Hudson's Site Building Thread

[Richard]

Most of the southern roads are newer as older industrialized cities have had roads around 100 years,apples to apples.

[bigboat]

Watched today's You Tube video and did not see a lot of progress at all. Less than 10 construction workers doing their job in the pit. Must not have a decision yet on what they are building. This continues to amaze me, no decision as to what they are building and here it is September, 2019. This whole scenario of starting at 734', then 800', then 912' and now we don't know what they are building or just what it will be. Has the Detroit market changed so dramatically in the last year that allows so much indecision. Bedrock market analysis must not have a concise picture of what the downtown Detroit will support. Hopefully, the next Bedrock announcement will be accurate, concise and hopefully everything will be in place. I see the Bedrock Book Tower renovation will include 6 floors of some sort of a hotel also as announced earlier and again this morning in the Detroit News.

[Jason]

The video for September 3rd shows them doing some work on a caisson hole, assembling some steel reinforcement, uncovering previous foundations, cutting out another floor section, doing some work on the back wall, removing some material from the site, and maybe some other things that I missed. They absolutely could be going faster, but they're definitely working.

It's very clear that they're pushing for something special. The height changes based on programming mix and negotiations with hotel operators.

The thing that has been determined is the foundations, and as a result the maximum size of the tower. Those have been determined because they need to be in order to build them. The rest of the tower doesn't have to be determined yet.

When you go out to dinner you don't need to know what you're ordering when you leave your house, you just need to know what restaurant you're going to.

[EGrant]

Just thinking about how we're going to have at least three more years of mindless debates on this thread; "July 6, 2021: the crew placed a bolt in the southwest corner of the building today, and based on my extensive background in internet commenting, I believe the bolt was backwards and the entire project is a fraud."

[bigboat]

EGrant - you are funny!

[Richard]

Just thinking about how we're going to have at least three more years of mindless debates on this thread; "July 6, 2021: the crew placed a bolt in the southwest corner of the building today, and based on my extensive background in internet commenting, I believe the bolt was backwards and the entire project is a fraud."

But in order to remove that bolt you have to .......... which causes another 6 months of delays.

That is construction,1 thing can cause delays but once they get the foundation done the rest should go up pretty quick.

When you look at the old days it did take over 3 years to build big stuff.

[jcole]

Originally Posted by 313WXSaying that Detroit is an equal comparison to a city 1/3 to half its size is absurd.


That would be like comparing San Antonio with Dallas. Yeah, they're both in Texas and they both have basketball teams, but that's about as far as the similarities go.

Dallas has 1.3 million people and 385 sq miles and San Antonio has 1.4 million and 465 sq miles.
How dissimilar is this really? Sounds fairly close to me.

[313WX]

Dallas has 1.3 million people and 385 sq miles and San Antonio has 1.4 million and 465 sq miles.
How dissimilar is this really? Sounds fairly close to me.

I'm pretty sure we're talking metro areas

[Seven&wyo]

I spent my childhood in Denver. It rarely freezes and we rarely got a white winter. Usually the snow would be gone pretty quickly, also Demver doesn't use salt they use sand for traction. Your constant shitting on a city you don't live in or like is getting old and pathetic.

[Jimaz]

I spent my childhood in Denver. It rarely freezes and we rarely got a white winter. Usually the snow would be gone pretty quickly, also Denver doesn't use salt they use sand for traction....

I too lived in Denver as a child long ago. Not able to drive at that age, I don't recall the pothole situation. I do recall that what snow there was did disappear fast. Adults claimed it was because the air was so dry [[sublimation?). There's also the adiabatic cooling/orographic lifting effect that causes precipitation to fall on the windward, rather than the leeward [[Denver) side of the Rockies.

[313WX]

...also Demver doesn't use salt they use sand for traction...

^^^Exhibit A as far as a lesson to learn from Denver.

Maybe if Detroit used sand to treat its roads like Denver, they wouldn't be nearly as abysmal.

[ParisianLesion]

Seriously already. Denver is just not a good comparison. Anyone who has spent time there knows they have a milder climate and significantly less harsh winters. Hell, one of the main things people who move to Denver say they like about the area is that it has all four seasons but more consistent, milder temperatures. It's a bad comparison ok? Yes, we have shit roads and, yes, they have seen more investment in the last few years to make them better. If we want a comparison let's talk about Minneapolis

[Seven&wyo]

The roads are a lot better but they don't take the beating the roads here do. People also drive less, but there is better transportation and less industry. I only remember freezing rain once when I was there and I had no idea what was going on.

