Hudson's Site Building Thread

[Gistok]

My whole reason in even mentioning a spire/mast and Cleveland has some historical facts that others aren't aware of.

From 1930 the year the 708 ft. Terminal Tower in Cleveland was built [[I believe it was 774 ft. with the pinnacle)... all the way until 1964... Cleveland has always boasted that they had the tallest tower in North America outside of NYC [[not even Chicago had a taller tower until at least the 1960s).

And with the building of the 888ft. Key Tower [[947 ft. with spire) built in 1991... Cleveland now boasts that they have the tallest tower "between" NYC and Chicago.

My question of a spire on the Hudson's Tower was partly as a response to Cleveland's 88 year boasting rights. Dan Gilbert has the basketball team in Cleveland, and also the Jack Casino in Cleveland [[that he is interested in divesting himself of). And that Casino is in the Terminal Tower complex [[which he doesn't own). His major other non-sports/non-gambling buildings are all in Detroit... which is why I was wondering if he had any intention of outdoing Cleveland in the building height area. There's no indication that this is his intention... but he keeps upping the height of the Hudson's Tower [[734 ft., 800 ft., 912 ft.).

It was in researching Cleveland's downtown history, where my suggestion for a spire to be taller than Cleveland came up.

If there is no reason for a radio tower [[spire) on top of the Hudson's Tower, then there shouldn't be one.

But when you look at a closeup of the latest design of the Hudson's Tower... it is covered in pinnacles.... But like the buildings eventual height... that too may change!

[1953]

Saw some steel going in at Hudson's yesterday.

[EGrant]

New [[official) renderings via Crain's.

https://www.crainsdetroit.com/proper...it-gets-taller

[Detroit Stylin]

New [[official) renderings via Crain's.

https://www.crainsdetroit.com/proper...it-gets-taller

I am so loving this project

[SpartanDawg]

I am so loving this project

I love the redesign of the one campus Martius building ground floor and street wall facing the Hudson site too. Much more interactive and pedestrian friendly!

[bragaboutme]

I'm loving it! The other renderings were good, but this will be a great fit for the Hudson's site. I'm glad my kids won't grow up remembering how downtown used to look and their kids won't have to grow up remembering how the neighborhoods used to look. Go Detroit!!

[Hypestyles]

.... so what are the prospects, if any, for further skyscraper-scale developments in the city?
Is the Hudson's project fully funded yet?

[Atticus]

.... so what are the prospects, if any, for further skyscraper-scale developments in the city?
Is the Hudson's project fully funded yet?

Monroe Block Phase 1
Monroe Block Phase 2

[Lowell]

Resurget Cineribus
[It will rise from the ashes]

Those Latin words adorn the flag of Detroit to celebrate the resolve of Detroiters after Detroit’s first great disaster—the fire of 1805—destroyed the city.

Detroit’s next destruction was less dramatic—a decades-long slow fire of social division and economic erosion that left the city in virtual and actual ashes. Several hundred thousand residences and businesses were destroyed and not replaced. Over one million citizens were lost to out-migration.

By October 24, 1998 Detroit’s once glamorous Downtown retail district lay gaunt and largely abandoned, a fate shared by its mighty 29-story J. L. Hudson Department Store when I photographed the final moments as it was reduced to dust.

A concrete slab sat there for the next two decades. It capped an underground parking lot and had I-beam protruding skyward, as if hoping for someone to build there

No one did—until now. Today, a yet-to-be-named 912 foot [will be Detroit’s tallest] residential-commercial tower is under construction. Moving outward from the site, every formerly-abandoned structure in Downtown Detroit is being restored, has plans to be restored or has been restored. The construction crane has replaced the wrecking ball.

As the saying goes “Resurget Cineribus”.

From my Facebook post today. Click the image above for a full screen view.

[EGrant]

Thanks to whoever merged this thread!

[dtowncitylover]

Was it someone here or someone on the various comment sections around town...

Traffic. Transit. People.

When the RenCen was built it was built along an artery that connected two freeways, built with plenty of parking nearby, and away from the historic heart of downtown.

However, this is smack dab in the middle of it all. But without much of a mass transit system and the narrow streets around, I'm wondering how this is going to affect traffic around downtown. All those people working, living, visiting the new tower and if we're still stuck in a 1960 mindset in 2024 I can only imagine the hell Woodward and Grand River is going to be with cars.

And sorry unsure how sustainable these little shuttles downtown can be running around carrying people who refuse to live closer to where they work to a parking lot a mile away? It's just silly!

BUILD TRANSIT ALREADY.

[iheartthed]

Was it someone here or someone on the various comment sections around town...

Traffic. Transit. People.

