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[oladub]

You're lying, again. None of your links support your made-up figure.

For now the third time, 70% of undocumented immigrants come via tourist visa or other legal means, which is exactly what your links say, and is just what Melania did. How can you post a link and then just claim a made-up number and not expect to be called out?

Also, I noticed you're now trying to further confuse the issue by using language around all living undocumented immigrants, rather than recent arrivals. It's quite clear you aren't having reading comprehension issues but are actively seeking to mislead, as if a wall in 2019 would somehow prevent a Mexican from crossing the border in 1950.

Everyone knows that historic arrivals were more heavily weighted towards foot crossings, but that has zero to do with border security today. Not one person will be deported due to a wall, obviously; the only relevance is current migration patterns.

Bham, For the third time. There are two numbers found in both your link and my link; 42% and 66%, not 70%. 70% is the imaginary number you keep interjecting. 42% is the percentage of illegal aliens presently living in the U.S. who overstayed their visas. 66% has to do with the percentage of immigration infractions, not the percentage of illegal aliens living here.

"Not one person will be deported due to a wall". I agree with you on that - not that anyone ever claimed that. Since this is the Trump World column, I'll note that Trump now seems agreeable to fences replacing his promised walls. Let's see if Democrats will agree to that concession to reopen government or if they remain unwilling to provide more than lip service to border security and prefer to keep the government shut down. So far, North Korea's Kim has proven to be a more reasonable, flexible and sincere negotiator than Democrats.

[aj3647]

Maybe its in the same pile of promises with "you can keep your own doctor", the average American family's health car premiums will go down $1,500 when they went up $2,500 instead, or if I'm elected, the first thing I will do is bring the troops home from Iraq. Obama is in the past but what are the options today? Democrats aren't advocating a wall or any improvements in border protection. Trump is talking about extricating us from the mess that Obama involved us in in Syria. I don't hear any Democrats except Tulsi Gabbard and maybe Bernie Sanders suggest getting out. Border security and bringing troops home are more Trump's policies. Democrats offer Trump derangement syndrome as a substitute for policy. 15,000 people are said to be packing up for the next caravan while Democratic policies are requiring ICE to be dumping thousands of naturalization law felons on local taxpayers and providing less money, after inflation, for protecting our borders. Democrats' refusal to compromise on border security [[$2,5B of high tech border fencing instead of Trump's $5B of wall anyone?) make Democrats more responsible for the government shutdown.

Todays headlines on Drudge:
JOBS UP BIG!
+312,000
RECORD NUMBER WORKING
MANUFACTURING BEST IN 20 YEARS
HISPANIC UNEMPLOYMENT LOWEST EVER
DOW +747

Democrats respond to sunshine with calling Trump a "mother f-----". All of the above distracts from the coup. But imagine parent of troops hearing Trump creating a neocon meltdown talking about getting troop out of Afghanistan and Syria. That was a Christmas present. Too bad it's six months instead of thirty days or yesterday but the orders already went out under Mattis, a good soldier, to get out of Syria. The larger issue is who put those troops in and who has issued orders to get them out.

Holy Whataboutism, Batman! You managed to touch on just about everything to distract/deflect from the fact that Trump's promised troop withdrawal is turning out to be just another lie and that YOU bought it hook, line, and sinker. You'll believe whatever he tells you to believe. He lies to your face and you praise him for it. Pathetic.

NSA John Bolton: Syria troop pullout is "conditional" on ISIS being totally defeated and the security of the Kurds being guaranteed. U.S. troops in Syria may extend well into 2019.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46775308

Remember Oladub, we were told that ALL U.S. troops in Syria would be out within 30 days [[end of January). Do you think that will be a "Promise kept" or a "Promise broken?"

After the president made his announcement on 19 December, US officials said American forces had been given 30 days to leave Syria.In his announcement, Mr Trump had also declared that IS had been "defeated".
However, speaking on Sunday before leaving for his Camp David retreat, he told reporters: "We're going to be removing our troops. I never said we were doing it that quickly.
"We're pulling out of Syria... and we won't be finally pulled out until Isis [IS] is gone."

Took him two whole weeks to completely contradict what he said on December 19th. Just like I said, what Trump says yesterday does not match what he says today and what he says today won't match what he says tomorrow. Your problem, Oladub, is that you keep falling for it.