[EGrant]

Food for thought:

Eighty Percent of Contractors Report Difficulty Finding Qualified Craft Workers to Hire

“Workforce shortages remain one of the single most significant threats to the construction industry,” said Stephen E. Sandherr, AGC’s chief executive officer. “However, construction labor shortages are a challenge that can be fixed, and this association will continue to do everything in its power to make sure that happens.”

https://www.agc.org/news/2019/08/27/eighty-percent-contractors-report-difficulty-finding-qualified-craft-workers-hire

[JDKeepsmiling]

Food for thought:

Eighty Percent of Contractors Report Difficulty Finding Qualified Craft Workers to Hire

“Workforce shortages remain one of the single most significant threats to the construction industry,” said Stephen E. Sandherr, AGC’s chief executive officer. “However, construction labor shortages are a challenge that can be fixed, and this association will continue to do everything in its power to make sure that happens.”

https://www.agc.org/news/2019/08/27/eighty-percent-contractors-report-difficulty-finding-qualified-craft-workers-hire

I can't even find someone to tile my bathroom in Plymouth. It is crazy out there for folks who actually have a trade.

[Metro25]

I can't even find someone to tile my bathroom in Plymouth. It is crazy out there for folks who actually have a trade.

Have you considered tiling it yourself? Laying tile is not difficult.

[Gistok]

I know some tradesmen who are on mandatory 12 hour days.

I know one company owner who is using his 18 yr. old son and stepson to help him out because he has tried for 2 years to find workers, but to no avail.

[wzer]

Ummm,can we get back on topic? Interesting stuff but not sure how the last page and a half has anything to do with the Hudson project.

[Dmberko11]

Ummm,can we get back on topic? Interesting stuff but not sure how the last page and a half has anything to do with the Hudson project.

Thank you!

[gumby]

Ummm,can we get back on topic? Interesting stuff but not sure how the last page and a half has anything to do with the Hudson project.

Yes... please.

[pocketchange]

Ummm,can we get back on topic? Interesting stuff but not sure how the last page and a half has anything to do with the Hudson project.

Hear ya go...

Businessman Dan Gilbert’s organization persuaded Detroit and state officials to give his development companies free land and hundreds of millions of dollars in tax incentives by promising to turn downtown into a walkable urban center with public plazas and a skyscraper that would be a “landmark destination.”
Bedrock chairman Dan Gilbert

But the city’s Downtown Development Authority and the Michigan Economic Development Corp. didn’t demand that Gilbert’s real estate and development company, Bedrock Detroit, document how it intended to finance construction of the skyscraper at the site of the former J.L. Hudson flagship store, and a 35-story office tower and four other buildings on the Monroe block.

https://www.freep.com/in-depth/news/investigations/2019/09/06/dan-gilbert-bedrock-projects/2207973001/

[Scottathew]

https://www.freep.com/in-depth/news/...ts/2207973001/

"Bedrock got nearly free land, millions in incentives — based on Dan Gilbert promises"

A very critical article of the favorable treatment of Gilbert\Bedrock with regard to tax subsidies.

[DetroitGuy423]

https://www.freep.com/in-depth/news/...ts/2207973001/

"Bedrock got nearly free land, millions in incentives — based on Dan Gilbert promises"

A very critical article of the favorable treatment of Gilbert\Bedrock with regard to tax subsidies.

I thought this article was a little weird as it felt it relied on a lot of speculation and outside commentators.

Also, why didn't we get a lengthy article like this about Little Caesars' and the promises Illitch made? Just some generic short ones and a few Op-Eds. At least Gilbert is making progress on the vision he has pitched for Downtown.

[Metro25]

I thought this article was a little weird as it felt it relied on a lot of speculation and outside commentators.

Also, why didn't we get a lengthy article like this about Little Caesars' and the promises Illitch made? Just some generic short ones and a few Op-Eds. At least Gilbert is making progress on the vision he has pitched for Downtown.

Freep has been targeting Bedrock and development downtown lately but their articles just say stuff we either already knew a long time ago or things that aren't really true. I think they're desperate for stories and this downtown development speculation must be getting them traffic on their site.

[DetroitSoldier]

This closely resembles the favorable treament in places like "The District Detroit" but Gilbert has actually done something with his freebies. I'm not saying it's okay...but at least there is some sort of positive development coming of them.