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  1. #176

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    Statistically speaking, some of ya'll are religious and that is the primary determining factor on this issue. It doesn't matter if I brought it up, it is a factor in this debate and ignoring that is disingenuous.

    Healthcare should be universal, regardless of what the constitution says. If you are objective it is backwards to not have this as a right at the federal level instead of punishing those seeking healthcare. Interesting you mention a compromise with the religious folks considering the First Amendment seems to make clear that from of and from religion is important.

    Actually that video makes fun of conservatives more than christians. All of her assertions are about how Republican policies always seem to ignore the sanctity of life outside of this issue. Unless of course you are say that conservative and christianity are inextricably linked... almost like what I was saying....

    Also hard to feel too bad when the group you are saying is victimized holds control over the Supreme Court and is part of the litmus test for anyone who tries to run for office. When you are in power and controlling what women can do with their own bodies in many states I don't think your "group" is hurting that much. I thought it was conservatives that said freedom of speech is absolute and "f*ck your feelings"? Weird.

  2. #177

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    Doesn't the Democratic Party have a litmus test for Democrats interested in running for office? How many pro life Democrats are there? So it is ok for Democrats to withhold support for a pro life Democrat but it is horrific if the Republican Party supports politician wannabes who do?

    In your world, do Christians and others you don't agree with have a right to voice their views in the public forum?

    What you deem to be "Healthcare" to others means something else. It certainly does not support all pre natal health from the baby's point of view.
    Last edited by Warrenite84; March-28-24 at 05:58 PM.

  3. #178

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    The Supreme Court was liberal leaning for 50 years.

  4. #179

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warrenite84 View Post
    The Supreme Court was liberal leaning for 50 years.
    Aww. Those poor conservatives. They've been so insufficiently coddled for so many years. Don't they deserve even more coddling? Where's your heart, people?

    Adopt a billionaire! They're so, so, needy!
    Last edited by Jimaz; March-28-24 at 08:11 PM.

  5. #180

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    Quote Originally Posted by southen View Post
    Healthcare should be universal, regardless of what the constitution says. If you are objective it is backwards to not have this as a right at the federal level instead of punishing those seeking healthcare. Interesting you mention a compromise with the religious folks considering the First Amendment seems to make clear that from of and from religion is important.
    "regardless of what the Constitution says"? Some of us regard the Constitution rather than your opinion, as the law of the land. You can however amend the Constitution to make regulating healthcare and abortions, not always the same, to be federally delegated powers. It's scary realizing there are people who think they have a right to ignore the Constitution when means are available to change it. Things like wokeness and Marxism are secular versions of or very much like religion substitutes. One meaning of 'religion' found in the Oxford dictionary is "a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance".

    Quote Originally Posted by southen View Post
    Also hard to feel too bad when the group you are saying is victimized holds control over the Supreme Court and is part of the litmus test for anyone who tries to run for office. When you are in power and controlling what women can do with their own bodies in many states I don't think your "group" is hurting that much. I thought it was conservatives that said freedom of speech is absolute and "f*ck your feelings"? Weird.
    Talking about "what women can do with their own bodies", Democrats tried to expand registration for the Selective Service to include women . But men can shower in the women's locker room and women have no say about that according to the same folks who want to register women.
    Last edited by oladub; March-28-24 at 08:12 PM.

  6. #181

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimaz View Post
    Aww. Those poor conservatives. They've been so insufficiently coddled for so many years. Don't they deserve even more coddling? Where's your heart, people?

    Adopt a billionaire! They're so, so, needy!
    Not sure how all those conservative farmers and small town tradesmen who are conservative are coddled compared with let's say the future deadbeat management class that have their loans forgiven but I'll pick Elon Musk. You can have Soros, Sam Bankman-Fried and Zuckerberg. The pendulum has swung and Democrats are once again becoming the party of the rich.

  7. #182

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry Whalley View Post

    AI Trump Warns His Supporters
    AI Trump wants his supporters to know that supporting him comes with serious consequences. Very large consequences. Huge, throbbing consequences...
    Last edited by Jimaz; March-29-24 at 05:24 AM.

  8. #183

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    Quote Originally Posted by oladub View Post
    Not sure how all those conservative farmers and small town tradesmen who are conservative are coddled compared with let's say the future deadbeat management class that have their loans forgiven but I'll pick Elon Musk. You can have Soros, Sam Bankman-Fried and Zuckerberg. The pendulum has swung and Democrats are once again becoming the party of the rich.
    Claiming that the Democrats are the party of the rich is about as delusional as the pathetic attempt to claim that the GOP is better on civil rights because they were in 1861. [[Long before that pesky political realignment occurred and the Dixiecrats all fled to the GOP.)
    Last edited by DetroiterOnTheWestCoast; March-28-24 at 10:16 PM.

  9. #184

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    ^ not for nothing but do a search and you will find plenty of references where the Dems started becoming the party of the rich starting way back in 2014 and the richest politician who is worth over 3 billion - is a democrat,even your representative in Washington is comfortable at $130 million,after making $120 - $200k as a politician,wonder how she managed that and you do not see her hobnobbing with the homeless.