[oladub]

aj, If Kerry/Hillary/Obama hadn't put us into a stupid conflict in Syria, we wouldn't even be having this discussion about how fast Trump can get us out.

In post #2243 you were still criticizing Trump' decision to pull out of Syria, "Mattis is SO loyal to Trump that that must explain why he resigned in protest to Trump's Syrian pullout and why he felt the need to release a public letter in which he essentially says that Trump's actions run contrary to the values that Mattis held dear for 40 years as a Marine". -aj 12/21/18 Two weeks later, you are upset about not getting out fast enough. Mattis and two other Pentagon officials have quit over Trump's announced pullout are taking Trump's decision more seriously than you. Mattis even signed an order to withdraw troops from Syria in December. We will all have to weigh their actions vs. your speculative narrative.

[Maof]

New prime time show on tonight based on scare tactic's and exaggeration...


https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...47305699889157

[Bham1982]

New prime time show on tonight based on scare tactic's and exaggeration...

Count me out. I'd rather do a self-appendectomy than listen to that idiotic blizzard of outrageous lies intended for his Jim Jones base.

[aj3647]

aj, If Kerry/Hillary/Obama hadn't put us into a stupid conflict in Syria, we wouldn't even be having this discussion about how fast Trump can get us out.

In post #2243 you were still criticizing Trump' decision to pull out of Syria, "Mattis is SO loyal to Trump that that must explain why he resigned in protest to Trump's Syrian pullout and why he felt the need to release a public letter in which he essentially says that Trump's actions run contrary to the values that Mattis held dear for 40 years as a Marine". -aj 12/21/18 Two weeks later, you are upset about not getting out fast enough. Mattis and two other Pentagon officials have quit over Trump's announced pullout are taking Trump's decision more seriously than you. Mattis even signed an order to withdraw troops from Syria in December. We will all have to weigh their actions vs. your speculative narrative.

More whataboutism. Which one of them forced Trump to lie about a troop withdrawal, was it Kerry, Hillary, or Obama?

You can't even admit that Trump lied, that's how utterly brainwashed you are. Your pre-programmed response is to bring up Obama and Hillary, like always. You're basically just a twitter bot at this point.

How many troops have come back from Syria so far? 30 days, remember? How many troops?

Also, how was pointing out that Mattis resigned in protest against Trump's actions criticizing the pullout? It does no such thing, it merely disproves whatever horseshit spin you put on the resignation that Mattis resigned out of utter love and loyalty and respect to Trump.

Oh well, maybe those troops will come home tomorrow? Trump promised after all and he never tells a lie...

[aj3647]

New prime time show on tonight based on scare tactic's and exaggeration...


https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...47305699889157

Trump said he talked to some of the former Presidents and they agreed with him that there should be a Wall. All living former Presidents then release statements saying "no, we never talked with him and said no such thing."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/every-l...ting-the-wall/

Someone's lying here, I wonder who it is?

[Maof]

Trump said he talked to some of the former Presidents and they agreed with him that there should be a Wall. All living former Presidents then release statements saying "no, we never talked with him and said no such thing."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/every-l...ting-the-wall/

Someone's lying here, I wonder who it is?

Dufus Donald

And Misleading Mike as well......

https://thinkprogress.org/pence-defe...-f71c1ad56e10/

[Maof]

Looky, looky, he's really pulling out all the stops.

https://www.ispot.tv/ad/IOSr/donald-...order-security

[Jimaz]

Trump said he talked to some of the former Presidents and they agreed with him that there should be a Wall. All living former Presidents then release statements saying "no, we never talked with him and said no such thing."...

We need to let that sink in.

Traditionally, sitting and former presidents have always held a deep mutual respect for their office, requiring they not oppose any other president no matter how frustrating the situation.

In this case Trump first disrespected the others by putting words in their mouth. They then simply spoke the truth.

Unanimously.

Another precedent has been broken.

[oladub]

aj, Trump didn't get the troops out in 30 days but all hell broke loose when he announced they were coming out. At least three high placed officials quit and Mattis gave orders to start getting them out. "Allies" who have no troops in Syria questioned the future of NATO if U.S. troops didn't continue taking bullets for them. Neocons were upset. The larger point is that, under Obama, we got into that mess. Under Trump, they will be coming home. Spin all you want. Call Trump a liar for not getting them out "in thirty days" if you want. Mattis gave orders for our Syrian troops to prepare to come home.

