of America either claiming to be Christians or being brought up Christian, there are a whole lot of Christian on Christian killings. The Charleston Church massacre was just the ugly encapsulating anecdote to this.

So who should one be afraid of most in the USA, being murdered by a Moslem or a Christian? The math says the latter by a huge margin but we're told to work about "Radical Islamic Terrorism"?

Now a lot of Christians would rightfully argue that Christians who murder are the exception and not true Christians, yet many of the same people have difficulty making the same conclusions for Moslems.

The way the New York Times went about dealing with this was to determine how many killings were ideological killings based on religion with two categories: Muslim and non-Muslim. That left out the majority of murders stemming from family fights, drinking, gangs, money, etc.. When the NY Times did this about a year ago after the husband-wife San Bernardino mass murders, the answer was that Non-muslims had committed 48 murders for ideological reasons since 9/11 and Muslims had committed 45 murders in the US for ideological reasons since 9/11. Adding 9/11, and why not, changes the equation to 48 vs. 3,045 over that time period. Muslims constitute 1% of the US population. You can check my math but that means that on a per capita basis, Muslims in the US were over 6,000 times more likely to have committed ideologically based murder in the US in the time period commencing on 9/11 through the NY Times article being published.

Caveats: Most Muslims are still nice or ok people. Also, your point is well taken that if all murders is the set, nominal Christians kill a lot more people than Muslims, Buddhists, and everyone else put together. However, my guess is that unlike most murderers, Mohammed Atta would have used WMD's had he been able to access them. So will the next well financed Mohammed Atta. Politicians like W. Bush and Obama who lied and violated the Constitution to destroy Iraq, Syria, and Libya are responsible for hundreds of thousands of Arab deaths [[if you are counting murders) and created millions of Arab refugees. Reasonable ways to address all of this are to support refugee camps, stop intervening, and help pay for the rebuilding of the mess the US helped create. With Trump's rocket attack on Syria, he is off on the wrong foot too.