  10. #185

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    Quote Originally Posted by DetroiterOnTheWestCoast View Post
    Claiming that the Democrats are the party of the rich is about as delusional as the pathetic attempt to claim that the GOP is better on civil rights because they were in 1861. [[Long before that pesky political realignment occurred and the Dixiecrats all fled to the GOP.)
    I wrote that "The pendulum has swung and Democrats are once again becoming the party of the rich.". I did not write that "the Democrats are the party of the rich" as you incorrectly claimed. Becoming something is not the same tense as being something.

    Let's go back to the Civil War when Republicans were the progressives ending slavery and democrats were the old rich in the south who owned slaves. That all changed and by FDR's time, Democrats were championing working people. But as I put it, "the pendulum is swinging the other way". Billionaires are now split between the merchants' and industrialists' old wealth and the Silicon Valley new wealth. The first group being largely Republican and the second Democrats. All twenty of the richest zip codes vote blue. Democrats tried to regain the SALT tax deductions for the rich they enjoyed before Trump. Blue collar whites have become increasingly Republican going back to Reagan Democrats with an early epicenter in St. Clair Shores. Trump's share in the 2020 election of black, Hispanic, Asian-American was greater than his percentage of those groups in 2016. Meanwhile, upper middle class whites more than offset those Republican gains by moving into the blue column. Snooty Democratic rhetoric has increasingly delegated working whites as "a basket of deplorables", as 'uneducated' and we saw the cartoon Jimez posted stereotyping Republicans and Christians.

    More recently, Democrats have allowed the Country to be flooded with cheaper foreign labor, fentanyl, and pushed abortions. It is not a healthy environment for American workers. Since covid, the fastest growing labor group is immigrants while non immigrant jobs have declined. Tyson just laid off 1,400 worker and signed up to hire 2200 undocumented aliens once they are given working papers. Poor Americans pay scales will not go up in a job market flooded with cheaper foreign labor but the rich are reaping huge profits We cannot build housing fast enough to meet the needs of the numbers Biden is importing so housing prices will remain out of reach for working Americans while Blackrock, a company that contributes to Democrats, buys up new housing to rent out. I see trends supporting my statement that "the pendulum is swinging the other way".

    California, by the way, has the greatest wealth disparity in America, some of the highest taxes, largest state debt, and most expensive housing in the Nation. Maybe you should work on that.

  11. #186

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    Hah! I'm not understanding why this remains such a dem vs repub debate?

    It's clear that both parties have interests in [and have acted at the behest of] wealth building accrued to their highest fellow, fraternal elites.

    We see this aggregation of wealth and power in capitalism, and in socialism etc. despite the claims to the contrary. History bears this out.

    Once that's understood the tit-for-tat argument wanes and we can get down to the business of championing the actual interests of middle america [against the bi-costal elite left for example].

    Quote Originally Posted by oladub View Post
    Not sure how all those conservative farmers and small town tradesmen who are conservative are coddled compared with let's say the future deadbeat management class that have their loans forgiven but I'll pick Elon Musk. You can have Soros, Sam Bankman-Fried and Zuckerberg. The pendulum has swung and Democrats are once again becoming the party of the rich.
    Last edited by Zacha341; March-29-24 at 03:13 AM.

  12. #187

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    Yep. What's up with that?

    How do these 'policies' [what else should we call them? Omissions? Gaffs?] advance anything for our communities.

    Incoherent to think they do.

    Eventually this madness will reach Detroit.

    With organizations such as PP pulling up the rear.

    Quote Originally Posted by oladub View Post
    More recently, Democrats have allowed the Country to be flooded with cheaper foreign labor, fentanyl, and pushed abortions. It is not a healthy environment for American workers. Since covid, the fastest growing labor group is immigrants while non immigrant jobs have declined. Tyson just laid off 1,400 worker and signed up to hire 2200 undocumented aliens once they are given working papers...
    Last edited by Zacha341; March-29-24 at 03:57 AM.

  13. #188

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimaz View Post
    AI Trump Warns His Supporters


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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry Whalley View Post
    This is going to put Bad Lip Reading out of business.
    Last edited by Jimaz; March-29-24 at 05:25 AM.

  16. #191

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zacha341 View Post
    Yep. What's up with that?

    How do these 'policies' [what else should we call them? Omissions? Gaffs?] advance anything for our communities.

    Incoherent to think they do.

    Eventually this madness will reach Detroit.

    With organizations such as PP pulling up the rear.

    Uncle Joe didn't like the way the election was going, so he imported new voters. Why not? It's not his money going down the tubes. He's raising taxes.

  17. #192

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    Good examples of incoherent inconsistency! There are many.

    'Women's Bodies & Bodily Autonomy IS Precious... 'Til they AIN'T.....

    Women have ceded much ground at the throne of woke ideologies.

    Incoherent! Even many feminists remain silent and bound in their obligatory intersectional allyship [against their own original, and hard won interests].

    Yet we women at large [Detroit and beyond] have the numbers in key places to say NO - Turning much of this handling and hypocrisy around in a day!

    Quote Originally Posted by oladub View Post
    ...Talking about "what women can do with their own bodies", Democrats tried to expand registration for the Selective Service to include women. But men can shower in the women's locker room and women have no say about that according to the same folks who want to register women.

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