Q. "how was pointing out that Mattis resigned in protest against Trump's actions criticizing the pullout?" Reread the last two sentences in my previous post. I was weighing Mattis' actions with your posturing.

[Jimaz]

Bernie Sanders delivers response to Trump's immigration address

[Maof]

Bernie Sanders delivers response to Trump's immigration address

This is something dotard doesn't comprehend.

[Maof]

Count me out. I'd rather do a self-appendectomy than listen to that idiotic blizzard of outrageous lies intended for his Jim Jones base.

And I watched an all new season of Schitt's Creek

But, in case you want to catch a snippet...

https://twitter.com/JeffreyGuterman/...79338256089088

[Richard]

You guys would make Ayn Rand proud turning fiction into reality.

[Jimaz]

It's Time for the President to Grow Up

I hate to tell you, Bernie, but Trump is 72. This is as grown up as he's going to get.

[Richard]

Bernie Sanders delivers response to Trump's immigration address

Nice scare tactic try,most of those programs are state run and are funded months in advance or yearly,you can tell he was Cortez’s mentor,they both use the same tactics.

He makes it sound like the states get a weekly check from the feds for services reimbursement.

The “underprivileged and homeless” have been suffering for decades and they did nothing about it,and now a shutdown is going to make the homeless,homeless again?

States receive funding for services in a once a year budget that does not collapse in a month.

People can pick up their own trash at federal parks,they brought it with them,they can take it back home with them.

[aj3647]

aj, Trump didn't get the troops out in 30 days but all hell broke loose when he announced they were coming out. At least three high placed officials quit and Mattis gave orders to start getting them out. "Allies" who have no troops in Syria questioned the future of NATO if U.S. troops didn't continue taking bullets for them. Neocons were upset. The larger point is that, under Obama, we got into that mess. Under Trump, they will be coming home. Spin all you want. Call Trump a liar for not getting them out "in thirty days" if you want. Mattis gave orders for our Syrian troops to prepare to come home.

Mattis is long gone, and John Bolton just said that U.S. troops are staying until "ISIS is totally defeated."

Troops home yet, Oladub? No? Maybe tomorrow. Or the day after or the day after. It'll always be just around the corner, just like when Trump said he'd build a 40-ft tall concrete wall and Mexico would pay for it. It's always just around the corner! Just have faith, a little while longer and it's totally going to come true! Meanwhile, all U.S. troops in Syria that were there yesterday are there today and will be there tomorrow. Praise be to Trump!

[pjbear05]

Drumpf, don't waste my time running yer piehole until you separate this wall issue from putting 800,00+ feds out of work.

[Richard]

Count me out. I'd rather do a self-appendectomy than listen to that idiotic blizzard of outrageous lies intended for his Jim Jones base.

I would pay to see you do that,but odds are it was just put in there for dramatics verses somebody actually doing what they say,kinda like your loving president does.

[Jimaz]

Paul Manafort’s Lawyers Tried—and Failed—to Redact This Sensitive Legal Filing

When lawyers for Paul Manafort filed documents on Monday responding to special counsel Robert Mueller’s allegations that President Donald Trump’s former campaign chairman had repeatedly lied to federal investigators, they did so under seal, with Manafort’s defense team signaling that redacted versions would soon be made available to the public.

But that first public offering—which, as promised, included several blacked-out paragraphs—appears to have been extraordinarily botched, as keen media observers quickly noticed that Manafort’s defense team had failed to properly redact sensitive paragraphs they had intended to remain out of the public eye. Among other details, they revealed that Mueller has accused Manafort of lying about sharing polling data with Konstantin Kilimnik, a former employee of Manafort’s in Ukraine with alleged ties to Russian intelligence, as well as efforts by a “third-party asking permission to use Mr. Manafort’s name as an introduction” to Trump.