When the RenCen was built it was built along an artery that connected two freeways, built with plenty of parking nearby, and away from the historic heart of downtown.

However, this is smack dab in the middle of it all. But without much of a mass transit system and the narrow streets around, I'm wondering how this is going to affect traffic around downtown. All those people working, living, visiting the new tower and if we're still stuck in a 1960 mindset in 2024 I can only imagine the hell Woodward and Grand River is going to be with cars.

And sorry unsure how sustainable these little shuttles downtown can be running around carrying people who refuse to live closer to where they work to a parking lot a mile away? It's just silly!

BUILD TRANSIT ALREADY.

Wasn't the Ren Cen built over a commuter rail terminal?

[Ray1936]

I hope they are keeping an archaeological eye open while digging down.

[dtowncitylover]

Wasn't the Ren Cen built over a commuter rail terminal?

Next to. That wasn't well used and funded and closed in 84.

And the RenCen was built during Detroit's decline. Fewer and fewer people were going downtown as the years passed. Hudson's site is being built on as more and more people are coming and working downtown.

[Scottathew]

Thanks for merging the threads! Now we can all be on the same page!

Here are some pictures from around 3pm today:




Here's a close-up of an area of interest

[Gistok]

Next to. That wasn't well used and funded and closed in 84.

And the RenCen was built during Detroit's decline. Fewer and fewer people were going downtown as the years passed. Hudson's site is being built on as more and more people are coming and working downtown.

The trains at Renaissance Center... that went thru the Dequindre Cut....

[Danny]

OCP Quicken Loans and its best. This is 900ft+ Delta City building will have 90 stories?

[Lowell]

Thanks for the amazing update pictures 48307.

Does anyone know what the deepest point to which the building will be anchored will be? It must have to reach into bedrock right?

[Dexlin]

Bedrock the current foundations go down to, well...bedrock: 140 feet below ground level at the site, though they are already down like 40 feet in the pit. I imagine this simply means drilling more piles down to that depth.

I'd done a little research a few months back. Apparently, Detroit's bedrock isn't that deep, so it actually ends up costing less than in some other places where the bedrock is much deeper. The Hudson site is extra lucky since you already start at least 40 feet down already.

[Scottathew]

Hey folks! BIIIIG news! TAALLLLL NEWS! There is now a crane in place at the corner of Gratiot and Library! I'm not sure if the crane will be used for the One Campus Martius [[Compuware) expansion, the Hudson site, or perhaps both?

My normal pictures are from the 12th floor balcony, but I found that the 5th floor also has a great view with better perception of the height and depth within "the pit".

Today from the 5th floor:



Street level at Gratiot and Library:

[Dexlin]

Thanks! Yes, that is the crane for the One Campus Martius expansion.

[MrChrome]

I can now see this out my window!

[stasu1213]

The foundation is the part that sometimes take the longest. Once the steel beams start being pounded into the ground that we would see things moving quite fast and on schedule. I can't wait to see the American Flag finally fly on top of the structure showing the topping off of the building.
What will be in the tower part of this project? Offices, condos, both?

[NSortzi]

The foundation is the part that sometimes take the longest. Once the steel beams start being pounded into the ground that we would see things moving quite fast and on schedule. I can't wait to see the American Flag finally fly on top of the structure showing the topping off of the building.
What will be in the tower part of this project? Offices, condos, both?

Residential units and hotel space, possibly two separate hotels.

[Dexlin]

I do wonder if they are going to drive piles, or if the machine on site is not just for the tower crane that will rise here, but for the foundation for the entire site. In that case, they wouldn't be driving piles rather drilling auger cast piles.

Auger Cast in Place Grouted Piles are installed by rotating a continuous flight hollow shaft auger into the soil to a specified depth or to refusal. High strength sand cement grout is pumped through the hollow shaft as the auger is slowly withdrawn while slowly turning in a clockwise direction. The pile top is cleared of drill spoil, an 18 inch deep galvanized metal “can” is placed around the top of the pile and the pile is screened to remove contaminants. The pile is then dipped [[see Below) if necessary and the reinforcing steel, if required, is then inserted into the pile to the correct elevation. The resulting grout column hardens and forms an Auger Cast in Place Grouted Pile.

In any case, given the sheer size of this and the complicatedness of the two basement levels for the tower [[they'll include auto racks, two semi-truck elevators, a truck turntable to get them back to the elevator without having to try and turnaround), Bedrock has been very clear we're not going to see this thing reach street level for around 14 months.

As for the use, this has been convered multiple times in the media. The lower floors will have exhibition space, the rest of the tower will include two different hotels with about 250 apartment units between the two hotels.