When Paul Manafort's lawyers submitted their latest pleading in federal court, they *tried* to redact some portions. They failed. You can copy the text right from underneath the black boxes. *facepalm*

Below are the paragraphs that were intended for redaction:

1. [[See, e.g., Doc. 460 at 5 [[After being shown documents, Mr. Manafort “conceded” that he discussed or may have discussed a Ukraine peace plan with Mr. Kilimnik on more than one occasion); id. at 6 [[After being told that Mr. Kilimnik had traveled to Madrid on the same day that Mr. Manafort was in Madrid, Mr. Manafort “acknowledged” that he and Mr. Kilimnik met while they were both in Madrid)).
2. In fact, during a proffer meeting held with the Special Counsel on September 11, 2018, Mr. Manafort explained to the Government attorneys and investigators that he would have given the Ukrainian peace plan more thought, had the issue not been raised during the period he was engaged with work related to the presidential Case 1:17-cr-00201-ABJ Document 471 Filed 01/08/19 Page 5 of 10 6 campaign. Issues and communications related to Ukrainian political events simply were not at the forefront of Mr. Manafort’s mind during the period at issue and it is not surprising at all that Mr. Manafort was unable to recall specific details prior to having his recollection refreshed. The same is true with regard to the Government’s allegation that Mr. Manafort lied about sharing polling data with Mr. Kilimnik related to the 2016 presidential campaign. [[See Doc. 460 at 6).
3. The first alleged misstatement identified in the Special Counsel’s submission [[regarding a text exchange on May 26, 2018) related to a text message from a third-party asking permission to use Mr. Manafort’s name as an introduction in the event the third-party met the President. This does not constitute outreach by Mr. Manafort to the President. The second example identified by the Special Counsel is hearsay purportedly offered by an undisclosed third party and the defense has not been provided with the statement [[or any witness statements that form the basis for alleging intentional falsehoods).
4. The first alleged misstatement identified in the Special Counsel’s submission [[regarding a text exchange on May 26, 2018) related to a text message from a third-party asking permission to use Mr. Manafort’s name as an introduction in the event the third-party met the President. This does not constitute outreach by Mr. Manafort to the President. The second example identified by the Special Counsel is hearsay purportedly offered by an undisclosed third party and the defense has not been provided with the statement [[or any witness statements that form the basis for alleging intentional falsehoods).
5. The Government has indicated that Mr. Manafort’s statements about this payment are inconsistent with those of others, but the defense has not received any witness statements to support this contention.

[Richard]

Lots of allegations and indications in there but yet no smoking gun on the original allegation that the President directly colluded with the Russians in order to win the election.

The allegations of sharing polling data is questionable sense up until the eve of the election all the polling data provided by the experts,was wrong.

Remember all of the data pointed to Hillary winning by a landslide.

Redacted or not,if one was able to see through the redaction then surly the counsel would have been able to view it also,even if they did they apparently could still not find a smoking gun but choose to follow a route of distraction of,get them on anything in order to make it look good to the Libs and satisfy their thirst for blood in order to ease the pain of losing.

Two years plus later we are no further along with the original allegations and with the lead investigator stepping down it would have appear the investigation has run its course.

To bad some could not keep their eye on the ball and had to take anything as a win,now either we will never know or there was actually nothing out of the ordinary to start with.

The Dems are already pushing for the finial report to be published to the public but we are also talking about a large part of the country that thought the presidency was won by popular vote,so the odds of being able to understand the complexity of a investigative report is going to subject to multiple interpretations and proably will be fodder for countless experts on television talk shows for years to come.

[oladub]

Drumpf, don't waste my time running yer piehole until you separate this wall issue from putting 800,00+ feds out of work.

"Drumpf"? That's so clever. There is one issue holding up a budget. Trump wanted $5.7 for border protection; mostly for a wall. Democrats could offer a compromise like half that amount or fences instead of walls. Nancy instead wants to dictate instead of negotiate and compromise. As a minority leader, Chuck Schumer has no role in this. Nancy forgets, she has that problem, that the executive and congressional branches are co-equal branches of government and are expected to cooperate by Americans. Maintaining porous borders must be more important to Nancy, at the inconvenience of Americans, than functioning government. Under one of the Obama government shutdowns, not only were parks closed but barricades were erected at the Arlington National Cemetery keeping veteran groups out.In previous shutdowns, Arlington remained open. Curious, isn't it, that veterans are barricaded but Democrats don't want to fence the border. That seemed sadistic and anti-American. Let's be ready for more of the same. Maybe if creepy Democrats can cause enough pain, Americans will buckle and demand porous borders in return for their government services.

[Bham1982]

That's so clever. There is one issue holding up a budget. Trump wanted $5.7 for border protection

No, he wanted an idiotic wall. He isn't gonna get it.

No reasonable person would claim that someone who opposes E-Verify and has a 40-year history of mass-hiring [[and marrying) illegals cares about "border protection".

[Maof]

bullshitter 'n chief talking in circles

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/10/trum...gn-pledge.html